Why do so many of you insult fellow Christians that express a different understanding?

[Jim B]

Not the commandments of Moses but the law of Christ and his commandments.

John 15:10-12

10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.

12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.


I pray we love one another even in online forums.

One can only keep Jesus "commandments" (which are completely different than the OT law) by being given the Holy Spirit, who guides believers into all truth.

And the words you cite were spoken by Jesus to people who had not yet received the Holy Spirit. "My Father is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit and become my disciples. (in the future).

 

[amigo de christo]

Not the commandments of Moses but the law of Christ and his commandments.

John 15:10-12

10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.

12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.


I pray we love one another even in online forums.

As you know the the commandments of Christ would and do fullfill the entire law of righteousness .
IF a man LOVED GOD with all His heart , HE would not love the evils of his flesh .
HE would not love the things that GOD hates . HE would not honor sins and call certain sins love .
SEE the problem is many have been instructed with a love that cometh of the world
And that love tries to sell them a love your neighbor as yourself .
But it has zero love for GOD . and thus it has no real agape love for the brethren either .
IF WE LOVED GOD , CHRIST above all , WOULD we not have the LOVE FOR THE TRUTH OF HIS WORDS upon our heart .
YES WE WOULD .
WE would then have the love necessary to also truly love our neighbor as ourself .
Todays love your neighbor as yourself , is really ACCEPT THEIR SIN and ideals and just get along and do good together .
THAT LOVE NEVER HONORS GOD and THUS IT NEVER HELPS THE OTHER EITHER .
SINS get overlooked , till eventually those same sins become ACCEPTED . That is what is REALLY going on .

 

[Wynona]

Let's be very basic about love. 1 Cor 13:4


4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind;

Can we be kind? Even if someone needs correction, can we be kind about it? Love is patient and kind.

I see a lot of people having a good deal of zeal in correcting views but not a lot of patience or kindness in doing that.

 

[Patrick1966]

Let's be very basic about love. 1 Cor 13:4


4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind;

Can we be kind? Even if someone needs correction, can we be kind about it? Love is patient and kind.

I see a lot of people having a good deal of zeal in correcting views but not a lot of patience or kindness in doing that.

 

[amigo de christo]

One can only keep Jesus "commandments" (which are completely different than the OT law) by being given the Holy Spirit, who guides believers into all truth.

And the words you cite were spoken by Jesus to people who had not yet received the Holy Spirit. "My Father is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit and become my disciples. (in the future).

That is the POINT JIM . many do not have the SPIRIT at all .
What they have is mans basic knowledge of a jesus and do believe me its another jesus .
Most have the idea of a social justice warrior jesus , that has zero problems with CERTAIN sins in the church .
NAMELY ABORTION and HOMOSEXUALITY .
KNow anyone like that my friend . cause every time one dares to make mention that abortion or homosexuality is sin
SOME folks come and hammer them non stop .
ALL sin gets corrected within the church on my watch jim . ALL sin .
THE SPIRIT works through true believers . AND BELIEVE ME , GOD corrects those in error , HIS SPIRIT
would have us to correct those in error .

 

[Jim B]

There was once a man who wrote to a church and told them , though the MORE abundantley i love you
the less i be loved . Love cometh with correction . Now pual HAD the LOVE of GOD IN HIM .
And i would like to challenge us to reread ALL of his letters to the churches .
Love corrects . Love dont just hug and try and get along , IT corrects those in error within the church .
Do be encouraged . But i sure dont see the LOVE of GOD in many churches .
What i see is a sensual idea of what the love of GOD entails in churches . AND oh yeah its coming from the WORLD .

Who is "pual"?

Correction is only appropriate when it is done with love. Your constant criticism of everyone who doesn't meet your impossible standard is not love.

And as usual, you are judging other Christians, the "sheep of Jesus' pasture".. Who are you to judge those whom Christ has accepted as His own???

John 3:17, " “Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world but in order that the world might be saved through him." It is truly tragic that you can't understand that basic truth and apply it to your life!

 

[Patrick1966]

Let's be very basic about love. 1 Cor 13:4


4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind;

Can we be kind? Even if someone needs correction, can we be kind about it? Love is patient and kind.

I see a lot of people having a good deal of zeal in correcting views but not a lot of patience or kindness in doing that.

I know a young woman who was born with a condition that severely impacted her brain development. She is very nice and has told me about her love of Jesus, although I doubt that she can tell anyone about the doctrines of Christianity. In my view, she is a "better" Christian than most of the legalists that proclaim to be devout followers of Christ. Furthermore, it won't surprise me in the least if, in God's kingdom, she is appointed by God to be a governor over a region of the new Earth in which millions of souls live.

Matthew 23:12 esv
Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

 

[amigo de christo]

Let's be very basic about love. 1 Cor 13:4


4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind;

Can we be kind? Even if someone needs correction, can we be kind about it? Love is patient and kind.

I see a lot of people having a good deal of zeal in correcting views but not a lot of patience or kindness in doing that.

I also see a lot of folks that have no idea what the men of a church should look like .
Folks are too used to see feminie like men .
I would like to challenge us all to go back and read and see what TRUE MEN had to write to the churches .
In all things . OH yes , no doubt i would rather see folks all serving GOD . THAT IS TOTAL JOY .
But when men who know GOD see error , something switches on within them .
EVEN as it did in paul . Paul was walking around a certain town and he got so STIRRED UP
when he saw the idolarty that he went to the jewish synagogues and actually began correcting .
Folks act like serious grave men are a problem . No its all needed .
Its odd what has occured within the churches through feminism . MEN have long been taught
and given ideals that have feminized them . And now when true men stand up
they seen as haters , non loving . Men and women do operate differently .
GOD has a pattern in the churches for a reason . Seasoned men are not gonna
just be smiley and huggy when they see error . But as i said today it has gotten so bad
churches dont even recognize a man anymore . Its almost like the sexes in areas have swapped places .
The women lead and ursurp more authority over the churches while the men smile and hug and pull our her chair
for her to lead the church . And its not just men and women . Look closer
i seen something that nearly blew my mind .
I SEEN an total abomination getting celebrated in schools .
IT showed full grown teachers all decked up in rainbow colors , dancing and jumping around like a five year old .
AND THE KIDS they seemed more like the adults . THEY were actually far more calm and actually some of they
were weired out . THE PARENTS act like children do . Tongues sticking out , dancing around
trying to out do the other in acting like a total clown . ADULTS are ADULTS and the children acted more like the ADULT
on that day .

 

[Jim B]

Well i am as a dumb sheep . a man in dire need of the SHEPARD . But you go and learn what that means .
And as far as money jim . I never said having money was a sin , I said loving it was .
Desiring it is . Heaping and steaping it up IS . Now go ye and learn what JESUS said about such things .

Thank you for finally admitting the truth: "Well i am as a dumb sheep . a man in dire need of the SHEPARD".

Desiring money is a sin? You don't desire money? Really?

As usual, you are distorting Scripture: "For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, and in their eagerness to be rich some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pains." 1 Timothy 6:10

You need to learn what Scripture says about such things. READ YOUR BIBLE and try to understand what it truly says, not what you want it to say.

 

[amigo de christo]

Thank you for finally admitting the truth: "Well i am as a dumb sheep . a man in dire need of the SHEPARD".

Desiring money is a sin? You don't desire money? Really?

As usual, you are distorting Scripture: "For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, and in their eagerness to be rich some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pains." 1 Timothy 6:10

You need to learn what Scripture says about such things. READ YOUR BIBLE and try to understand what it truly says, not what you want it to say.

Those who desire to be rich jim . Learn to be CONTENT with what you have . And no i dont desire money .
I simply work . Huge difference jim . Many do love money and guess what
they dont think they do . But they do .
Fast to holler out about how the common folks need to redist the wealth
YEAH , always someone elses money as they get richer and richer .
THEY NEED to give their money to the poor .
You do realize what they really desire . Look real close at george sorros .
How did that man get so rich . YOU DO the research .
IF He really was all about the poor , WHY dont he sell what he has and give it to them .
I will tell you why . THIS redist of wealth aint about the poor jim .
Its about simply using the idea its for the poor to build a system that makes THE SORROS richer .
Makes and gives the elites and govts ALL POWER and control over all people .
You my friend and you social justice gospel is the one trying to make the bible say what you all want it to say .
Just like you do with the abrahamic faith accord lie . Muslims Do not worship the same GOD we do jim .
You are wrong about that too .

 

[Jim B]

I also see a lot of folks that have no idea what the men of a church should look like .
Folks are too used to see feminie like men .
I would like to challenge us all to go back and read and see what TRUE MEN had to write to the churches .
In all things . OH yes , no doubt i would rather see folks all serving GOD . THAT IS TOTAL JOY .
But when men who know GOD see error , something switches on within them .
EVEN as it did in paul . Paul was walking around a certain town and he got so STIRRED UP
when he saw the idolarty that he went to the jewish synagogues and actually began correcting .
Folks act like serious grave men are a problem . No its all needed .
Its odd what has occured within the churches through feminism . MEN have long been taught
and given ideals that have feminized them . And now when true men stand up
they seen as haters , non loving . Men and women do operate differently .
GOD has a pattern in the churches for a reason . Seasoned men are not gonna
just be smiley and huggy when they see error . But as i said today it has gotten so bad
churches dont even recognize a man anymore . Its almost like the sexes in areas have swapped places .
The women lead and ursurp more authority over the churches while the men smile and hug and pull our her chair
for her to lead the church . And its not just men and women . Look closer
i seen something that nearly blew my mind .
I SEEN an total abomination getting celebrated in schools .
IT showed full grown teachers all decked up in rainbow colors , dancing and jumping around like a five year old .
AND THE KIDS they seemed more like the adults . THEY were actually far more calm and actually some of they
were weired out . THE PARENTS act like children do . Tongues sticking out , dancing around
trying to out do the other in acting like a total clown . ADULTS are ADULTS and the children acted more like the ADULT
on that day .

"Folks are too used to see feminie like men . "LOL!!!"

"Paul was walking around a certain town and he got so STIRRED UP when he saw the idolarty (whatever that is!) that he went to the jewish synagogues [redundant] and actually began correcting". That is a distortion of Scripture.

Here is that section of Acts in context, "While Paul was waiting for them in Athens, he was deeply distressed to see that the city was full of idols. So he argued in the synagogue with the Jews and the devout persons and also in the marketplace every day with those who happened to be there." You are implying that the only people he debated were the Jews, which is untrue.

"Folks act like serious grave men are a problem " Do you mean undertakers?

"MEN have long been taught and given ideals that have feminized them . And now when true men stand up they seen as haters , non loving . " This clearly shows your problem with gender! Here is what Scripture says "There is no longer Jew or Greek; there is no longer slave or free; there is no longer male and female, for all of you are one in Christ Jesus." So your writing "Men and women do operate differently . GOD has a pattern in the churches for a reason" is clearly contrary to Scripture. Again, there is no longer male and female, for all of you are one in Christ Jesus.

Your characterization of "true men" is total nonsense! Was Cain a "true man" by killing his brother? Obviously, you have problems with your own masculinity!

I have read a lot of nonsense that you have written but this "takes the cake": Seasoned men are not gonna just be smiley and huggy when they see error . But as i said today it has gotten so bad churches dont even recognize a man anymore . Its almost like the sexes in areas have swapped places . The women lead and ursurp (whatever "ursurp" means!) more authority over the churches while the men smile and hug and pull our her chair
for her to lead the church.

That is just total NONSENSE! Paul wrote extensively about the role women played in assisting him in his ministry. And whom did Jesus choose to announce His resurrection to the world?

Matthew 28:1-10, "After the Sabbath, as the first day of the week was dawning, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb. And suddenly there was a great earthquake, for an angel of the Lord, descending from heaven, came and rolled back the stone and sat on it. His appearance was like lightning and his clothing white as snow. For fear of him the guards shook and became like dead men. But the angel said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus who was crucified. He is not here, for he has been raised, as he said. Come, see the place where he lay. Then go quickly and tell his disciples, ‘He has been raised from the dead, and indeed he is going ahead of you to Galilee; there you will see him.’ This is my message for you.” So they left the tomb quickly with fear and great joy and ran to tell his disciples. Suddenly Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came to him, took hold of his feet, and worshiped him. Then Jesus said to them, “Do not be afraid; go and tell my brothers and sisters to go to Galilee; there they will see me.”

So the male guards shook with fear, but the women, even though they were also afraid, were chosen by the risen Lord to tell the disciples (who were in hiding).

And your writing "Seasoned men are not gonna just be smiley and huggy when they see error ." clearly shows that you have a real problem with your masculinity!

Finally, your last section about adults and children in schools is so absurd it doesn't even deserve a response!

 

[Jim B]

Those who desire to be rich jim . Learn to be CONTENT with what you have . And no i dont desire money .
I simply work . Huge difference jim . Many do love money and guess what
they dont think they do . But they do .
Fast to holler out about how the common folks need to redist the wealth
YEAH , always someone elses money as they get richer and richer .
THEY NEED to give their money to the poor .
You do realize what they really desire . Look real close at george sorros .
How did that man get so rich . YOU DO the research .
IF He really was all about the poor , WHY dont he sell what he has and give it to them .
I will tell you why . THIS redist of wealth aint about the poor jim .
Its about simply using the idea its for the poor to build a system that makes THE SORROS richer .
Makes and gives the elites and govts ALL POWER and control over all people .
You my friend and you social justice gospel is the one trying to make the bible say what you all want it to say .
Just like you do with the abrahamic faith accord lie . Muslims Do not worship the same GOD we do jim .
You are wrong about that too .

This is just total and absolute nonsense! You have clearly "gone of the deep end". Why are you so desperately unhappy? I really feel very, very sorry for you!

BTW, there is no such person as "george sorros". And Muslims DO worship the same GOD we do. You are wrong on both counts.

 

[Jim B]

That is the POINT JIM . many do not have the SPIRIT at all .
What they have is mans basic knowledge of a jesus and do believe me its another jesus .
Most have the idea of a social justice warrior jesus , that has zero problems with CERTAIN sins in the church .
NAMELY ABORTION and HOMOSEXUALITY .
KNow anyone like that my friend . cause every time one dares to make mention that abortion or homosexuality is sin
SOME folks come and hammer them non stop .
ALL sin gets corrected within the church on my watch jim . ALL sin .
THE SPIRIT works through true believers . AND BELIEVE ME , GOD corrects those in error , HIS SPIRIT
would have us to correct those in error .

You are clearly out of your mind!!! Everything that you wrote is total nonsense, except this: AND BELIEVE ME, GOD corrects those in error. Finally you show some understanding! So why don't you trust God and stop taking His place? GOD CORRECTS THOSE IN ERROR!

 

[Triumph1300]

GOD CORRECTS THOSE IN ERROR!

Surely that refers to the true church.
Not the ones send by satan to infiltrate the body of Christ.
Many are on the wide road.
Few take the narrow road.

Mt 7:14

Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it

Hopefully He corrects you, Jim. ;-)

 

[Triumph1300]

amigo de christo,

Your buddy Jim is clearly feeding you and every time hoping you come back.
Which is actually a good thing for those who follow the thread.
It surely exposes the "true love" Jim is showing by throwing insults on this forum.
Not much love left there.......calling people out of their mind and being drunk and more...ah well.

 

[amadeus]

We are commanded to obey the commandments by Jesus. But that does not give us the right to cast judgment on sinners.

Or even to decide the existence of or the extent of someone else's sin.

 

[amadeus]

We are not commanded to obey the commandments by Jesus. Only those who aren't saved must obey the commandments. Christian have been given the Holy Spirit to be our guide, replacing the written commandments.

Are no commandments written in our hearts by the Holy Spirit within us? What is it that we hear with the "ears to hear" and see with the "eyes to see", which should be by or through or of the Holy Spirit?

 

[Jim B]

amigo de christo,

Your buddy Jim is clearly feeding you and every time hoping you come back.
Which is actually a good thing for those who follow the thread.
It surely exposes the "true love" Jim is showing by throwing insults on this forum.
Not much love left there.......calling people out of their mind and being drunk and more...ah well.

Here are some Bible quotes that apparently you're not familiar with...

1 Samuel 18:3, "And Jonathan made a covenant with David because he loved him as himself."

John 13:23, "One of them, the disciple whom Jesus loved, was reclining next to him."

So, Biblically, men can love each other!

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Matthew 9:36-37, "He took a little child whom he placed among them. Taking the child in his arms, he said to them, “Whoever welcomes one of these little children in my name welcomes me; and whoever welcomes me does not welcome me but the one who sent me.”

Matthew 19:14, "Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”

And men can be affectionate toward children!

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Matthew 3:7, "But when [John the baptizer] he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath?

Matthew 12:34a, "You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good?" (said by Jesus)

Galatians 5:12, "As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!" (said by Paul)

It surely exposes the "true love" Jesus, John the Baptizer, and Paul are showing by throwing insults.

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One of the things I have always loved about the Bible is its honesty. It doesn't conform to this phony form of Christianity where a) "men are real men" and b) cannot harshly criticize others.

@amigo posts all kinds of unScriptural garbage that has no real truth to it. He considers that if "men" don't act like macho "real men" who consider themselves superior to others and look down on everyone who isn't like them, then they are not true Christians. The above examples show his doctrine to be totally false.

He, like the Pharisee in the parable, judges others whom he feels are inferior to him. Women, LGBTQs, Catholics, Muslims, liberals, etc. are evil. But what does the Bible say?

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him." John 3:16-17

Romans 13:8, "Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law."

The above clearly show some of the basic truths of the Bible. God is love and whoever loves is like God.

By contrast, whoever hates is like Satan.

1 John 2:9, "Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates a brother or sister is still in the darkness."

1 John 2:11, "But anyone who hates a brother or sister is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness. They do not know where they are going, because the darkness has blinded them."

1 John 4:20, "Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen."

@amigo constantly hatefully criticizes people, including other Christians.

I will continue to write the truth and oppose those who spread lies and distort the gospel of our Lord and Savior.

 

[Jim B]

Or even to decide the existence of or the extent of someone else's sin.

@amigo needs to read this post!

 

[Grailhunter]

What i see is a sensual idea of what the love of GOD entails in churches . AND oh yeah its coming from the WORLD .

What do you mean in this?
Sex in the pews?
Is really sensual, the right word?

Finally, brothers and sisters, rejoice! Strive for full restoration, encourage one another, be of one mind, live in peace. And the God of love and peace will be with you. Greet one another with a holy kiss. All the saints greet you. 2nd Corinthians 13:11-13 Do you see this scripture from Paul as promoting sensuality in the church?

Greetings, encouragement, fellowship, handshakes, hugs, and kisses. Do you see this as sex in the church? Do you think churches promote sex in the church? I have gotten my best hugs from men and women in the church.

Sensual? I am not sure I have seen much of that.

Are you talking about molestations?

I am concerned that people get so hung-up on this line of thinking that any touch is sensual....and when you get right down to it, it can be a hang-up, wrong thinking, or even a mental problem.