What is Revival?

[Episkopos]

Is. 57:15 "For thus says the high and lofty One that inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones."

God dwells in a high and holy place...and He takes the humble and contrite ones to be with Him where He is...in Zion...the high and holy place.
Through abiding in Christ, who is the only Mediator between the Father and humankind, and walking IN Him...we have fellowship with God in the light....and the very resurrection life of Christ keeps us from all unrighteousness.

In Him is no sin. When we abide IN Christ we reflect His light into the world. As He is so are we in this world.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Is. 57:15 "For thus says the high and lofty One that inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones."

God dwells in a high and holy place...and He takes the humble and contrite ones to be with Him where He is...in Zion...the high and holy place.
Through abiding in Christ, who is the only Mediator between the Father and humankind, and walking IN Him...we have fellowship with God in the light....and the very resurrection life of Christ keeps us from all unrighteousness.

In Him is no sin. When we abide IN Christ we reflect His light into the world. As He is so are we in this world.

where is this place?

Where we stand? Or does he bodily take us up like he did paul,

and what is so special about this?

ps. Jesus is not in Zion, He is sitting at the right hand of the father making intercession for us. The new zion will not appear until this earth is taken away and a new one is created.

 

[amigo de christo]

Guess that's it then, no need to test the spirits, no need to correct wrong teachings, and no need to name names--which is not judging the person, but discerning error from truth.............

Chaverim, do not believe every ruach. [YIRMEYAH 29:8] But test the ruchot (spirits), if they be of Hashem, because many nevi'ei sheker have gone out into the Olam Hazeh.
1Jn 4:1 Beloved, every spirit believe not, but prove the spirits, if of God they are, because many false prophets have gone forth to the world;
1Jn 4:2 in this know ye the Spirit of God; every spirit that doth confess Jesus Christ in the flesh having come, of God it is,
1Jn 4:3 and every spirit that doth not confess Jesus Christ in the flesh having come, of God it is not; and this is that of the antichrist, which ye heard that it doth come, and now in the world it is already.
1Jn 4:4 Ye—of God ye are, little children, and ye have overcome them; because greater is He who is in you, than he who is in the world.
1Jn 4:5 They—of the world they are; because of this from the world they speak, and the world doth hear them;
1Jn 4:6 we—of God we are; he who is knowing God doth hear us; he who is not of God, doth not hear us; from this we know the spirit of the truth, and the spirit of the error.
YLT

1) "Beloved, believe not every spirit " (Greek agapetoi) "beloved ones", an affectionate address to all ages of believers. (pisteuete) trust ye-(me) not. (Greek panti pneumati) (just) any or every spirit. John warns that some spirits should not (must not) be trusted. There are "seducing spirits", 1Ti_4:1.

2) "But try the spirits" (Alla) but, strong contrast - (Greek dokimozete) "test ye or prove ye," the spirits. Put the spirits on trial, on examination; Do they speak and cause men to act according to the revealed Word of God? If not they are to be rejected as emissaries, servants, agents of Satan. 1Ti_4:1-3; 2Ti_4:3-4; 2Co_11:13-15.

3) "Whether they are of God": Fallen, deranged, demon spirits - enemies of God, work through men - depraved men, to oppose God and Holiness. Note the maniac of Gadara, Mar_5:1-20; Mar_7:24-30, and deceptive miracle workers. Rev_16:13-14.

4) "Because many false prophets are gone out into the world." 1) Our Lord warned of "false" or lying prophets. Mat_7:15-23; Matthew 2) Paul did, 2Co_11:13-15; Act_20:27-31; Acts 3) Peter did, 2Pe_2:1-3; 2Pe_3:1-7. These false prophets have (Greek ekseleluthasin) "Gone out of their own accord -, or will". They were not (Greek stello) sent or authorized of the Lord.

believe not: Deu_13:1-5; Pro_14:15; Jer_5:31, Jer_29:8-9; Mat_7:15-16, Mat_24:4-5; Rom_16:18; 2Pe_2:1
try: Luk_12:57; Act_17:11; Rom_16:19; 1Co_14:29; 1Th_5:21; Rev_2:2
many: 1Jn_2:18; Mat_24:5, Mat_24:23-26; Mar_13:21; Luk_21:8; Act_20:29; 1Ti_4:1; 2Ti_3:13; 2Pe_2:1; 2Jn_1:7

As you feel uncomfortable informing a brother re his erroneous ways--so I am feeling uncomfortable with you now marks, just a "check" in my spirit and no need to reply.
J.

unfortunately this has long been taught in many churches . taught not to correct , not to JUDGE .
THEN they wonder why on earth the leaven has taken over such places .

 

[marks]

As you feel uncomfortable informing a brother re his erroneous ways--so I am feeling uncomfortable with you now marks, just a "check" in my spirit and no need to reply.

This isn't right.

You are asking me about someone else. Not a particular question, just general, overall, "will you impugn him in a general sense." When I fail to respond to that, you characterize that as though I've not addressed @Episkopos directly, while in fact I have.

So is your complaint that I don't confront Episkopos? Is there anyone involved in these discussions that has not seen my posts to him?

Or is it that I'm not wanting to discuss him with you on the open board?

Regardless, naturally proceed as you are comfortable to do so. Or as you think is right. They may or may not be the same.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

Is. 57:15 "For thus says the high and lofty One that inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones."

God dwells in a high and holy place...and He takes the humble and contrite ones to be with Him where He is...in Zion...the high and holy place.
Through abiding in Christ, who is the only Mediator between the Father and humankind, and walking IN Him...we have fellowship with God in the light....and the very resurrection life of Christ keeps us from all unrighteousness.

In Him is no sin. When we abide IN Christ we reflect His light into the world. As He is so are we in this world.

HIS LIGHT DONT DENY HIS TESTIMONY . rather odd todays light seems to do just that by allowing other religions
to believe a lie .
IF the light that is in you be darkness then great is that darkness .

 

[Episkopos]

where is this place?

Where we stand? Or does he bodily take us up like he did paul,

and what is so special about this?

ps. Jesus is not in Zion, He is sitting at the right hand of the father making intercession for us. The new zion will not appear until this earth is taken away and a new one is created.

Read where Zion (New Jerusalem) comes down from.

All who are born again are born there (Zion, New Jerusalem). All who walk in the Spirit walk there....in eternal reality and in an eternal consciousness. That's where the fellowship of both the Father and the Son are found.

 

[amigo de christo]

The LIGHT of CHRIST wont deny HIS TESTIMONY .
the LIGHT of GOD wont deny HIS TESTIMONY .
Now let us learn HIS TESTIMONY . cause i see a light that seems to be denying HIS TESTIMONY
and though it might preach to do some good works , IT SURE WONT POINT TO FAITH IN CHRIST .
NOW that AINT LIGHT , NOR IS IT TRUTH , NOR IS IT OF THE SPIRIT .
FOr the SPIRIT would testify of CHRIST . exactly . men are getting duped real bad
into this other light . but no marvel for if satan himself can appear as an angel of LIGHT
it is no great thing if his ministirs can claim to be of the light when in truth
its darkness they do follow and the blindly say WE SEE , and therefore their sin remains .
CONVICT the WORLD of SIN because they DO NOT BELIEVE ON ME . THAT Is what the COMFORTER would do .

 

[Johann]

This isn't right.

You are asking me about someone else. Not a particular question, just general, overall, "will you impugn him in a general sense." When I fail to respond to that, you characterize that as though I've not addressed @Episkopos directly, while in fact I have.

So is your complaint that I don't confront Episkopos? Is there anyone involved in these discussions that has not seen my posts to him?

Or is it that I'm not wanting to discuss him with you on the open board?

Regardless, naturally proceed as you are comfortable to do so. Or as you think is right. They may or may not be the same.

Much love!

Like I've said--a check in my spirit and a communication problem, from me.

I'm not asking you to do anything to Epi--but to inform anyone who promulgates a heteros gospel, including myself, where they are in error.

No need to reply marks.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Read where Zion (New Jerusalem) comes down from.

I know where it comes down from. It is a place being prepaired for us today.

Are you telling us that you are bodily taken up to that place? What happens to your body here on earth when that happens?

All who are born again are born there (Zion, New Jerusalem). All who walk in the Spirit walk there....in eternal reality and in an eternal consciousness. That's where the fellowship of both the Father and the Son are found.

All who are born again walk in the spirit here on earth. They do not go to some imaginary place..Where do you come up with this stuff??

 

[Johann]

I know where it comes down from. It is a place being prepaired for us today.

Are you telling us that you are bodily taken up to that place? What happens to your body here on earth when that happens?

All who are born again walk in the spirit here on earth. They do not go to some imaginary place..Where do you come up with this stuff??

Personally, Google this "eternal consciousness nonsense"

The theory of a natural eternal consciousness (NEC) states that human consciousness is not extinguished with death but merely paused. That is, the last conscious moment of one's last experience becomes imperceptibly timeless and deceptively eternal from their perspective.


What does eternal consciousness mean Kierkegaard?
A term that would have greater import in Kierkegaard's later philosophy, eternal consciousness is essentially an awareness of one's selfhood. This term is often used in connection with Platonic recollection.


In his new book, John S. Dunne asks: “So what is eternal consciousness? It is, I take it, consciousness of the eternal in us. If time is ‘a changing image of eternity,’ as Plato says, the changing image of the human being is like The Voyage of Life, four paintings by Thomas Cole, showing childhood, youth, adulthood, and age. The eternal in us is the person going through these phases. It is the vertical dimension of the life, as in the title scene of War and Peace where Prince Andre lay on the battlefield looking up into the peaceful sky, perceiving peace in the midst of war. If the horizontal dimension is time and the vertical dimension is eternity, then eternal consciousness is awareness of the vertical dimension. What is more, the vertical dimension carries through the horizontal, as the person walks through life upright instead of being dragged through in ‘quiet desperation.’ Willingness and hope, accordingly, is willingness to walk through upright with hope in the face of death and darkness.” —from the book

What can I know? What should I do? What may I hope? Dunne explores these questions in his characteristic hermeneutic method, finding the answer in “the words of eternal life” (John 6:68). It is the life of the spirit that is the eternal in us, the inner life of knowing and loving, the life of hope and peace and friendship and intelligence. “If there were no eternal consciousness in a man,” Kierkegaard says, “what then would life be but despair?” John Dunne adds, if there is eternal consciousness in us, on the other hand, there is hope.

To readers of John Dunne’s books, Eternal Consciousness will be the latest installment chronicling his spiritual journey; to readers new to Dunne’s oeuvre, it will be a lively introduction to the distinctive voice and thought of an inspiring author.

Eternal Consciousness

In his new book, John S. Dunne asks: “So what is eternal consciousness? It is, I take it, consciousness of the eternal in us. If time is ‘a changing imag...

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Could be anyone of these philosophers

 

[Johann]

The LIGHT of CHRIST wont deny HIS TESTIMONY .
the LIGHT of GOD wont deny HIS TESTIMONY .
Now let us learn HIS TESTIMONY . cause i see a light that seems to be denying HIS TESTIMONY
and though it might preach to do some good works , IT SURE WONT POINT TO FAITH IN CHRIST .
NOW that AINT LIGHT , NOR IS IT TRUTH , NOR IS IT OF THE SPIRIT .
FOr the SPIRIT would testify of CHRIST . exactly . men are getting duped real bad
into this other light . but no marvel for if satan himself can appear as an angel of LIGHT
it is no great thing if his ministirs can claim to be of the light when in truth
its darkness they do follow and the blindly say WE SEE , and therefore their sin remains .
CONVICT the WORLD of SIN because they DO NOT BELIEVE ON ME . THAT Is what the COMFORTER would do .

Joh 16:8 and having come, He will convict the world concerning sin, and concerning righteousness, and concerning judgment;
Joh 16:9 concerning sin indeed, because they do not believe in me;
Joh 16:10 and concerning righteousness, because unto my Father I go away, and no more do ye behold me;
Joh 16:11 and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world hath been judged.
2) "He will reprove the world," (elegksei ton kosmon peri hamartais) "He will reprove, convict, or reprimand the world," the world as opposed to Christ.
a) "Of sin," (peri hamartais) "Concerning sin," or lawlessness, as when Peter preached on the day of Pentecost, Act_2:36-37; Act_7:51-54; Act_9:5; that all are sinners, condemned, and sin has wages that must be paid by someone, Rom_3:19; Rom_3:23; Rom_6:23; Joh_3:18.

b) "And of righteousness," (kai peri dikaiosunes) "And concerning righteousness," Rom_1:17; Rom_10:1-4; What is and what is not righteous, morally, ethically, or doctrinally; and of righteousness that is found in Jesus alone, in and through Jesus only, Isa_42:21; 2Co_5:21.

c) "And of judgment:" (kai peri kriseos) "And concerning judgment," that is certain, no man can escape, whether saved or unsaved, Heb_9:27-28; 2Co_5:10-11; Rev_20:13. Sin, righteousness, and the judgment to come are the three facts that the Holy Spirit continually witnesses, even as when Paul preached to Felix, Act_24:25.

Because they believe not on me (hoti ou pisteuousin eis eme). Without this conviction by the Paraclete such men actually have a pride of intellectual superiority in refusing to believe on Jesus.
Robertson

Because the prince of this world hath been judged (hoti ho archōn tou kosmou toutou kekritai). Cf. Joh_12:31; Joh_14:31 for the title. Perfect passive indicative of krinō. He stands condemned. The sinful world is in his grip, but he will be cast out (Joh_12:31).

Various opinions and interpretations on the prince of the world hath been judged--

 

[marks]

"I preach a God of encounter, of empowerment"

This describes God, to me. This is how I know that I know God. I've had other encounters with spirit beings. You can tell when you are dealing with a consciousness. But there is One Spirit Being Who has demonstrated His love for me, and His power to transform me. He wouldn't have done so for me if not out of love.

I agree, what was material in the OT is spiritual in the NT (generalization, not entirely so). But we can encounter Him just the same, and receive of His power just the same.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Actually walking in the Spirit is the higher walk. What I think you mean to say is being LED by the Spirit and sowing to the Spirit. The actual walk IN Christ is rare for all the above stated reasons.

I did in fact mean walking in the Spirit. I see being led by the Spirit differently.

In being led by the Spirit, in my experience, this is moment by moment the Holy Spirit informing my choices, turn here, do that. In walking in the Spirit, I find there is really no consciousness of such choosing, only that I turn here, I do that. Little to no self-consciousness.

Being led by the Spirit, there is the distinct possibility that I may not do what He leads me to do. I had a really clear example the other day when I was surprised by a sudden instruction. I didn't do it, and I paid the price. Walking in the Spirit, that sort of thing doesn't happen.

I don't believe that God intends us all for the same experiences in life, but I likewise don't believe we only walk in the Spirit when God specifically causes us to (of course, we don't on our own), I believe God intends for us to walk in the Spirit in our maturity in Christ, that we are to grow in faith so that we consistently walk in the Spirit.

I think the exact experience of walking in the Spirit may differ between us, as God deals with us individually. Personally, I see this "elevated walk" as the result of a gift of faith to do so. As I look to the Bible to define these things.

Much love!

 

[ChristisGod]

I did in fact mean walking in the Spirit. I see being led by the Spirit differently.

In being led by the Spirit, in my experience, this is moment by moment the Holy Spirit informing my choices, turn here, do that. In walking in the Spirit, I find there is really no consciousness of such choosing, only that I turn here, I do that. Little to no self-consciousness.

Being led by the Spirit, there is the distinct possibility that I may not do what He leads me to do. I had a really clear example the other day when I was surprised by a sudden instruction. I didn't do it, and I paid the price. Walking in the Spirit, that sort of thing doesn't happen.

I don't believe that God intends us all for the same experiences in life, but I likewise don't believe we only walk in the Spirit when God specifically causes us to (of course, we don't on our own), I believe God intends for us to walk in the Spirit in our maturity in Christ, that we are to grow in faith so that we consistently walk in the Spirit.

I think the exact experience of walking in the Spirit may differ between us, as God deals with us individually. Personally, I see this "elevated walk" as the result of a gift of faith to do so. As I look to the Bible to define these things.

Much love!

Since walking is the spirit is a command then all believers whether they are babes, teenagers, young men or elders all have the same ability to obey and walk in the spirit. Maturity is not an issue. See below.

Believers have the indwelling Spirit of Christ, the Comforter who proceeds from the Father (John 15:26). The Holy Spirit assists believers in prayer (Jude 1:20) and “intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God” (Romans 8:27). He also leads the believer into righteousness (Galatians 5:16–18) and produces His fruit in those yielded to Him (Galatians 5:22–23). Believers are to submit to the will of God and walk in the Spirit.

A “walk” in the Bible is often a metaphor for practical daily living. The Christian life is a journey, and we are to walk it—we are to make consistent forward progress. The biblical norm for all believers is that they walk in the Spirit: “If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit” (Galatians 5:25, KJV; cf. Romans 8:14). In other words, the Spirit gave us life in the new birth (John 3:6), and we must continue to live, day by day, in the Spirit.

To walk in the Spirit means that we yield to His control, we follow His lead, and we allow Him to exert His influence over us. To walk in the Spirit is the opposite of resisting Him or grieving Him (Ephesians 4:30).

Galatians 5 examines the work of the Holy Spirit in the believer. The context is freedom from the Law of Moses (Galatians 5:1). Those who walk in the Spirit “eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope” (verse 5) and are free from the Law (verse 18). Also, those who walk in the Spirit “will not gratify the desires of the flesh” (verse 16). The flesh—our fallen nature under the power of sin—is in direct conflict with the Spirit (verse 17). When the flesh is in charge, the results are obvious (verses 19–21). But when the Spirit is in control, He produces godly qualities within us, apart from the strictures of the Law (verses 22–23). Believers “have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires” (verse 24), and now we walk in the Spirit (verse 25).

Those who walk in the Spirit are united with Him and are the bearers of the fruit the Spirit produces. Thus, those who walk in the Spirit walk in love—they live in love for God and for their fellow man. Those who walk in the Spirit walk in joy—they exhibit gladness in what God has done, is doing, and will do. Those who walk in the Spirit walk in peace—their lives are not defined by worry or anxiety (Philippians 4:6). Those who walk in the Spirit walk in patience—they are known for having a “long fuse” and do not lose their temper. Those who walk in the Spirit walk in kindness—they show tender concern for the needs of others. Those who walk in the Spirit walk in goodness—their actions reflect virtue and holiness. Those who walk in the Spirit walk in faithfulness—they are steadfast in their trust of God and His Word. Those who walk in the Spirit walk in gentleness—their lives are characterized by humility, grace, and thankfulness to God. Those who walk in the Spirit walk in self-control—they display moderation, constraint, and the ability to say “no” to the flesh.

Those who walk in the Spirit rely on the Holy Spirit to guide them in thought, word, and deed (Romans 6:11–14). They show forth daily, moment-by-moment holiness, just as Jesus did when, “full of the Holy Spirit, [He] left the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness” to be tempted (Luke 4:1).

To walk in the Spirit is to be filled with the Spirit, and some results of the Spirit’s filling are thankfulness, singing, and joy (Ephesians 5:18–20; Colossians 3:16). Those who walk in the Spirit follow the Spirit’s lead. They “let the word of Christ dwell in [them] richly” (Colossians 3:16, ESV), and the Spirit uses the Word of God “for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness” (2 Timothy 3:16). Their whole way of life is lived according to the rule of the gospel, as the Spirit moves them toward obedience. When we walk in the Spirit, we find that the sinful appetites of the flesh have no more dominion over us.gotquestions

hope this helps !!!

 

[marks]

Since walking is the spirit is a command then all believers whether they are babes, teenagers, young men or elders all have the same ability to obey and walk in the spirit. Maturity is not an issue. See below.

I'd ask you, do all who are reborn live as your GotQuestions paste describes? And if not, why not?

Much love!

 

[Johann]

Since walking is the spirit is a command then all believers whether they are babes, teenagers, young men or elders all have the same ability to obey and walk in the spirit. Maturity is not an issue. See below.

Believers have the indwelling Spirit of Christ, the Comforter who proceeds from the Father (John 15:26). The Holy Spirit assists believers in prayer (Jude 1:20) and “intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God” (Romans 8:27). He also leads the believer into righteousness (Galatians 5:16–18) and produces His fruit in those yielded to Him (Galatians 5:22–23). Believers are to submit to the will of God and walk in the Spirit.

A “walk” in the Bible is often a metaphor for practical daily living. The Christian life is a journey, and we are to walk it—we are to make consistent forward progress. The biblical norm for all believers is that they walk in the Spirit: “If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit” (Galatians 5:25, KJV; cf. Romans 8:14). In other words, the Spirit gave us life in the new birth (John 3:6), and we must continue to live, day by day, in the Spirit.

To walk in the Spirit means that we yield to His control, we follow His lead, and we allow Him to exert His influence over us. To walk in the Spirit is the opposite of resisting Him or grieving Him (Ephesians 4:30).

Galatians 5 examines the work of the Holy Spirit in the believer. The context is freedom from the Law of Moses (Galatians 5:1). Those who walk in the Spirit “eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope” (verse 5) and are free from the Law (verse 18). Also, those who walk in the Spirit “will not gratify the desires of the flesh” (verse 16). The flesh—our fallen nature under the power of sin—is in direct conflict with the Spirit (verse 17). When the flesh is in charge, the results are obvious (verses 19–21). But when the Spirit is in control, He produces godly qualities within us, apart from the strictures of the Law (verses 22–23). Believers “have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires” (verse 24), and now we walk in the Spirit (verse 25).

Those who walk in the Spirit are united with Him and are the bearers of the fruit the Spirit produces. Thus, those who walk in the Spirit walk in love—they live in love for God and for their fellow man. Those who walk in the Spirit walk in joy—they exhibit gladness in what God has done, is doing, and will do. Those who walk in the Spirit walk in peace—their lives are not defined by worry or anxiety (Philippians 4:6). Those who walk in the Spirit walk in patience—they are known for having a “long fuse” and do not lose their temper. Those who walk in the Spirit walk in kindness—they show tender concern for the needs of others. Those who walk in the Spirit walk in goodness—their actions reflect virtue and holiness. Those who walk in the Spirit walk in faithfulness—they are steadfast in their trust of God and His Word. Those who walk in the Spirit walk in gentleness—their lives are characterized by humility, grace, and thankfulness to God. Those who walk in the Spirit walk in self-control—they display moderation, constraint, and the ability to say “no” to the flesh.

Those who walk in the Spirit rely on the Holy Spirit to guide them in thought, word, and deed (Romans 6:11–14). They show forth daily, moment-by-moment holiness, just as Jesus did when, “full of the Holy Spirit, [He] left the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness” to be tempted (Luke 4:1).

To walk in the Spirit is to be filled with the Spirit, and some results of the Spirit’s filling are thankfulness, singing, and joy (Ephesians 5:18–20; Colossians 3:16). Those who walk in the Spirit follow the Spirit’s lead. They “let the word of Christ dwell in [them] richly” (Colossians 3:16, ESV), and the Spirit uses the Word of God “for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness” (2 Timothy 3:16). Their whole way of life is lived according to the rule of the gospel, as the Spirit moves them toward obedience. When we walk in the Spirit, we find that the sinful appetites of the flesh have no more dominion over us.gotquestions

hope this helps !!!

What does it mean to walk in the Spirit? | GotQuestions.org

What does it mean to walk in the Spirit? What is walking in the Spirit? How can I let the Holy Spirit guide me in my spiritual walk?

www.gotquestions.org

This site definitely is helpful

 

[ChristisGod]

I'd ask you, do all who are reborn live as your GotQuestions paste describes? And if not, why not?

Much love!

that sentence was from me then I quoted the article. walking by the spirit has nothing to do with maturity since Paul commands believers to walk in the spirit. If a new believer could not walk in the spirit then he wouldn't command it and would of put conditions on a persons maturity in Christ.

 

[Johann]

I'd ask you, do all who are reborn live as your GotQuestions paste describes? And if not, why not?

Well, I find GotQuestions helpful--so no need to be harsh on @Christophany as he is also trying to help others--your experience and mine is not the same.

 

[marks]

they display moderation, constraint, and the ability to say “no” to the flesh.

As I understand what it means to walk in the Spirit, this is no fight against the flesh, only the doing of good works, thinking good thoughts, feeling appropriate emotions. When I am walking in the Spirit, I don't really have a consciousness of evil lusts of the flesh, only knowing what the Spirit is doing in / through me.

And please make allowance for me . . . It's a difficult thing for me to discuss accurately. I'm being as careful as I can be, and hope to not be misunderstood.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Well, I find GotQuestions helpful--so no need to be harsh on @Christophany as he is also trying to help others--your experience and mine is not the same.

I'm not trying to be harsh, only clear. I'm sorry if it's sounding differently.

Much love!