One baptism. Not two.

[David in NJ]

So why are you discouraging others from being baptized in water like Jesus did? By saying that water baptism is not necessary, you are trying to nullify the example of Jesus for others who want to imitate him.

John 13:15 For I set the pattern for you, that just as I did to you, you should also do.

i was Born-Again by the Spirit of God about a year before i was water baptized.

We all believe the LORD Jesus Christ at His word and we never prohibit nor discourage water baptism.

We KNOW that the water baptism is an outward symbolic act of dying to sin and rising in newness of life.

 

[face2face]

op: ONE Baptism, not two? Absolutely Correct!

My my, more "biting and devouring" over a ritual, from the previous dispensation that is not
for The Body Of Christ, Under Grace, Today, but, Thank God For His ONE ( Spiritual ) Baptism
That Is For us in ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑!

Also reminds me of the only 'one' Gospel critics who homogenize/Confuse Two Different Gospels!

Last reminder for another good study, solving all the Confusion:

unScriptural or UNdispensational?

Amen.

Can you explain how a "spirit" baptism is able to do the following?

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

It's clear a few here believe in a waterless baptism - I'm curious how do you reenact the going into the water (buried with him) and coming out of the water (being raised with him) without water?

Do you have a room where you have the Spirit is "lock up" and somehow you walk through that room and come out the other side (hehe)

F2F

 

[gpresdo]

It “symbolizes death, burial, and resurrection, and can only be done by immersion” (Bible Dictionary, “Baptism”). Going under the water represents the death and burial of Jesus Christ, but it also represents the death of our natural selves (see Romans 6:3–6).

Whereas being Birthed in the Spirit....can only be carried out by the Holy Spirit...that is the rebirth / regeneration/ Born Again...that saves us from eternal damnation, ....it’s a living spiritual birth....

Water Baptism does NOT save.....it is what it says above.

It “symbolizes death, burial, and resurrection, and can only be done by immersion” (Bible Dictionary, “Baptism”). Going under the water represents the death and burial of Jesus Christ, but it also represents the death of our natural selves (see Romans 6:3–6).

Whereas being Birthed in the Spirit....can only be carried out by the Holy Spirit...that is the rebirth / regeneration/ Born Again...that saves us from eternal damnation, ....it’s a living spiritual birth....

Water Baptism does NOT save.....it is what it says above.

Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...+99

 

[face2face]

God does not need proof that we were saved.

No, only submission to a simple act - the type Namaan refused 2 Kings 5.

One baptism is biblical (one baptism which saves)

your right. there are multiple baptisms. But only one baptism saves..

Ephesians 4:5-6
one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.


One Lord

One faith - anyone who teaches a different gospel....

one baptism.. its not water..

Correct, only one Baptism saves, both Christ & John experienced, also all the Apostles but not the few Elite here by the looks of it.

F2F

 

[gpresdo]

i was Born-Again by the Spirit of God about a year before i was water baptized.

We all believe the LORD Jesus Christ at His word and we never prohibit nor discourage water baptism.

We KNOW that the water baptism is an outward symbolic act of dying to sin and rising in newness of life.

I believe u should give further analysis to your thinking....by studying God's word.

 

[face2face]

Biblical Thinking: If flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, how then can water baptism save anyone?

JESUS says: "the flesh profits nothing, these words I speak they are Spirit and they are Life"

"The letter of the Law kills but the Spirit gives LIFE"

True, Baptism doesn't save - it bring ones into a position of being able to be saved by faith. A tried faith mind you!

 

[gpresdo]

True, Baptism doesn't save - it bring ones into a position of being able to be saved by faith. A tried faith mind you!

Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...

 

[face2face]

Circumcision could not save either.. so imagine getting as paul said mutilated. so you could go to heaven, then find out it does not help you one bit

at lease water baptism, you just get wet. no pain involved..

Circumcision was an outward sign of an inward act (same as Baptism!). For those who practiced the circumcision of their hearts, like Abraham then yes, by faith in God he will be saved.

 

[face2face]

Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...

Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

What is Peter saying Baptism corresponds to?

because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water.

The ordeal of the flood is likened to the burial and death which occurs in Christ when a person is baptised in faith.

Christ is our Ark... that much is true! Those found to be in him through the probation of life can be saved!

F2F

 

[face2face]

I am discouraging the false gospel that water baptism replaces spirit baptism in the salvation process.. Because that gospel will not save you.

Now I see your confusion!

If water baptism is done in faith, it is a Spirit baptism! How can you separate the two? Water & Spirit occur at the same time! When a person comes to a true understanding of the Gospel and submits to its calling, a person can be Baptised into the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you.

No doubt you can see the condition placed upon the believers!

You have a weird way of looking at the text - I've never, not once, spoke to a person who believes water baptism doesn't include the Spirit Word of God.

Wow - that's a first!

F2F

 

[face2face]

For everyone to answer

Israel rejected God's Word soon after He had provided a way of deliverance for them: Deliverance through the Red Sea under the leadership of Moses...

Do you agree with 1 Corith 10:1?

I don't want you to forget, dear brothers and sisters, about our ancestors in the wilderness long ago. All of them were guided by a cloud that moved ahead of them, and all of them walked through the sea on dry ground (Baptism!).

God has done the same thing with us...."Therefore let it be known to you that this salvation of God has been sent to the Gentiles; they will listen.” Acts 28:28

How many people of those baptised through the red sea crossed over and entered the promise land (Kingdom of God in type)?

Answer: 2 People - Joshua and Caleb were the only adult Israelites in that first generation who went "into the fullness" of God's calling!

Do you believe the Gentiles will be any different to those who went before them?

Be honest!

Why would Paul warn so often through his Epistle's of a falling away...of false teachers, those who would pervert the Gospel, which was already happening during his ministry? How far has the perversion come in Modern Christianity?

Now consider those in this thread who believe they are "already saved", without a tried and tested faith (and with the probability of having false teaching)?

 

[Ritajanice]

Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...+99

........without God regenerating you, you are “ unregenerate “ you must be birthed in the Spirit / Born Again to see the Kingdom of God...that is the Living word of God.

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Does 1 Peter 3:21 teach that baptism is necessary for salvation?​

ANSWER

As with any single verse or passage, we discern what it teaches by first filtering it through what we know the Bible teaches on the subject at hand. In the case of baptism and salvation, the Bible is clear that salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not by works of any kind, including baptism (Ephesians 2:8-9). So, any interpretation which comes to the conclusion that baptism, or any other act, is necessary for salvation, is a faulty interpretation. For more information, please visit our webpage on "Is salvation by faith alone, or by faith plus works?"
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[Ritajanice]

You must be birthed in the Spirit/ Born Again to see the Kingdom of God.

Without it...you are unregenerate....not saved from eternal damnation...

We are in the NT, not the OT.....the OT doesn’t apply to a Born Again.

John 3:8​

“The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.”

 

[Ritajanice]

I believe u should give further analysis to your thinking....by studying God's word.

In response to your answer to @David in NJ ......a Born Again would understand his testimony...I understand it perfectly......imo/ belief.

 

[Ritajanice]

A Born Again can also NEVER lose their salvation...once you have been birthed you belong to God, you are one in Spirit with him.....we can never be un- birthed, it’s a lie!!.

John 6:37-40​

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King James Version​

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37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 17​

King James Version​

17 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them

 

[face2face]

As with any single verse or passage, we discern what it teaches by first filtering it through what we know the Bible teaches on the subject at hand. In the case of baptism and salvation, the Bible is clear that salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not by works of any kind, including baptism (Ephesians 2:8-9). So, any interpretation which comes to the conclusion that baptism, or any other act, is necessary for salvation, is a faulty interpretation. For more information, please visit our webpage on "Is salvation by faith alone, or by faith plus works?"
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I've never heard someone call baptism a work. If baptism is symbolic of the death and resurrection in Christ in what way can Baptism be a work?

James 1:18 expressly states "He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created.

Does that same Word prescribe Baptism? Is not your birth "through" the death and ressurection of Christ, if not have you found another way besides him?

What quotes do you use to show baptism (water) a work of the flesh and not by faith in God?

F2F

 

[gpresdo]

........without God regenerating you, you are “ unregenerate “ you must be birthed in the Spirit / Born Again to see the Kingdom of God...that is the Living word of God.

​

Does 1 Peter 3:21 teach that baptism is necessary for salvation?​

ANSWER

As with any single verse or passage, we discern what it teaches by first filtering it through what we know the Bible teaches on the subject at hand. In the case of baptism and salvation, the Bible is clear that salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not by works of any kind, including baptism (Ephesians 2:8-9). So, any interpretation which comes to the conclusion that baptism, or any other act, is necessary for salvation, is a faulty interpretation. For more information, please visit our webpage on "Is salvation by faith alone, or by faith plus works?"

Then you are saying repentance is a works
?

I don't find that in scriptures.

 

[gpresdo]

........without God regenerating you, you are “ unregenerate “ you must be birthed in the Spirit / Born Again to see the Kingdom of God...that is the Living word of God.

​

Does 1 Peter 3:21 teach that baptism is necessary for salvation?​

ANSWER

As with any single verse or passage, we discern what it teaches by first filtering it through what we know the Bible teaches on the subject at hand. In the case of baptism and salvation, the Bible is clear that salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not by works of any kind, including baptism (Ephesians 2:8-9). So, any interpretation which comes to the conclusion that baptism, or any other act, is necessary for salvation, is a faulty interpretation. For more information, please visit our webpage on "Is salvation by faith alone, or by faith plus works?"

Faith without works is dead.

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[Ritajanice]

Then you are saying repentance is a works
?

I don't find that in scriptures.

I said no such thing.

2 Corinthians 7:10 Amplified Bible (AMP)
For [godly] sorrow that is in accord with the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation; but worldly sorrow [the hopeless sorrow of those who do not believe] produces death

 

[Ritajanice]

Faith without works is dead.

Our good works do not save us. They are the fruit of our salvation. They prove that we have been truly saved. Therefore, when James says that faith without works is dead, he is not saying that we are justified by works or even faith plus works. Rather, he is saying that a true faith always produces good works