One baptism. Not two.
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So why are you discouraging others from being baptized in water like Jesus did? By saying that water baptism is not necessary, you are trying to nullify the example of Jesus for others who want to imitate him.
John 13:15 For I set the pattern for you, that just as I did to you, you should also do.
Eternally Grateful
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I am not discouraging anyone from being water baptised. it is a command of God we all should be baptized in water
I am discouraging the false gospel that water baptism replaces spirit baptism in the salvation process.. Because that gospel will not save you.
Jesus set the pattern for many things we should do as his children. But non of them save us
we do them because we are saved out of gratitude and love and trust
amigo de christo
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Guess he didnt read about the day of pentecost
nor about the House of cornelious . Something very interesting occured in that house of cornelious .
They recieved the baptism of the HOLY GHOST , spoke in tongues .
Peter also says , is there any water here that these may be baptized .
SO we see the true conversion of the soul cometh OF GOD
but we also see they DID make sure and water baptize .
The unholy harlot has taught many things contrary to the scrips .
But the lambs shall embrace ALL THINGS taught in the pure and holy words of TRUTH in that bible .
KNOWING our salvation cometh of GOD , given us in CHRIST JESUS .
KNOWING the baptism of CHRIST cometh by the SPIRIT .
but that we also do perform water baptism . Its an outward appearance .
As the old man is laid to death in CHRIST and a new man arises . But it aint the act of water baptism that saved us .
Cause if that were the case PHILLIP and the enauch
would have sounded way different .
SO lets go back in time , in the pages of the bible to what is and was recorded in acts .
There was once a man called phillip
and in time he was sent unto the desert . Was called to go speak to a man , a eunach of queen candance
who had went to jerusalem to WORSHIP and was on his way back to EYGPT .
Phillip preached JESUS unto him through the prophet ISSIAH , chapter fifty three if we know our bible .
NOW FOR THE BIG EVENT .
Notice when the eunach spotted water , HE said SEE HERE IS WATER , what does HINDER ME , HINDER ME
HINDER ME , HINDER ME , HINDER ME from being baptized .
Now notice it was not phillip who said , STOP THIS CHARIOT , I SEE WATER , THIS MAN NEEDS TO BE BAPTIZED
so HE CAN BE SAVED . NOPE .
HE , phillip answered the question of the eunach who had said WHAT DOES HINDER ME , HINDER ME
HINDER ME from being baptized in this water .
IF , IF , yeah , take heed phillip used the IF WORD .
IF you BELIEVE with all your heart , YOU MAY BE .
AKA , TO BE SAVED THE MAN HAD TO BELIEVE , EVEN in order to be water baptized HE also HAD TO BELIEVE .
And yet many today go into the tank under the guise of another jesus , under the guise
of an all inclusive lie , under the guise of the doctrines and statments of men .
And since its not the water that saved nor changed them . THEY GO DOWN as the old man
and simply come up as the OLD MAN , with the idea , OH WE SAVED NOW .
Did you know that often times most churches wont even baptize one , LEST THEY COME TO THEIR DOCTRINES .
NOT TO JESUS , but to their doctrinal statements of what they call faith . ITS A MESS david . a mess .
Ok, then.
Now tell me: how do I know that you really are "spirit baptized" and that is not just your own imaginary status?
Mmmh, I think you didn't read the text I quoted in its Biblical context:
John 13:3 So Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands and that he came from God and was going to God, 4 got up from the evening meal and laid aside his outer garments. And taking a towel, he wrapped it around his waist. 5 After that he put water into a basin and started to wash the feet of the disciples and to dry them off with the towel that was wrapped around him. 6 Then he came to Simon Peter. He said to him: “Lord, are you washing my feet?” 7 Jesus answered him: “What I am doing you do not understand now, but you will understand after these things.” 8 Peter said to him: “You will certainly never wash my feet.” Jesus answered him: “Unless I wash you, you have no share with me.” 9 Simon Peter said to him: “Lord, wash not only my feet but also my hands and my head.” 10 Jesus said to him: “Whoever has bathed does not need to have more than his feet washed, but is completely clean. And you men are clean, but not all of you.” 11 For he knew the man who was betraying him. This is why he said: “Not all of you are clean.”
12 When, now, he had washed their feet and had put his outer garments on, he again reclined at the table and said to them: “Do you understand what I have done to you? 13 You address me as ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and you are correct, for I am such. 14 Therefore, if I, the Lord and Teacher, washed your feet, you also should wash the feet of one another. 15 For I set the pattern for you, that just as I did to you, you should also do. 16 Most truly I say to you, a slave is not greater than his master, nor is one who is sent greater than the one who sent him. 17 If you know these things, happy you are if you do them.
If someone interested wanted to learn in these forums about what they have to do to "being saved"... they would be very confused with the versions of each one about what is really necessary for that. The Bible is the one that clarifies things... although each one wants to give a version of their own idea of what others need, or themselves. People tend to project themselves onto others... something like: "if I don't give importance to certain thing, you don't have to give it to it either". That is not for each person to decide.
Eternally Grateful
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How do I know?Ok, then.
Now tell me: how do I know that you really are "spirit baptized" and that is not just your own imaginary status?
because I have faith in God. He said whoever believes in him will not perish, but have eternal life.
Anyone who ads works to the gospel is teaching a false gospel.
Paul said it is not by works of righteousness we have done (water baptism is a work of righteousness) but by his mercy he saved us through the washing (baptism) and regeneration (new birth) of the HS.
The HS did the work. not your pastor. and no water was involved, except for the spiritual water in Christ Jesus
No how do you know; that was not my question ... you can imagine whatever you want and that won't change the reality (Matt. 7:21-23).
Tell me something: do you think that in order to be a real Christian in the first century, the apostles of Jesus were needed for something, or could each one be one when they wanted and in the way they decided?
PS: stop calling other's beliefs as "false gospel". You don't decide that.
Eternally Grateful
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I did the will of the father in heaven.
I did as the tax collector. I repented and I called out to Jesus to save me \
I rtust God to keep his promises.
do you?
Paul calls it a false gospel. I am just preaching pauls wordsTell me something: do you think that in order to be a real Christian in the first century, the apostles of Jesus were needed for something, or could each one be one when they wanted and in the way they decided?
PS: stop calling other's beliefs as "false gospel". You don't decide that.
If you add works to the gospel you teach a different gospel.
to be a real christian in the OT and NT you had to have the faith of Abraham.
do you?
I have the same God Jesus has, do you?
John 20:17 Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
Rev. 3:12 The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name.
John 20:17 Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
Rev. 3:12 The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name.
You must be Born Again to see the Kingdom of God.No how do you know; that was not my question ... you can imagine whatever you want and that won't change the reality (Matt. 7:21-23).
Tell me something: do you think that in order to be a real Christian in the first century, the apostles of Jesus were needed for something, or could each one be one when they wanted and in the way they decided?
PS: stop calling other's beliefs as "false gospel". You don't decide that.
Any other gospel is false and will be called out.
John 3:3
King James Version
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.Yes.
And some people don't even know who is the Father of those born again Christians ... Some think it has to do with Jesus, but it doesn't.
As long as people don't know what really is to be born again, all they say is just imagination. Anyone can say I am born again. Words are just words.
Eternally Grateful
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Do you think that these people that Jesus is talking about here were not convinced within themselves that they were born again? 
Luke 13:24 “Exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will seek to get in but will not be able. 25 When the householder gets up and locks the door, you will stand outside knocking at the door, saying,
‘Lord, open to us.’
But in answer he will say to you:
‘I do not know where you are from.’
26 Then you will start saying,
‘We ate and drank in your presence, and you taught in our main streets.’
27 But he will say to you,
‘I do not know where you are from. Get away from me, all you workers of unrighteousness!’
Luke 13:24 “Exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will seek to get in but will not be able. 25 When the householder gets up and locks the door, you will stand outside knocking at the door, saying,
‘Lord, open to us.’
But in answer he will say to you:
‘I do not know where you are from.’
26 Then you will start saying,
‘We ate and drank in your presence, and you taught in our main streets.’
27 But he will say to you,
‘I do not know where you are from. Get away from me, all you workers of unrighteousness!’
If you don’t believe that Jesus died for our sins, then is no discussion from me to you..I don’t believe in “ forcing “ someone to believe what I believe.
Jesus is the only way to the Father, Without Jesus, there will be no birth in the spirit.
So, Good day to you......if you preach that being Born Again has nothing to do with Jesus...is false teaching,imo/ belief.
You are not my judge ... Don't tell me how I will be judge or based on what.
Take care of yourself.
Have a good one.
You can not work to be birthed in the Spirit...how can you convince yourself that you are Born again by that scripture..that is preposterous.Do you think that these people that Jesus is talking about here were not convinced within themselves that they were born again?
Luke 13:24 “Exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will seek to get in but will not be able. 25 When the householder gets up and locks the door, you will stand outside knocking at the door, saying,
‘Lord, open to us.’
But in answer he will say to you:
‘I do not know where you are from.’
26 Then you will start saying,
‘We ate and drank in your presence, and you taught in our main streets.’
27 But he will say to you,
‘I do not know where you are from. Get away from me, all you workers of unrighteousness!’
I am calling you a false teacher..if you say that Jesus has nothing to do with being birthed in the Spirit...and you will be called out.You are not my judge ... Don't tell me how I will be judge or based on what.
Take care of yourself.
Have a good one.
If Jesus had not died on that cross..there would be no birth..period.
Eternally Grateful
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John 3: 10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man [b]who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
this is how one is born again
1 Pet. 1:3 Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to an incorruptible and undefiled and unfading inheritance. It is reserved in the heavens for you, 5 who are being safeguarded by God’s power through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last period of time.
That is how I know most people telling they are born again are just fantasizing: they never had and do not have any relationship with Jehovah, the Father of Jesus who raised him from the dead. How would they have a new birth from him?
John 6:44 No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him, and I will resurrect him on the last day.
That is how I know most people telling they are born again are just fantasizing: they never had and do not have any relationship with Jehovah, the Father of Jesus who raised him from the dead. How would they have a new birth from him?
John 6:44 No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him, and I will resurrect him on the last day.
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