See post 223.
I made references to Leviticus 18:17, Leviticus 20:17, and Ezekiel 22:11, Romans 8; Galatians 4; Ephesians 1:5, etc.
Ah- thank you.... I did read it and dismissed it on it's face. I'll look now at the references-- I generally skip over copy/paste insertions from others, along with 2 hour-long videos.
Here is why I so quickly dismissed what you were proposing below-- it doesn't apply.
APOLOGY. Many times in Scripture the issues of step-children or illegitimate children are implied to qualify as children of the parent. If not for God, Sara's plan to have Abraham father a child illegitimately would have worked from a certain point of view. Jacob was tricked into marrying Leah when he consented to marry Rachel. This fraud did not invalidate the marriage or the children that came from that fraudulent union. Moses was adopted by Pharaoh. And we can detail the many other times the issue of step-children or illegitimate children are implied to qualify as children of the parent.
Consider this. Scripture says that a man may not have sex with a stepdaughter for that would be incest, even though she is not of his own blood. The passages are Leviticus 18:17, Leviticus 20:17, and Ezekiel 22:11. Those who are saved are adopted by God (Romans 8; Galatians 4; Ephesians 1:5), then it is clear that God treats the adopted children (and one would presume stepchildren if it were possible) the same as the natural son. If God treats us that way, then we ought to treat children who are not our birth-children the same as if they were.
Your examples:
Sara did have Hagar father children through Abraham. The mother was Hagar, an Egyptian. The children were never considered to be Jewish (Hebrew) even though their Father was what we loosely refer to today as Jewish-- direct descendants from the man they call 'our Father Abraham.' Why? Because the Father seeded an Egyptian. Only the line that came from Abraham through Sara were the children of the promise as far as Jews are concerned. These were not adopted children through Hagar-- they were his actual sons--- but the line of David doesn't trace back to any of them. Abraham, Issac, Jacob- and then the 12, and of these 12, only through one son- Judah does David's lineage follow.
Jacob had those 12 sons-- through 4 different women. The one's through handmaidens were every bit as much his sons as the ones through his two wives. The Davidic line comes only through Judah-- one of Leah's sons, the wife he was tricked into marrying. It doesn't affect anything other than history and the future. In other words, from the Jewish perspective it's ALL that matters. A messiah MUST come from that bloodline. Adoptions don't count. Foster parents don't count.
Moses was of the tribe of Levi-- Leah and Jacob's third son. One would think that the holy bloodline would come through Moses-- who was adopted by Pharoah's daughter, became Pharoah's grandson, and saved the people of Israel (the descendants of Jacob, who's name was changed to Israel) from slavery and who acted as God on earth as scripture says and led the people out. But it doesn't. Not through the Levites. Or maybe through the line of Joseph, hundreds of years before Moses-- Joseph who was sold off by his brothers, enslaved, imprisoned and ultimately who saved the people of Israel- the entire family, from starvation and became second only to Pharoah in all of Egypt. Joseph afterall was the firstborn son of Jacob's true love- Rebecca. Surely that would be the favored blood line back to Jacob and those before him all the way back to Adam? No. Maybe through Jacob's firstborn son-- Reuben? Nope.
The bloodline comes through Judah-- the son who hatched the plan sold Joseph for a few pieces of silver, just the way another Judah sold out Jesus himself. The important point is that IT IS a bloodline and nothing else matters. It has to be directly from David and those after him to those before him.
How can you start a thread stressing the importance of the Jewish perspective only to then suggest ignoring it?
Lev 18:17- a law of Moses-- it doesn't apply. The whole chapter is about sexual relations, not patrilineal bloodlines. Interestingly- Moses made a law Lev 18:18 that would have prohibited Jacob from marrying Rebecca.... the line of Judah would have remained.
Lev 20:17- you think this verse applies in any way? Maybe you are not familiar, or you are forgetful of the 'Davidic bloodline).
At that time Judah left his brothers and stayed with an Adullamite man named Hirah. There Judah saw the daughter of a Canaanite man named Shua. Judah acquired her as a wife and slept with her. She became pregnant and had a son. Judah named him Er. She became pregnant again and had another son, whom she named Onan. Then she had yet another son, whom she named Shelah.
Judah acquired a wife for Er his firstborn; her name was Tamar. But Er, Judah’s firstborn, was evil in the LORD’s sight, so the LORD killed him.
Then Judah said to Onan, “Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill the duty of a brother-in-law to her so that you may raise up a descendant for your brother.” But Onan knew that the child would not be considered his. So whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he wasted his emission on the ground so as not to give his brother a descendant. What he did was evil in the LORD’s sight, so the LORD killed him too.
Did you notice that? If Onan sleeps with his brother's wife to continue a bloodline- the child wouldn't even be considered his, it would be considered his brother's son. So Onan sleeps with his dead brother Er's wife -Tamar.... and well, you just read the story above.
Even so, --None of those three sons born to the Canaanite wife of Judah are in the Davidic line. Only the son born to him through his own daughter-in-law, this same Tamar. What>>??? Yes. Tamar the evil son Er's wife, who his brother (Judah's second son) Onan then slept with became the mother of the Davidic bloodline through Judah who slept with her, thinking her to be a temple/cult prostitute.
And all this above is exactly where I would start a conversation with any Jew who tells me how critical it is that Jesus must come from the line of David- of the tribe of Judah.
Can you begin to understand?