How do you feel about it?
Yes, I know this is a can of worms, but I wanted to see what the sentiments were.
Yes, I know this is a can of worms, but I wanted to see what the sentiments were.
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Potential cost to you
[background=rgb(254, 254, 254)]: If you're an individual making over $280,000 or a family with income over $350,000, you could eventually be looking at a tax surcharge of from 1.0 to 5.4 percent on your income above that amount.[/background]
[background=rgb(254, 254, 254)]If it takes 280,000 a year for me to be considered middle class, I have a long way to go.......[/background]
Ignorance is truly bliss. What you arent taking into account is these figures are already proven wrong long ago they made a math error.
Secondly the court threw out the State medicade mandate which was a part of the foundational stone of the mandate.
That means the feds can not require states to cover 133% of Medicaid costs this means the feds have to pick up another 33% of all medical costs from each state that wasnt accounted for ..There is no mechanisim to pay for this
we are already broke where do you think the feds are going to get these extra billions of dollars to cover these costs ? Yep they will have to raise federal income tax ...Well except from Congress who excempted themselves.
Ignorance is truly bliss. What you arent taking into account is these figures are already proven wrong long ago they made a math error.
Secondly the court threw out the State medicade mandate which was a part of the foundational stone of the mandate.
That means the feds can not require states to cover 133% of Medicaid costs this means the feds have to pick up another 33% of all medical costs from each state that wasnt accounted for ..There is no mechanisim to pay for this
we are already broke where do you think the feds are going to get these extra billions of dollars to cover these costs ? Yep they will have to raise federal income tax ...Well except from Congress who excempted themselves.
Aspen, I can give you one very real, very tangile cost increase for the middle class. My father's insurance deductible balooned to $3500/year for him and my mom. It went beyond doubling, my Father's medicine now costs $500/month, forcing him to work with his doctors to find another cheaper alternative.
This was done because the company (not a large fortune-500 company) had to ensure all workers. Unfortunately, they couldn't obtain waivers like many large and influential fortune 500 companies.
This scenario has played out for friends as well. The entire problem with this bill is a very large swath of the middle class will be caught between not having the money, yet remaining unable to qualify for any of the credits. (In addition to the reality being that not everyone can wait around until year's end for a credit!) This was the reasoning behind President Obama's desire to ensure children on their parent's insurance up until 26 - that was specifically intended to be a stop-gap for a demographic that would be adversely affected by this requirement.
In addition to this, while the insurance pool has indeed expanded, any gain in income will be offset by a gain in the cost of care. Now, companies will be forced to pay for expensive care. Now, let's not just make this about numbers, because it is about people, but this adversely affects the masses for a relative few. Additionally, this bill does nothing to address the crux of the issue, which is not the availably of care, but the cost of care.
As far as non-Conservative think tank numbers, just go the CBO:
The original scoring of $940 billion shot up to $1.76 trillion in April (for 10 year period). Because of the recent decision regarding Medicaid funding, that number will most certainly increase, as avoice stated because more funding will be needed.
That has already surpassed the $1.29 trillion cost of the Iraq & Afghanistan wars for 2001-2010, and we're still counting [the healthcare cost]. (Couresy of the Center for Defense Information.) The CDI is known for its focus on criticisms of defense spending.
I'm sorry, but this bill is the single most assinine and pig-headed piece of junk I've seen. The only real defenses I see being put up for it usually are 1) You don't want poor people to have healthcare or 2) The system was broken, so we needed to do something.
As far as non-Conservative think tank numbers, just go the CBO:
The original scoring of $940 billion shot up to $1.76 trillion in April (for 10 year period). Because of the recent decision regarding Medicaid funding, that number will most certainly increase, as avoice stated because more funding will be needed.
I'm sorry, but this bill is the single most assinine and pig-headed piece of junk I've seen. The only real defenses I see being put up for it usually are 1) You don't want poor people to have healthcare or 2) The system was broken, so we needed to do something.
No one got what they wanted. I think it is too bad that Congress decided not to work together to come up with something decent. I am not just blaming conservatives either.
-- That is the part no one is talking about. A cost increase of 90% above the promised amount. Just...like...that...
That makes this program unsustainable at best and with the real potential of absolutely destroying our economy.
And there wasn't enough funding in place for the original amount of $940,000,000.
They are using mathematical dishonesty by collecting revenue for a full five years before benefits for multiple services kick in.
So now, after the next five years, the total amount paid in over ten years will run out and costs will force the program to begin running at a decifit.
This even though ObamaCare raids Medicare to the tune of $500,000,000.
-- Unfortunately, you are correct.
"Poor people need healthcare" does not justify the expense of $1.76 Trillion over ten years.
The cost of both Medicare and Medicaid run at 20% fraud, waste, and abuse. Correcting that would have more than financed care for the poor.
Obama had a Democrat House and Senate his first two years in office. This could have been addressed then.
Thier push now is to claim that forcing everyone to pay is not a 'tax.' The White House yesterday said it wasn't a tax but rather a "penalty," denying the very justification the Supreme Court used to find it Constitutional.
The justices even criticized Obama's lawyer because one day he argued that it was a mandate, not a tax, and the next day he argued it was a "simple tax" and not a mandate.
-- "I am not just blaming conservatives, either?" Are you kidding? Seriously, are you kidding?
You present that as if it is primarily the Republican's fault that the Democrats ALONE voted to pass this 2000-plus debacle without first reading it.
The Republicans offered 60 seperate ideas/suggestions for the program and Obama, Pelosi, and Reid rejected ALL OF THEM.
They did not consider, let alone accept a single one of them.
One of them was the suggestion to make it legal to sell health insurance across state lines, like car insurance. That would have had an almost immediate impact on the cost of health care. Competition brings increased services and lower prices.
THEY WOULD NOT EVEN ALLOW A SINGLE ONE OF THEM TO BE BROUGHT UP FOR DISCUSSION ON THE FLOOR OF THE HOUSE OR THE SENATE.
This even though the Republicans agreed on a large number of the Democrat ideas, like letting kids stay on their parents insurance and covering pre-existing conditions.
How is is possible to say that the Democrats were willing to compromise with the Republicans when they refused to entertain even one...single...idea...
Did you really forget the ONE TIME Obama invited the Republicans to the White House to discuss their support? They tried to offer several options and Obama refused all, finally telling them that they lost the election and are going to have to learn to live with it.
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I really cannot remember a lot of the drama involved when the Bill was being passed through Congress - however, I do remember Republicans making demands that Obama eventually caved in on. One of them was universal coverage.