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I have not

expressed my opinion..I have produced the Living word of God to his Born Again Children ....which you obviously aren’t understanding....

You haven’t even questioned me on any of the scripture I have posted...why is that?

You’ve just completely dismissed it, without even questioning it...that’s a red flag for me.

Do you believe it takes faith to believe in anything that expressed in the bible?

And im not sure what the topic is you want to talk about?

You post Romans Chapter 8, a great chapter with Paul writing to the Saints at rome, and his talking about the renewed person whom is indwelled by the spirit.

What would you like to share about this chapter that stands out to you, which confirms a person can not divorce Gods adoption by rejecting the one whom gives newness of life (which is only know to believers through the born again experience founded only in faith towards Yahava and Christ), which the bible also expresses people turning away from Jesus.

Thank you for giving me a moment of your time, Rita and your questions,

All in Christ,
Matthew
 

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@face2face,

I am not here to jump down anyones throat.

Peoplw may freely express themselves and their views, as individuals we are free to reject what one may express and that is okay, will love that person by the spirit and allow God to deal with their heart on the matter. We can express what we believe even with knowing the bible but if we cant love and allow freedom for them to think, i believe that is what is really dangerous.

Yahava looks at the heart.

Love to you,
Matthew
You are right Matthew. However we need to highlight a person's folly especially when its teaching such a damaging message. I liken it to 2 Timothy 2:18

Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus,who have departed from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and they destroy the faith of some.

It's that serious to teach that none will be lost, because they are already saved. :My2c:


I think if you held a conviction on this subject, you would defend it rigorously, just as Paul did in relation to the ressurection.

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I have not

expressed my opinion..I have produced the Living word of God to his Born Again Children ....which you obviously aren’t understanding....

You haven’t even questioned me on any of the scripture I have posted...why is that?

You’ve just completely dismissed it, without even questioning it...that’s a red flag for me.

Show me in that scripture that I posted..is what you say God is not saying..show me?

Because you are saying it’s just my opinion..where in fact it’s the word of God.

Jesus will never lose one of his children....provided the Father has given them to him......

You must be Born Again...that is an act that only God can do through the Holy Spirit...it’s a Living supernatural act....it’s not something you can read...
Hebrew 6:4-6 should teach you to drop these beliefs and return to the truth Gospel.
F2F
 

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Do you believe it takes faith to believe in anything that expressed in the bible?

And im not sure what the topic is you want to talk about?

You post Romans Chapter 8, a great chapter with Paul writing to the Saints at rome, and his talking about the renewed person whom is indwelled by the spirit.

What would you like to share about this chapter that stands out to you, which confirms a person can not divorce Gods adoption by rejecting the one whom gives newness of life (which is only know to believers through the born again experience founded only in faith towards Yahava and Christ), which the bible also expresses people turning away from Jesus.

Thank you for giving me a moment of your time, Rita and your questions,

All in Christ,
Matthew
I have asked you to question the scripture I posted above.?

You are trying to divert from the truth of God’s word...by not even addressing that scripture I posted..you have dismissed it..my question is why?

If you can’t accept that a Born Again can NEVER be un- birthed...then I must cease discussion with you...I leave you to God...have a nice day....

I never continue to argue..with those whom I believe are denying the truth of God word...I leave them to him.
 
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You are right Matthew. However we need to highlight a person's folly especially when its teaching such a damaging message. I liken it to 2 Timothy 2:18

Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus,who have departed from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and they destroy the faith of some.

It's that serious to teach that none will be lost, because they are already saved. :My2c:


I think if you held a conviction on this subject, you would defend it rigorously, just as Paul did in relation to the ressurection.

F2F
Face2face,

Im not so sure im right at all but ill teach it.

Just right now this a simple message board, and can only do so much,

If its a bible verse and in context and needs explaining by and through video lessons, i would express that I do believe people can turn away from Faith, there is no denying that even now typing it.

Love you,
Matthew
 
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I have asked you to question the scripture I posted above.?

You are trying to divert from the truth of God’s word...by not even addressing that scripture I posted..you have dismissed it..my question is why?

If you can’t accept that a Born Again can NEVER be un- birthed...then I must cease discussion with you...I leave you to God...have a nice day....

I never continue to argue..with those whom I believe are denying the truth of God word...I leave them to him.
Okay,

Good-bye, and nothing but love to you,
Matthew
 
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@face2face,

All one can do is express; remember what Jesus said in the parable of the sower.

@Ritajanice you said you dont want to continue, ill just leave you to what you decide for yourself between you and God and will encourage you to continue to read and study your bible, i dont have to address your questions if i dont want to. All i can do is just ask, and you tell me what you think; and same in response. May God guide to truth, and may he be the one to become the light of your life and may you always have faith and continue to pray and seek them, and they will reward you.

Love to both of you,
Matthew
 

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@face2face,

All one can do is express; remember what Jesus said in the parable of the sower.

@Ritajanice you said you dont want to continue, ill just leave you to what you decide for yourself between you and God and will encourage you to continue to read and study your bible, i dont have to address your questions if i dont want to. All i can do is just ask, and you tell me what you think; and same in response. May God guide to truth, and may he be the one to become the light of your life and may you always have faith and continue to pray and seek them, and they will reward you.

Love to both of you,
Matthew
Brother, don’t let pride be a problem.....it can stop us from receiving God’s true word....I’m speaking from experience....

If you don’t want to answer the question, that’s fine..please don’t let pride be the reason as of to why you choose not to answer....you will never grow in Christ if you hold on to pride..the enemy will rob you of God’s truth..
God hates pride, and he will not stand for it...if you want to learn in your own strength...I can’t do anything about it..that’s between you and God....

There is nothing wrong wrong with not understanding that scripture that I posted...just try to acknowledge it, that’s all I’m saying...none of us understand all of scripture.

I certainly don’t.
 
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Brother, don’t let pride be a problem.....it can stop us from receiving God’s true word....I’m speaking from experience....

If you don’t want to answer the question, that’s fine..please don’t let pride be the reason as of to why you choose not to answer....you will never grow in Christ if you hold on to pride..the enemy will rob you of God’s truth..
Rita,

What makes you assume I am being prideful? I dont see myself better than you, or anyone else for that matter.

Thank you for your encouragment,
Matthew
 

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Rita,

What makes you assume I am being prideful? I dont see myself better than you, or anyone else for that matter.

Thank you for your encouragment,
Matthew
I will leave it there and let you think on it...
 

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I will leave it there and let you think on it...
Rita,

If you want to, that leaves me dazed snd confused ma’am as it came out of no where, … just cause i decide not to answer some questions, makes me prideful? That does not make sense or click in my head, I am sorry.

All the best though, James talks about how we should be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to anger.

Matthew
 

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Rita,

If you want to, that leaves me dazed snd confused ma’am as it came out of no where, … just cause i decide not to answer some questions, makes me prideful? That does not make sense or click in my head, I am sorry.

All the best though, James talks about how we should be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to anger.

Matthew
@MatthewG ..I tried to discuss God’s word with you....you refused, fine no problem...that shows something about you my friend...it’s coming across that you are scared to discuss God’s word.

How you are confused by me saying I will leave it there, Is beyond my understanding...only “ YOURSELF “ knows why you can’t discuss that scripture I posted..

Therefore there can be no discussion between you and I...because you for some reason are refusing to hear the word of God....and choose not to discuss it...no problem....red flag to me.
 
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@Ritajanice,

Did you skip past post 141?

I tried talking to you then…

This is becoming really ridiculous and judgemental as all get out…

All the best to you though in love and patience,
Matthew
 

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A Born Again can also NEVER lose their salvation...once you have been birthed you belong to God, you are one in Spirit with him.....we can never be un- birthed, it’s a lie!!.
This scripture is specifically speaking to God’s Born Again Children..

Those who deny it, are not in the truth of God’s word...they are in their own truth...which counts for nothing...

John 6:37-40​

King James Version​

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 17​

King James Version​

17 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them
 
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@Ritajanice,

Did you skip past post 141?

I tried talking to you then…

This is becoming really ridiculous and judgemental as all get out…

All the best to you though in love and patience,
Matthew
No you didn’t @MatthewG ...you completely bypassed that scripture that I posted and started talking about other scripture.......
 

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@MatthewG Rita wants the last word and copies and pastes previous posts...two red flags.
 

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A Born Again can also NEVER lose their salvation...once you have been birthed you belong to God, you are one in Spirit with him.....we can never be un- birthed, it’s a lie!!.
This scripture is specifically speaking to God’s Born Again Children..

Those who deny it, are not in the truth of God’s word...they are in their own truth...which counts for nothing...

John 6:37-40​

King James Version​

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 17​

King James Version​

17 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them
 

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Olay thank you.



Its hard to talk about a huge chunk of scripture on here.

Im gonna just walk away now.
 
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