Circumcision Without Hands

[1stCenturyLady]

What is cut off of a Christian that can't grow back when we are born again that makes us a new creature?
1. Condemnation
2. The Law
3. The desire to sin
4. Satan's ability to touch us
5. Satan's influence to sin
6. Temptation
7. The need to repent
8. Nothing

 

[Behold]

What is cut off of a Christian that can't grow back when we are born again that makes us a new creature?

Sin nature. The Old man of sin. "Adamic"


And a BORN AGAIN person says.....>"well, if my sin nature is gone, why did i think about sin today".

That is "sin consciousness".....perhaps a demon brought a temptation to you... etc, etc//... And that is not your sin nature....... That is your mind of the flesh........that un-renewed mind.. reacting.
Its the carnal mind.

And That is literally wrong faith, and wrong understanding of what it means to have become a "new Creation in Christ', "made righteous".

Once you renew your mind, then that sin consciousness will be dealt with, as the renewed mind.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Sin nature. The Old man of sin. "Adamic"


And a BORN AGAIN person says.....>"well, if my sin nature is gone, why did i think about sin today".

That is "sin consciousness".....perhaps a demon brought a temptation to you... etc, etc//... And that is not your sin nature....... That is your mind of the flesh........that un-renewed mind.. reacting.
Its the carnal mind.

And That is literally wrong faith, and wrong understanding of what it means to have become a "new Creation in Christ', "made righteous".

Once you renew your mind, then that sin consciousness will be dealt with, as the renewed mind.

Think about the Garden of Eden and why Adam sinned.

 

[Behold]

Think about the Garden of Eden and why Adam sinned.

I prefer to think about the 2nd Adam who resolved it.
He's why im here.

Also. and to segue'.....it could be said that Lucifer is the stupidest of them all, as He had heaven, God, position.

But he's #2, as Adam is the idiot of all time Idiots.
He had no death.
Beautiful wife.
He walked with God.
Supernatural Power.
And God also gave him, the UNIVERSE to enjoy.........all of it. He had the Earth, the SKY, and everything beyond.
He had DOMINION..Total access and total control..and he decided to bow the knee to the Devil and lost everything.
The Devil gained Adam's dominion, and look at what He did to God's beautiful creation, and is still ruining it.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I prefer to think about the 2nd Adam who resolved it.
He's why im here.

Also. and to segue'.....it could be said that Lucifer is the stupidest of them all, as He had heaven, God, position.

But he's #2, as Adam is the idiot of all time Idiots.
He had no death.
Beautiful wife.
He walked with God.
Supernatural Power.
And God also gave him, the UNIVERSE to enjoy.........all of it. He had the Earth, the SKY, and everything beyond.
He had DOMINION..Total access and total control..and he decided to bow the knee to the Devil and lost everything.
The Devil gained Adam's dominion, and look at what He did to God's beautiful creation, and is still ruining it.

I agree. STUPID! It is amazing he found 1/3 of the angels that were just as stupid!

What you said here:
And a BORN AGAIN person says.....>"well, if my sin nature is gone, why did i think about sin today".
That is "sin consciousness".....perhaps a demon brought a temptation to you... etc, etc//... And that is not your sin nature....... That is your mind of the flesh........that un-renewed mind.. reacting.
Its the carnal mind.
And That is literally wrong faith, and wrong understanding of what it means to have become a "new Creation in Christ', "made righteous".
Once you renew your mind, then that sin consciousness will be dealt with, as the renewed mind.

From what I see in the word like 1 John 5:18, the circumcision without hands is both freedom from sin AND Satan's influence, so what you described is someone who is in church but not born again. We don't renew our own mind. We are given the mind of Christ. Many people in the Church are just as you described, but are still in the "drawing" process and may not even have been taught about the Spirit. Calvinists especially are taught the opposite of the gospel and are only taught doctrines of demons to keep them in a demon's hands. So if someone is thinking dirty thoughts, they don't have the mind of Christ.

I reread all the scriptures on renewing our mind, and it is not us doing the renewing, but us being transformed by the renewing of our mind. It is Jesus that is the only Author and Finisher of our Faith. We just cooperate.

Going to do errands.

 

[Behold]

I reread all the scriptures on renewing our mind, and it is not us doing the renewing, but us being transformed by the renewing of our mind.

From what I see in the word like 1 John 5:18, the circumcision without hands is both freedom from sin AND Satan's influence,

Well...

Jesus was free from sin...>He had no sin nature, and Christ was "tempted in all points, just like us"..

Also. "be transformed by the renewing of your mind".

Then Paul says..>"be thus minded"... which is to be in the right mind, which is "as many as be perfect".

Paul tells you to examine yourself so that you are in the right or correct faith.... 2 Corinthians 13:5
So, if you are not, then that means your mind is wrong.....its not renewed if you are not it correct faith.

Here is how you know that the transforming of the mind, is not automatic.

You have believers who have no faith, wrong faith, dead faith, or some faith.
You have believes who do not trust Christ to keep them saved.
So then who does? A.) SELF righteousness

You have believers who believe they must keep the law and commandments, to go to heaven.
That's dead faith.

in other words, there are a lot of believers who have "fallen from Grace" = and that happens in the Mind.........when the mind is not renewed, anymore.

 

[Wynona]

What is cut off of a Christian that can't grow back when we are born again that makes us a new creature?
1. Condemnation
2. The Law
3. The desire to sin
4. Satan's ability to touch us
5. Satan's influence to sin
6. Temptation
7. The need to repent
8. Nothing

The Law. Specifically the Law of Moses.

 

[quietthinker]

Circumcision Without Hands​

9. Fronting up to a circular saw!

 

[quietthinker]

Well...

Jesus was free from sin...>He had no sin nature, and Christ was "tempted in all points, just like us"..

Also. "be transformed by the renewing of your mind".

Then Paul says..>"be thus minded"... which is to be in the right mind, which is "as many as be perfect".

Paul tells you to examine yourself so that you are in the right or correct faith.... 2 Corinthians 13:5
So, if you are not, then that means your mind is wrong.....its not renewed if you are not it correct faith.

Here is how you know that the transforming of the mind, is not automatic.

You have believers who have no faith, wrong faith, dead faith, or some faith.
You have believes who do not trust Christ to keep them saved.
So then who does? A.) SELF righteousness

You have believers who believe they must keep the law and commandments, to go to heaven.
That's dead faith.

in other words, there are a lot of believers who have "fallen from Grace" = and that happens in the Mind.........when the mind is not renewed, anymore.

Ahhh, I see your world is one of what you should and shouldn't believe........that wouldn't be your own law invention would it?

 

[Zachariah]

What is cut off of a Christian that can't grow back when we are born again that makes us a new creature?
1. Condemnation
2. The Law
3. The desire to sin
4. Satan's ability to touch us
5. Satan's influence to sin
6. Temptation
7. The need to repent
8. Nothing

If only it was all so easy. These traits do not come from a few words. If it did the Christian church would be flourishing and not devolving into a state of chaos. Hard inner work is required. Anyone who thinks that saying the salvation prayer instantly brings higher awareness and Truth is delusional and ignorant.

 

[Enoch111]

What is cut off of a Christian that can't grow back when we are born again that makes us a new creature?

We need to take a closer look at the verse which speaks of "circumcision without hands: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: (Col 2:11)

What is "the body of the sins of the flesh" other than "the flesh" itself. And "the flesh" is a metaphor for the indwelling sin nature within every human being -- the tendency and preference to sin rather than be righteous. So this spiritual "circumcision" means THE CUTTING OFF of the power of the sin nature over the child of God. Thus Paul Says "Sin shall NOT have dominion over you".

At the same time God does not eradicate the sin nature, which means that every Christian can sin. Not "will" sin but "can" sin. Therefore we have multiple passages in Scripture warning us against the works of the flesh. and exhorting us to "walk in the Spirit". In other words, no Christian can claim to be sinlessly perfect, but must examine himself or herself daily.

 

[Zachariah]

We need to take a closer look at the verse which speaks of "circumcision without hands: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: (Col 2:11)

What is "the body of the sins of the flesh" other than "the flesh" itself. And "the flesh" is a metaphor for the indwelling sin nature within every human being -- the tendency and preference to sin rather than be righteous. So this spiritual "circumcision" means THE CUTTING OFF of the power of the sin nature over the child of God. Thus Paul Says "Sin shall NOT have dominion over you".

At the same time God does not eradicate the sin nature, which means that every Christian can sin. Not "will" sin but "can" sin. Therefore we have multiple passages in Scripture warning us against the works of the flesh. and exhorting us to "walk in the Spirit". In other words, no Christian can claim to be sinlessly perfect, but must examine himself or herself daily.

The penis to me also can symbolises male pride and ego and is related to our most primal sexual instinct. However i do not agree with physicle circumcision as it is immoral.

 

[Robert Gwin]

What is cut off of a Christian that can't grow back when we are born again that makes us a new creature?
1. Condemnation
2. The Law
3. The desire to sin
4. Satan's ability to touch us
5. Satan's influence to sin
6. Temptation
7. The need to repent
8. Nothing

What does it mean to be born again maam?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Jesus was free from sin...>He had no sin nature, and Christ was "tempted in all points, just like us"..

Look at James 1:14-15. Temptation is not sin. Acting on the desire called conceived is sin. Jesus didn't act on any temptation.

14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.

Also. "be transformed by the renewing of your mind".

That is a statement that our minds are renewed, but Jesus is still the AUTHOR and FINISHER of our faith.

" But we have the mind of Christ."

You have believers who believe they must keep the law and commandments, to go to heaven.
That's dead faith.

in other words, there are a lot of believers who have "fallen from Grace" = and that happens in the Mind.........when the mind is not renewed, anymore.

Behold you are mistaking the "works" of the Old Covenant, and erroneously including the works of righteousness of the New Covenant that a Christian does. Faith without these righteous works is dead and not abiding in Jesus. 1 John 3:23-24. Needing to obey the Judaizers that say a Christian must also do the works of the Old Covenant and following works of circumcision, feast days, and sacrifices is falling from grace. God has excused the keeping of the Sabbath day and meats offered to idols in Romans 14.

1 John 3:23-24
23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.
24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

What does it mean to be born again maam?

The circumcision without hands is part of it, so what is that?

 

[Behold]

Look at James 1:14-15. Temptation is not sin. Acting on the desire called conceived is sin. Jesus didn't act on any temptation.

You stated that the born again could not be tempted to sin.
So, i posted that ""Jesus was Tempted in all points like we are"

That is a statement that our minds are renewed, but Jesus is still the AUTHOR and FINISHER of our faith.

If minds were renewed in the believers, then no believer would being "sinning and confessing" and writing posts about it.

No believer would be writing posts about "losing salvation" if their mind was renewed.

No believer would be writing posts about "keeping commandments and law" to go to heaven

No believer would be preaching John Calvinism on a forum or in a pulpit

No believer would post that Hell and the Devil do not exist.

The reason that Christians post and believe all that junk, is because their mind is not yet renewed.

Behold you are mistaking the "works" of the Old Covenant, and erroneously includingthe works of righteousness

Titus 3:

"""""Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy GOD saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;.""

 

[1stCenturyLady]

You stated that the born again could not be tempted to sin.
So, i posted that ""Jesus was Tempted in all points like we are"

Are you talking about the OP? That was part of multiple choice questions on what does the circumcision without hands cut off.

If minds were renewed in the believers, then no believer would being "sinning and confessing" and writing posts about it.

No believer would be writing posts about "losing salvation" if their mind was renewed.

No believer would be writing posts about "keeping commandments and law" to go to heaven

No believer would be preaching John Calvinism on a forum or in a pulpit

No believer would post that Hell and the Devil do not exist.

The reason that Christians post and believe all that junk, is because their mind is not yet renewed.

The only believers that are sinning and confessing have never truly repented in order to receive the power of the gospel, the Holy Spirit.

It is hard to lose your salvation, but the New Testament speaks of it. Calvinists call the punishment lack of rewards, but it is not being able to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

The Commandments we keep are the commandments of the New Covenant. Do you know what they are? You can't keep them and break one of the Ten Commandments at the same time. The New Covenant commandments prevents us from breaking the Ten.

Yeah, I feel sorry for them.

Hell and the Devil do exist.

Their mind has not been renewed because they have never truly repented and been BORN AGAIN OF THE SPIRIT.

Titus 3:
"""""Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy GOD saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;.""

Those works of righteousness are from their time under the law the OLD COVENANT when they had their sin nature, when they were not born again of the Spirit. You can't add the works of righteousness we are meant to keep of the New Covenant. They are separate.

Remind them to be subject to rulers and authorities, to obey, to be ready for every good work, 2 to speak evil of no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing all humility to all men. 3 For we ourselves were also once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another. 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Those are from the PAST. "Not by works of righteousness WHICH WE HAVE DONE.

 

[Behold]

It is hard to lose your salvation, but the New Testament speaks of it.

The Commandments we keep are the commandments of the New Covenant. Do you know what they are?

1.) Salvation and Eternal Life are : Jesus.

He is our Salvation and our Eternal life.
You can't lose that....as Jesus does not leave you once you are in spiritual union with Him and God.
Becoming the "Temple of the Holy Spirit" is not something you caused, and its not something you can uncause.

2.) Faith is not the Savior., so, if you have a Faith Crisis, you have it with Jesus in you, who is Salvation and Eternal Life.


3.) The Commandments of Jesus didn't save you, as they didn't hang on the Cross for your sin.
So, what didnt die for your sin, can't cause you to become LOST< if you dont do it.


4.) Hebrews 6 and 10 are connected to Acts 28:28.... Those verses are for unsaved Hebrews, not for you.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

The Commandments of Jesus didn't save you, as they didn't hang on the Cross for your sin.
So, what didnt die for your sin, can't cause you to become LOST< if you dont do it.

You can't be saved without the first one of His commandments.

Hebrews 6 and 10 are connected to Acts 28:28.... Those verses are for unsaved Hebrews, not for you.

They are for us too as we are grafted into them. We are of the same Church as the Hebrew apostles

 

[1stCenturyLady]

4.) Hebrews 6 and 10 are connected to Acts 28:28.... Those verses are for unsaved Hebrews, not for you.

This is for Jews and anyone else who sins willfully who was once sanctified. That is who was once saved.

In the middle of Hebrews 10:26-31 it says they have “trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of Grace.”