How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[Episkopos]

“stop the putting forth of the finger and speaking vanity”

There is no way to stop the putting forth of the finger and speaking vanity…unless our own images is put off, cast away, removed… to me I do not see how it is possible to stop the putting forth of the finger and speaking vanity as long as we keep even a speck of our own image. But that is just me, that is how I read it. I’m very familiar with it too because it is in me. To finger point and speak vanity. A jab jab jab of my finger in others direction “look see” “look see” …will I ever be free from “let me tell you how to do it. I know best.” Oh my micro managing and worries and anxiety over “no it has to be done my way.” I wish some one would help me by saying “go rest”. Some one did…our granddaughter. “Mimi, you need to go take a rest”!

Many point the finger and speak vanity...saying...look to the cross. These try to take away the conviction of the Spirit by trying to redirect their own sinful behaviour onto Jesus. These want to keep Jesus on the cross to be their personal clean-up person.

Paul gloried in the cross..not as an excuse for sin...but because he was crucified on it WITH Christ...not Christ instead of him.

In spiritual infants one can understand the comfort of someone dying in your place. But at what point does scape-goating Jesus become just an evil scheme to preserve the flesh?

 

[Episkopos]

Blessings John. "The free sample of initial grace" There is that word "sample" "Sample" is what you give of your music in hopes it will sell.

Exactly. Or like the food samples in a supermarket. "Taste and see that the Lord is good."

The Holy Spirit is not a "sample".

What we are given is a "portion"...not a fulness. Do some research...study...look up the word "aravon." The initial grace is a sample...an "earnest of the Spirit". A downpayment until the proper conditions are met.

"Behold I stand at the door and knock, if anyone hears My voice and opens the door I will come into him and sup with him" "An everlasting fruit that is pleasing to God" Do you really think your fruit is pleasing to The Lord?

Only God decides what is pleasing to Him and what is detestable to Him.

Have you heard of the parable of the good figs and bad figs?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Exactly. Or like the food samples in a supermarket. "Taste and see that the Lord is good."


What we are given is a "portion"...not a fulness. Do some research...study...look up the word "aravon." The initial grace is a sample...an "earnest of the Spirit. A downpayment until the proper conditions are met.

God does not give us a portion.

He gives him completely in our hearts as a pledge until the day of redemption. Not until the conditions are met.

Stop teaching a self righteous works based salvation..

Only God decides what is pleasing to Him and what is detestable to Him.

Have you hears of the parable of the good figs and bad figs?

He already did decide. If we STUMBLE in even one sin we are guilty of all.

he said if we know to do good and do not do it. we are guilty of sin.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

“stop the putting forth of the finger and speaking vanity”

There is no way to stop the putting forth of the finger and speaking vanity…unless our own images is put off, cast away, removed… to me I do not see how it is possible to stop the putting forth of the finger and speaking vanity as long as we keep even a speck of our own image. But that is just me, that is how I read it. I’m very familiar with it too because it is in me. To finger point and speak vanity. A jab jab jab of my finger in others direction “look see” “look see” …will I ever be free from “let me tell you how to do it. I know best.” Oh my micro managing and worries and anxiety over “no it has to be done my way.” I wish some one would help me by saying “go rest”. Some one did…our granddaughter. “Mimi, you need to go take a rest”!

Jesus said come to me all who labor. and he will give us rest.

Paul said in Romans 5 that we have peace with God. because we have been justified by faith..

its not how good we are. it is how good he was

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Many point the finger and speak vanity...saying...look to the cross. These try to take away the conviction of the Spirit by trying to redirect their own sinful behaviour onto Jesus. These want to keep Jesus on the cross to be their personal clean-up person.

Paul gloried in the cross..not as an excuse for sin...but because he was crucified on it WITH Christ...not Christ instead of him.

In spiritual infants one can understand the comfort of someone dying in your place. But at what point does scape-goating Jesus become just an evil scheme to preserve the flesh?

Jesus died once. He is not still on the cross

Romans 5:
5 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3 And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance; 4 and perseverance, character; and character, hope. 5 Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

1. We have peace with God because we have been justified
2. We also have access to God and come boldly to the throneroom
3. Hope does not dissapoint, because of the HS which was given to us (not a partial giving)

6 For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. 10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. 11 And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.

4. Christ died while we were sinners
5. We were justified BY HIS BLOOD
6. We are because of this, SPARED FROM WRATH
We were reconciled WHILE ENEMIES.. hence we will be SAVED by HIS LIFE

If you would pay attention to ethe bible you hate, you would realise the error in your ways.

 

[ChristisGod]

Jesus died once. He is not still on the cross

Romans 5:
5 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3 And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance; 4 and perseverance, character; and character, hope. 5 Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

1. We have peace with God because we have been justified
2. We also have access to God and come boldly to the throneroom
3. Hope does not dissapoint, because of the HS which was given to us (not a partial giving)

6 For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. 10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. 11 And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.

4. Christ died while we were sinners
5. We were justified BY HIS BLOOD
6. We are because of this, SPARED FROM WRATH
We were reconciled WHILE ENEMIES.. hence we will be SAVED by HIS LIFE

If you would pay attention to ethe bible you hate, you would realise the error in your ways.

Amen He has Risen bodily which the person also denies. He is no longer on a cross dead, He is alive forever. His life is our hope, not His death which only made atonement for our sins possible. His death did not give life, His Resurrection is the power over death, sin and satan. Many conflate them.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Amen He has Risen bodily which the person also denies. He is no longer on a cross dead, He is alive forever. His life is our hope, not His death which only made atonement for our sins possible. His death did not give life, His Resurrection is the power over death, sin and satan. Many conflate them.

his issue is he denies that we can be forgiven of all sin for all time through the blood of Jesus.

Hence he rejects not only the purpose of the cross. But what it did..

 

[GTW27]

Exactly. Or like the food samples in a supermarket. "Taste and see that the Lord is good."


What we are given is a "portion"...not a fulness. Do some research...study...look up the word "aravon." The initial grace is a sample...an "earnest of the Spirit". A downpayment until the proper conditions are met.

Only God decides what is pleasing to Him and what is detestable to Him.

Have you heard of the parable of the good figs and bad figs?

Teach me O man, that I may be taught by man. Tell me the parable of the good figs and the bad figs.

 

[Episkopos]

Is. 51:11 "Therefore the redeemed of the Lord shall return, and come with singing unto Zion; and everlasting joy shall be upon their head: they shall obtain gladness and joy; and sorrow and mourning shall flee away."

In the above verse we see that the redeemed of the Lord repent (yeshouvoun) to be permitted into Zion. This is the spiritual translation to Mt. Zion that is spoken of in the book of Hebrews.

What is the everlasting joy ON their head? This is the covering eternal righteousness of God that empowers the inner man to walk in the joy of resurrection life!

How many in the modern church will heed the advice of Jesus and repent?

Very few if any.

Why does God show mercy to rich, spoiled Westerners...when there are so many poor and afflicted ones in the world?

Well, in a great house there are vessels both of honour AND of dishonour.

Do we want to escape the wrath to come on the sons of disobedience? .....or should we stay smug and protect our initial sample (talent) at all cost? Should we love our own lives to that extent...unto death????

 

[ChristisGod]

Exactly. Or like the food samples in a supermarket. "Taste and see that the Lord is good."


What we are given is a "portion"...not a fulness. Do some research...study...look up the word "aravon." The initial grace is a sample...an "earnest of the Spirit". A downpayment until the proper conditions are met.

Only God decides what is pleasing to Him and what is detestable to Him.

Have you heard of the parable of the good figs and bad figs?

Wow your god is like food to be sampled , yikes

 

[ChristisGod]

Is. 51:11 "Therefore the redeemed of the Lord shall return, and come with singing unto Zion; and everlasting joy shall be upon their head: they shall obtain gladness and joy; and sorrow and mourning shall flee away."

In the above verse we see that the redeemed of the Lord repent (yeshouroun) to be permitted into Zion. This is the spiritual translation to Mt. Zion that is spoken of in the book of Hebrews.

What is the everlasting joy ON their head? This is the covering eternal righteousness of God that empowers the inner man to walk in the joy of resurrection life!

How many in the modern church will heed the advice of Jesus and repent?

Very few if any.

Why does God show mercy to rich, spoiled Westerners...when there are so many poor and afflicted ones in the world?

Well, in a great house are vessels both of honour AND of dishonour.

Do we want to escape the wrath to come on the sons of disobedience?

More Zionism nonsense

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Is. 51:11 "Therefore the redeemed of the Lord shall return, and come with singing unto Zion; and everlasting joy shall be upon their head: they shall obtain gladness and joy; and sorrow and mourning shall flee away."

In the above verse we see that the redeemed of the Lord repent (yeshouvoun) to be permitted into Zion. This is the spiritual translation to Mt. Zion that is spoken of in the book of Hebrews.

What is the everlasting joy ON their head? This is the covering eternal righteousness of God that empowers the inner man to walk in the joy of resurrection life!

How many in the modern church will heed the advice of Jesus and repent?

Very few if any.

Why does God show mercy to rich, spoiled Westerners...when there are so many poor and afflicted ones in the world?

Well, in a great house there are vessels both of honour AND of dishonour.

Do we want to escape the wrath to come on the sons of disobedience? .....or should we stay smug and protect our initial sample (talent) at all cost? Should we love our own lives to that extent...unto death????

NO one comes to faith unless they repent.

It does not appear you have repented yet. SInce you do not think the cross applies to your sins.. and reject his gospel.

 

[GTW27]

A writing from 2001:

When a man comes to you in his own name, you except him into your house. He comes to you with many words and all understanding of all things. He comes to you with a doctrine disguised as The Truth and you praise him. His words are sweet to your lips and music to your ears. He stays up all hours of the night devising ways of proving his doctrine.

When a man comes to you in The Lord's Name His words are but folly to you. Of an alien tongue he brings you The Truth, but like the others before him, you know him not, For as it is written:

You shall indeed hear but never understand,
and you shall indeed see but not perceive.
For this people's heart has grown dull, and
their eyes are heavy of hearing and their eyes
they have closed, lest they should perceive
with their eyes, and hear with their ears,
and understand with their heart, and turn for
Me to heal them.

 

[amigo de christo]

Is John/Epi a "neighbor" Jim--and what does Scriptures say about false brethren? What are we TO DO with them?

And did peter not also warn that just like there were false prophets among the peoples
SO TOO will there be false teachers among YOU .
OL jim dont realize that just like in the days of old many prophets were false and taught the people lies
SO TOO this can occur amongst even christendom . NOT only can it , PETER WARNED IT WOULD .
Bringing in damanable heresays .
As far as what are we to do with them . LETS take a peek at HOW GOD himself
views those who do even ALLOW them to teach and to seduce the people .
I have THIS against you , YOU ALLOW , ALLOW , ALLOW that false prophetess to teach and to SEDUCE my people .
Not on my watch . Any one false and any false teaching is gonna get exposed .
JESUS said feed my sheep . He didnt say FEED THEM POISON and lies of men . FEED THEM TRUTH .
I know sometimes my big words scare some folks . But , well i do it often to make a point .
YE ALLOW . let us ponder on those two words for a bit .
HE didnt say YE TEACH MY PEOPLE lies
HE said YE ALLOW one TO DO SO . Yet jim thinks me the monster .

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Jesus died once. He is not still on the cross

But many (like yourself) teach that we continue to sin, thus crucifying afresh the Son of God with your new sins day by day…

“If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.” (Hebrews 6:6)

 

[amigo de christo]

No God will punish the false teachers. Vengeance is from the Lord not from us,

GOD will judge him . GOD does judge those without . THEREFORE cast the man out of the church .
I think a lot of folks have forgotten the power of correction . Of correction that can lead to repentance .

 

[Jim B]

oh , i see . if one dont have a resonse the deal is say , OH you still following flesh and blood .
Would you like to now try and bring some scriptures to PROVE me wrong .
You just got proved dead wrong by the very scrips you tried to bring to prove me wrong .
Then i exposed it and your response is only ............still flesh and blood .
IS this what debating has come too . Oh wait , i see this all the time so i should not be acting suprised .

What does this mean -- in English?

 

[Jim B]

Bring scrips to prove me wrong .
IS this what debating has come too . one brings truth the other says stop being lazy .
those tactics , jim they dont work on lambs . Try something a lil better
instead of bring that , try bringing scriptures . oh wait , you cant . better stick to insults .

LOL!!! This is totally absurd. Where is the Scripture in your posts (including this one)? See your posts #2045, #2048, #2049, #2052, #2055, #2057, #2058, #2137, #2139, #2146, #2147, #2149 for example. No Scripture quoted by you in any of them! Many others also.

 

[Johann]

And did peter not also warn that just like there were false prophets among the peoples
SO TOO will there be false teachers among YOU .
OL jim dont realize that just like in the days of old many prophets were false and taught the people lies
SO TOO this can occur amongst even christendom . NOT only can it , PETER WARNED IT WOULD .
Bringing in damanable heresays .
As far as what are we to do with them . LETS take a peek at HOW GOD himself
views those who do even ALLOW them to teach and to seduce the people .
I have THIS against you , YOU ALLOW , ALLOW , ALLOW that false prophetess to teach and to SEDUCE my people .
Not on my watch . Any one false and any false teaching is gonna get exposed .
JESUS said feed my sheep . He didnt say FEED THEM POISON and lies of men . FEED THEM TRUTH .
I know sometimes my big words scare some folks . But , well i do it often to make a point .
YE ALLOW . let us ponder on those two words for a bit .
HE didnt say YE TEACH MY PEOPLE lies
HE said YE ALLOW one TO DO SO . Yet jim thinks me the monster .

Just keep on doing what you doing my dear friend, point others to Christ Jesus and time has been shortened.

Correct and sound doctrine is crucial to salvation and growth in spiritual maturity. It comes as no surprise that God warns us many times in Scripture to be aware of false teaching. Christians need to be able to recognize false teachers in order to know when they are being led down a path that God did not intend!

What does the Bible say about False Prophets?

God speaks harshly against false prophets, occult practices, and other means of sorcery. God describes a false prophet as one who “presumes to speak in My name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods” (Deuteronomy 18:20). In Jeremiah 14:14, God says these evildoers prophesy lies, offering “false visions, divinations, idolatries, and the delusions of their own minds.”


20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death.”

Ezekiel 13:9
9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign LORD.

Jeremiah 14:14
14 Then the LORD said to me, “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.

Jeremiah 23:16
16 This is what the LORD Almighty says: “Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD.

Luke 6:26
26 Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.

Matthew 24:24
24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

Matthew 16:11-12
11 How is it you don’t understand that I was not talking to you about bread? But be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.”
12 Then they understood that he was not telling them to guard against the yeast used in bread, but against the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.

2 Timothy 4:3-4

3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

Acts 20:28-30
28 Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.

29 I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.
30 Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them.

Keep on rebuking, correcting and reproving, in love, for we all need correction.
J.

 

[amigo de christo]

LOL!!! This is totally absurd. Where is the Scripture in your posts (including this one)? See your posts #2045, #2048, #2049, #2052, #2055, #2057, #2058, #2137, #2139, #2146, #2147, #2149 for example. No Scripture quoted by you in any of them! Many others also.

You say that a lot .
so let me bring you some words , words that you do not recognize as scripture .
YE shall not hate your nieghbor in your heart , you shall in any way rebuke , correct them and not allow sin upon them .
Many times i have brought you scrips , the problem is , YOU cannot recognize them . Someone aint been in their bible JIM .
LEARN IT WELL jim .