Circumcision Without Hands

[Johann]

We are saved to serve, yet we are not servants but "Sons&Daughters" in Christ.

No more servants?

Rom_1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

Rom_14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Rom_16:1 I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:

Rom_16:27 To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen. Written to the Romans from Corinthus, and sent by Phebe servant of the church at Cenchrea.

1Co_7:21 Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather.

1Co_7:22 For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant.

1Co_9:19 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.

Gal_1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

Gal_4:1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;

Gal_4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

Php_2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Col_4:12 Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God.

2Ti_2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

Tit_1:1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

Phm_1:16 Not now as a servant, but above a servant, a brother beloved, specially to me, but how much more unto thee, both in the flesh, and in the Lord?

Phm_1:25 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen. Written from Rome to Philemon, by Onesimus a servant.

Heb_3:5 And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after;

Jas_1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

2Pe_1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

Jud_1:1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

Rev_1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev_15:3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

How many do you count? If you don't see yourself as a servant/doulos-I do
Johann

 

[Behold]

You should share your posts a whole lot more! God didn't eradicate the sin-nature-do you have a scripture reference to that?
Johann.

"The old man of sin is crucified with Christ"

Crucified = DEAD

This is why Paul told you to "reckon it dead"..

:"""Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him:"

""" For he that is dead is freed from sin."""

""" Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.""""

 

[Behold]

No more servants?

Born again..."Sons and Daughter" who serve.

"Heirs of God" who serve

"Joint heirs with Jesus" who serve

"Temple of the Holy Spirit" who serve

"AS Christ IS.... so are the born again on this Earth"..... who serve.

"SAINTS" ... who serve


So, no, we are not just Servants.

 

[Johann]

Born again..."Sons and Daughter" who serve.

"Heirs of God" who serve

"Joint heirs with Jesus" who serve

"Temple of the Holy Spirit" who serve

"AS Christ IS.... so are the born again on this Earth"..... who serve.

"SAINTS". who serve


So, no, we are not just Servants.

I concur here
Johann.

 

[Johann]

Born again..."Sons and Daughter" who serve.

"Heirs of God" who serve

"Joint heirs with Jesus" who serve

"Temple of the Holy Spirit" who serve

"AS Christ IS.... so are the born again on this Earth"..... who serve.

"SAINTS" ... who serve


So, no, we are not just Servants.

Ye serve the Lord Christ (to Kuriōi Christōi douleuete). As his slaves and gladly so. Perhaps better as imperatives, keep on serving.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I told you I was in a ministry in the Ark in Durban-where God's word was put into daily practice-Matthew 25-to me this is more important and a testimony than sophistry and rhetoric's-but I can say this-I have never seen a deviation from the truth found in Scriptures such as on this Forum.
Everyone-or rather, the majority wants to be teachers and expounders on the doctrines of Christ Jesus-and no one is in need of correction.
Same with you, from the little that I have read re your posts, I simply cannot agree with you.
Last time I've checked the just shall live by faith-not hearing "voices" sister.
But-I must admit, today's "Churches" are becoming more and more dangerous, that is just my opinion.
I sincerely hope your books are not the same as EGW.

To sum it up, tie the knots-read through James-a real eye opener, Matt 25.

To me, it is not what you SAY you believe, it is what you DO that will convince me you are a blood bought, born again sister in Christ.
Hence my pathos for the directives found in Scripture in the sphere of the Ruach, hence my copious "copy and pasting" since I proof read EVERYTHING I post-for the doxa of Jesus-not Johann, his pride, his ego and always open to correction.

Have a blessed day sister.
Johann.

I just got up from reading all 41 printed pages of your posts. You are right, you don't hold to what I teach. In fact, you don't hold to the gospel of Christ! Nor to the New Covenant! Many of your posts on sin is Old Covenant Scriptures. BTW John the Baptist was also Old Testament.

 

[Behold]

Ye serve the Lord Christ (to Kuriōi Christōi douleuete). As his slaves and gladly so. Perhaps better as imperatives, keep on serving.

But not to be saved or to stay saved.

Doing works, is just doing works, no matter how we try to make it sound "spiritual".

We can give our bodies to be burned for Jesus, and so can an unbeliever who BELIEVES that doing that is serving God.

We are saved by Grace.....through faith. Grace is Jesus on the Cross, the Blood Atonement, given freely as our Redemption.
This is "the GIFT of Salvation".
We can provide no works for that....which means that not doing works after we are redeemed, has no effect on our Salvation.

Randy Kluth teaches that we come to God having decided to be committed to do good works, and then God will save us, if we offer that agreement, first.
He calls this a "contract".
Paul calls that "anathema.

Galatians 1:8

 

[Johann]

I just got up from reading all 41 printed pages of your posts. You are right, you don't hold to what I teach. In fact, you don't hold to the gospel of Christ! Nor to the New Covenant! Many of your posts on sin is Old Covenant Scriptures. BTW John the Baptist was also Old Testament.

I don't hold to the gospel of Christ?' Nor the New Covenant?
And most of my quotations on sin is OT?
This is a new one to me-here, let me explain-when I joined this Forum I was like a bull in a China Shop and quoted reams on Calvin-so yes, it's there, somewhere, but I don't hold to Calvinism anymore.
But I'm not going to explain myself to you.
What I am doing now, is for the glory of Christ Jesus-my Judge.

Do your best to shtel zich (apply yourself), to present yourself to Hashem as one approved, a po'el (workman) without bushah (shame), keeping on a derech yashar the Dvar HaEmes.
But profane chatter bereft of kedushah, avoid, for such will advance that which is frai (irreligious).

You have a blessed day.
Johann.

 

[Johann]

But not to be saved or to stay saved.

Doing works, is just doing works, no matter how we try to make it sound "spiritual".

We can give our bodies to be burned for Jesus, and so can an unbeliever who BELIEVES that doing that is serving God.

We are saved by Grace.....through faith. Grace is Jesus on the Cross, the Blood Atonement, given freely as our Redemption.
This is "the GIFT of Salvation".
We can provide no works for that....which means that not doing works after we are redeemed, has no effect on our Salvation.

Randy Kluth teaches that we come to God having decided to be committed to do good works, and then God will save us, if we offer that agreement, first.
He calls this a "contract".
Paul calls that "anathema.

Galatians 1:8

So you shun the book of James-correct?
Johann.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I don't hold to the gospel of Christ?' Nor the New Covenant?
And most of my quotations on sin is OT?
This is a new one to me-here, let me explain-when I joined this Forum I was like a bull in a China Shop and quoted reams on Calvin-so yes, it's there, somewhere, but I don't hold to Calvinism anymore.
But I'm not going to explain myself to you.
What I am doing now, is for the glory of Christ Jesus-my Judge.

Do your best to shtel zich (apply yourself), to present yourself to Hashem as one approved, a po'el (workman) without bushah (shame), keeping on a derech yashar the Dvar HaEmes.
But profane chatter bereft of kedushah, avoid, for such will advance that which is frai (irreligious).

You have a blessed day.
Johann.

Your post.

John has no patience with professional perfectionists (1Jn_1:8-10), but he has still less with loose-livers like some of the Gnostics who went to all sorts of excesses without shame.

If any man sin (ean tis hamartēi). Third-class condition with ean and second aorist (ingressive) active subjunctive again, “if one commit sin.”

We have (echomen). Present active indicative of echō in the apodosis, a present reality like echomen in 2Co_5:1.

An advocate (paraklēton). See note on Joh_14:16, and Joh_14:26; and note on Joh_15:26; and Joh_16:7 for this word, nowhere else in the N.T. The Holy Spirit is God’s Advocate on earth with men, while Christ is man’s Advocate with the Father (the idea, but not the word, in Rom_8:31-39; Heb_7:25). As dikaios (righteous) Jesus is qualified to plead our case and to enter the Father’s presence (Heb_2:18).
RW
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The Limits of Human Wisdom
…19Wisdom makes the wise man stronger than ten rulers in a city. 20Surely there is no righteous man on earth who does good and never sins. 21Do not pay attention to every word that is spoken, or you may hear your servant cursing you.…
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Romans 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

1 Kings 8:46
When they sin against You--for there is no one who does not sin--and You become angry with them and deliver them to an enemy who takes them as captives to his own land, whether far or near,

2 Chronicles 6:36
When they sin against You--for there is no one who does not sin--and You become angry with them and deliver them to an enemy who takes them as captives to a land far or near,

Job 15:14
What is man, that he should be pure, or one born of woman, that he should be righteous?

Job 33:12
Behold, you are not right in this matter. I will answer you, for God is greater than man.

Psalm 143:2
Do not bring Your servant into judgment, for no one alive is righteous before You.

Proverbs 20:9
Who can say, "I have kept my heart pure; I am cleansed from my sin"?


Treasury of Scripture
For there is not a just man on earth, that does good, and sins not.



1 Kings 8:46
If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near;

2 Chronicles 6:36
If they sin against thee, (for there is no man which sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them over before their enemies, and they carry them away captives unto a land far off or near;

Job 15:14-16
What is man, that he should be clean? and he which is born of a woman, that he should be righteous? …

doeth

Isaiah 64:6
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

If any man sin, we have
The change from the indefinite third person, any man, to the first person, we have, is significant.

By the we have, John assumes the possibility of sinful acts on the part of Christians, and of himself in common with them, and their common need of the intervention of the divine Advocate.

So Augustine: “He said, not 'ye have,' nor 'ye have me,' nor 'ye have Christ himself;' but he put Christ, not himself, and said 'we have,' and not 'ye have.' He preferred to place himself in the number of sinners, so that he might have Christ for his advocate, rather than to put himself as the advocate instead of Christ, and to be found among the proud who are destined to condemnation.”

An advocate (παράκλητον)
See on Joh_14:16.
With the Father (πρὸς τὸν πατέρα)
See on with God, Joh_1:1. An active relation is indicated. On the terms the Father and my Father, see on Joh_4:21.
The righteous
Compare righteous, 1Jn_1:9. There is no article in the Greek. Jesus Christ righteous. See on 1Jn_1:9.
MV

Guess you sit as a judge on the very Scriptures that says otherwise-I am astonished re your confession that you are sinless, in word, thought and deed-

J.

 

[amigo de christo]

So you shun the book of James-correct?
Johann.

Many shun lots of pauls writings too and take his writings out of text .
Paul and james did not contradict each other at all . As i am sure you already know that .
James was right . There is such a thing as dead faith .
And paul knew one could DENY the FAITH . HE said so .
Notice JESUS said HE who hears and DOES dug down deep and built their house on A FOUNDATION .
Those who hear and does not , YEP , got no foundation .
James repeated it
And paul knew it well . as he wrote , DONT YE KNOW to whom YOU yield yourselves servants TO OBEY
His servants you are to WHOM YE OBEY .
And as far as being a doer of the teachings of JESUS .
Paul said this . Those who PROVIDE NOT . a doing action or in this case a NOT DOING action
For his own , specially for those of his own household . HIM DENIED the FAITH and is worse than an infidel .
Yep paul knew hearers but not doers had NO REAL FAITH . IT was dead . He knew it .
And you can bet JAMES KNEW it was FAITH IN JESUS that saved . ITS JUST they knew there is such a thing
as lip service but the heart can be far from him . Hearers but not doers , hearts are far from him .
They do not know Him . Their faith is dead . Many live in and embrace , and no longer even hide their sins .
THEY HONOR SINS , and say loudly , I LOVE JESUS , I LOVE GOD . THEY DONT . who we love is WHO WE OBEY .
Now lift those hands and praise the LORD .
I also notice JESUS CHRIST and the apostels did warn the peoples to CONTINUE IN CHRIST , often they warned .
YET many call these reminders legalism or lack of faith .
BUT JESUS SAID IT , the apostels said it . MY FAITH IS IN THOSE WORDS , and not in the words of men
that try and twist those words to suit their own agenda .

 

[1stCenturyLady]

The sin nature that we inherited from Adam and Eve.

What was the inherited sin from Adam and Eve?

Traditionally, the origin has been ascribed to the sin of the first man, Adam, who disobeyed God in eating the forbidden fruit (of knowledge of good and evil) and, in consequence, transmitted his sin and guilt by heredity to his descendants. The doctrine has its basis in the Bible

When Adam sinned willfully, he gave the dominion that he had over to Satan. You are right that what is cut off from us is the sin nature, leaving us with a nature that partakes of the divine nature of God. Also 1 John 3:8-9 and 1 John 5:18 shows that Satan's influence and ability to touch us is gone. That'll be a shocker for all those who believe they have to fight the devil's temptations all the time, when Jesus already made a way of escape.

 

[Enoch111]

God didn't eradicate the sin-nature-do you have a scripture reference to that?

Certainly. The Bible uses the term "the flesh" for the sin nature. And Paul shows us that the indwelling flesh (within the believer) is at war with the Spirit: This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. (Gal 5:16,17)

 

[Ritajanice]

When Adam sinned willfully, he gave the dominion that he had over to Satan. You are right that what is cut off from us is the sin nature, leaving us with a nature that partakes of the divine nature of God. Also 1 John 3:8-9 and 1 John 5:18 shows that Satan's influence and ability to touch us is gone. That'll be a shocker for all those who believe they have to fight the devil's temptations all the time, when Jesus already made a way of escape.

God is true to his word...the powerful word of God...

Ezekiel 36:26-28

Ezekiel 36:26-28 NLT​

And I will give you a new heart, and I will put a new spirit in you. I will take out your stony, stubborn heart and give you a tender, responsive heart. And I will put my Spirit in you so that you will follow my decrees and be careful to obey my regulations. “And you will live in Israel, the land I gave your ancestors long ago. You will be my people, and I will be your God.

 

[Ritajanice]

Born again..."Sons and Daughter" who serve.

"Heirs of God" who serve

"Joint heirs with Jesus" who serve

"Temple of the Holy Spirit" who serve

"AS Christ IS.... so are the born again on this Earth"..... who serve.

"SAINTS" ... who serve


So, no, we are not just Servants.

AMEN!!!

Praise Jesus all day ,everyday....that we are his true children.....Born Again!......only, by the power of the Holy Spirit.

@Behold ......this is in my mind at the moment.....our spirit has been raised and it’s in Christ...in other words our spirit is Alive in Christ?
Our spirit has been raised, once it was in death, now it’s “Alive” in Christ, through the power of the Holy Spirit.

Romans 6:10-11. The Spirit of God, who raised Jesus from the dead, lives in you. And just as God raised Christ Jesus from the dead, he will give life to your mortal bodies by this same Spirit living within you.

Ephesians 2:1
Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. 4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.

Ephesians 2:1–22​

English Standard Version ​

By Grace Through Faith
2 jAnd you were kdead in the trespasses and sins 2 lin which you once walked, following the course of this world, following mthe prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in nthe sons of disobedience— 3 among whom we all once lived in othe passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body1 and the mind, and pwere by nature qchildren of wrath, like the rest of mankind.2 4 But3God, being rrich in mercy, sbecause of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even twhen we were dead in our trespasses, umade us alive together with Christ—vby grace you have been saved— 6 and raised us up with him and wseated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable xriches of his grace in ykindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For zby grace you have been saved athrough faith. And this is bnot your own doing; cit is the gift of God, 9 dnot a result of works, eso that no one may boast. 10 For fwe are his workmanship, gcreated in Christ Jesus hfor good works, iwhich God prepared beforehand, jthat we should walk in them.







Ephesians 2:19

• Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,
• 1 John 3:2
  Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
  
  
• Galatians 4:6
  And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, 'Abba, Father!'
• Ephesians 1:5
  having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,

Since being led to you by the Lord. all I want to do now.....is ,learn,learn,learn!!......but, only by you, I only need one teacher.....who imo/ belief, is sound in the teaching of the word........it’s the Holy Spirit in you,@Behold .....I can’t get enough of his word.........

What does it mean to live according to the flesh?


In the flesh, we lived for ourselves, and our death would mean passing into condemnation. But Jesus died to change all that. Who we are according to the flesh died with Him, through His atoning death on the cross. Who we are in Christ is born from Him, through His resurrection life.

The flesh is death, it profits nothing.

The Spirit ,is LIFE and FREEDOM in Christ......but, we must be “ Born Again” ....to receive this most PRECIOUS Gift from God!!......the Word of God will NEVER fall to the ground.....the word of man will and is void...

 

[Ritajanice]

When Adam sinned willfully, he gave the dominion that he had over to Satan. You are right that what is cut off from us is the sin nature, leaving us with a nature that partakes of the divine nature of God. Also 1 John 3:8-9 and 1 John 5:18 shows that Satan's influence and ability to touch us is gone. That'll be a shocker for all those who believe they have to fight the devil's temptations all the time, when Jesus already made a way of escape.

This is where the renewing of our minds come into play...when I was a new babe in Christ....as soon as I was birthed in the Spirit..about two months later, he showed me his will in a certain area of my life...in other words he spoke powerfully to my spirit, ...well, let me tell you, my mind was in torment and a battleground for the enemy to attack me....my spirit had accepted what God said, my mind couldn’t and it made me ill,

Cut a very long story short, my mind has caught up with the Spirit, if that makes sense...there is NO doubt that the will of God for my life in that area...WILL BE DONE....NOTHING can thwart the will of God.

When he speaks, that’s it a done deal...his word is in my heart...

This is my testimony and belief..100%....Praise God all day everyday.

 

[Johann]

Certainly. The Bible uses the term "the flesh" for the sin nature. And Paul shows us that the indwelling flesh (within the believer) is at war with the Spirit: This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. (Gal 5:16,17)

Thank you brother-

"walk by the Spirit" A PRESENT ACTIVE IMPERATIVE, Paul urged the Galatians to live a life supernaturally and continuously controlled by the Spirit of God (cf. Eph. 4:1,17; 5:2,15-18). A primary idea in Galatians was that the Spirit is He who brings initial salvation. Thus, this verse meant that which was begun by the Spirit (cf. Gal. 3:3), is also that which is perfected by the Spirit (cf. Rom. 8:16-25). The related term "law of the Spirit," Rom. 8:1 and implied in Gal. 5:18, is exactly the same as the "law of Christ" in 1 Cor. 9:21; Gal. 6:2; and James 1:25; 2:8,12. The law of love serves others as well as self (cf. Phil. 2:1-4).

"and you will not carry out the desires of the flesh" The strongest negation possible in Koine Greek utilizes the DOUBLE NEGATIVE with an AORIST SUBJUNCTIVE, which means "never under any circumstances."

This is found in this verse, followed by a very strong Greek word for "gratify."

The Christian life and eternal salvation are of supernatural origin. Believers are not only called to be saved—but called to Christlikeness (cf. Rom. 8:28-29; Gal. 4:19; Eph. 1:4). The contrast between "flesh" and "spirit" is common in Paul (cf. Rom. 8:1-11). "Flesh" [sarx] is used in two senses by Paul: (1) the physical body; and (2) mankind's fallen, sinful, Adamic nature. Here it is obviously #2.



5:17 This contrast between the two ways of life is also found in Rom. 8:1-11. Paul presented the two supposed ways of being saved:

human effort
God's free grace in Christ
There are then two ways to live a godly life:

human effort (which is affected by the Fall)
God's free power in the Spirit
The Judaizers were asserting human effort in both salvation and the Christian life, but Paul asserted God's supernatural provision in both.
Utley

This really opened my eyes

Transliteration: epithymei
Morphology: V-PIA-3S
Verb - Present Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's no.: G1937 (ἐπιθυμέω)
Meaning: To long for, covet, lust after, set the heart upon.

I notice the desires of the flesh is still ongoing-Present Tense=However, our old man AND flesh- is crucified with christ

Rom_6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Gal_5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Can we discuss this? Without "fighting?"
Johann.

 

[Johann]

Many shun lots of pauls writings too and take his writings out of text .
Paul and james did not contradict each other at all . As i am sure you already know that .
James was right . There is such a thing as dead faith .
And paul knew one could DENY the FAITH . HE said so .
Notice JESUS said HE who hears and DOES dug down deep and built their house on A FOUNDATION .
Those who hear and does not , YEP , got no foundation .
James repeated it
And paul knew it well . as he wrote , DONT YE KNOW to whom YOU yield yourselves servants TO OBEY
His servants you are to WHOM YE OBEY .
And as far as being a doer of the teachings of JESUS .
Paul said this . Those who PROVIDE NOT . a doing action or in this case a NOT DOING action
For his own , specially for those of his own household . HIM DENIED the FAITH and is worse than an infidel .
Yep paul knew hearers but not doers had NO REAL FAITH . IT was dead . He knew it .
And you can bet JAMES KNEW it was FAITH IN JESUS that saved . ITS JUST they knew there is such a thing
as lip service but the heart can be far from him . Hearers but not doers , hearts are far from him .
They do not know Him . Their faith is dead . Many live in and embrace , and no longer even hide their sins .
THEY HONOR SINS , and say loudly , I LOVE JESUS , I LOVE GOD . THEY DONT . who we love is WHO WE OBEY .
Now lift those hands and praise the LORD .
I also notice JESUS CHRIST and the apostels did warn the peoples to CONTINUE IN CHRIST , often they warned .
YET many call these reminders legalism or lack of faith .
BUT JESUS SAID IT , the apostels said it . MY FAITH IS IN THOSE WORDS , and not in the words of men
that try and twist those words to suit their own agenda .

In other words-many have a mere outward profession-for even demons can sprout "Christianeze" but void of what really matters?
I am well aware that James does not contradict Paul brother.
Thanks for yet another powerful post.
Johann.

 

[Behold]

Certainly. The Bible uses the term "the flesh" for the sin nature. And Paul shows us that the indwelling flesh

That's your Theology.

Paul said the "old man of sin is dead, crucified with Christ'.
Its DEAD.
Paul told you to "reckon it dead", and here you are, Enoch111 saying you haVe yours.
And if you are not born again, then you are telling the truth.

So, the "flesh" in the believer, is the 'mind of the Flesh".... and that is your THINKING<>BELIEVING.... that can be a "flesh" issue.

:""""""""3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? """"""

AnD IN THAT WRONG. Mind, you will have a battle with LUST, as the mind of the flesh, is where Lust Exists..

So, when your mind is wrong, then Lust is the FRUIT.
When your MIND is RIGHT, then you are in the "Spiritual" mind, and that is to be this..

"As many as be perfect".

 

[Johann]

Your post.

John has no patience with professional perfectionists (1Jn_1:8-10), but he has still less with loose-livers like some of the Gnostics who went to all sorts of excesses without shame.

If any man sin (ean tis hamartēi). Third-class condition with ean and second aorist (ingressive) active subjunctive again, “if one commit sin.”

We have (echomen). Present active indicative of echō in the apodosis, a present reality like echomen in 2Co_5:1.

An advocate (paraklēton). See note on Joh_14:16, and Joh_14:26; and note on Joh_15:26; and Joh_16:7 for this word, nowhere else in the N.T. The Holy Spirit is God’s Advocate on earth with men, while Christ is man’s Advocate with the Father (the idea, but not the word, in Rom_8:31-39; Heb_7:25). As dikaios (righteous) Jesus is qualified to plead our case and to enter the Father’s presence (Heb_2:18).
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The Limits of Human Wisdom
…19Wisdom makes the wise man stronger than ten rulers in a city. 20Surely there is no righteous man on earth who does good and never sins. 21Do not pay attention to every word that is spoken, or you may hear your servant cursing you.…
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Romans 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

1 Kings 8:46
When they sin against You--for there is no one who does not sin--and You become angry with them and deliver them to an enemy who takes them as captives to his own land, whether far or near,

2 Chronicles 6:36
When they sin against You--for there is no one who does not sin--and You become angry with them and deliver them to an enemy who takes them as captives to a land far or near,

Job 15:14
What is man, that he should be pure, or one born of woman, that he should be righteous?

Job 33:12
Behold, you are not right in this matter. I will answer you, for God is greater than man.

Psalm 143:2
Do not bring Your servant into judgment, for no one alive is righteous before You.

Proverbs 20:9
Who can say, "I have kept my heart pure; I am cleansed from my sin"?


Treasury of Scripture
For there is not a just man on earth, that does good, and sins not.



1 Kings 8:46
If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near;

2 Chronicles 6:36
If they sin against thee, (for there is no man which sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them over before their enemies, and they carry them away captives unto a land far off or near;

Job 15:14-16
What is man, that he should be clean? and he which is born of a woman, that he should be righteous? …

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Isaiah 64:6
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

If any man sin, we have
The change from the indefinite third person, any man, to the first person, we have, is significant.

By the we have, John assumes the possibility of sinful acts on the part of Christians, and of himself in common with them, and their common need of the intervention of the divine Advocate.

So Augustine: “He said, not 'ye have,' nor 'ye have me,' nor 'ye have Christ himself;' but he put Christ, not himself, and said 'we have,' and not 'ye have.' He preferred to place himself in the number of sinners, so that he might have Christ for his advocate, rather than to put himself as the advocate instead of Christ, and to be found among the proud who are destined to condemnation.”

An advocate (παράκλητον)
See on Joh_14:16.
With the Father (πρὸς τὸν πατέρα)
See on with God, Joh_1:1. An active relation is indicated. On the terms the Father and my Father, see on Joh_4:21.
The righteous
Compare righteous, 1Jn_1:9. There is no article in the Greek. Jesus Christ righteous. See on 1Jn_1:9.
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Guess you sit as a judge on the very Scriptures that says otherwise-I am astonished re your confession that you are sinless, in word, thought and deed-

J.

Nothing wrong with this post-it goes against you and your "sinless perfectionism"
Don't come here with a preconceived mindset-attempting to test me-

You don't have a problem with me, but the very Scriptures that continues to remind you that something is wrong-you need to examine yourself and not me.
And don't tell me I don't promulgate the New Covenant the cross and the Christ as if I am an unbeliever.

Reread my post again.
Johann.