The 144,000 before God at the end.

[David in NJ]

There was no post flood gathering
Only a pre flood gathering.

Noah was alive during the great tribulation at that time.

Noah was Delivered from wrath Post-Trib.

God's wrath was the Flood.

You need to know what the great tribulation was in Noah's day = "there is nothing new under the sun, what has been will be"

 

[rebuilder 454]

Religion

Where do you see "half filled"

 

[rebuilder 454]

Noah was alive during the great tribulation at that time.

Noah was Delivered from wrath Post-Trib.

God's wrath was the Flood.

You need to know what the great tribulation was in Noah's day = "there is nothing new under the sun, what has been will be"

The 4 horsemen begin the gt.
Judgement begins and increases for 7 years.

 

[ewq1938]

Revelation 13:16
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their

Nothing about being killed if you refuse the mark though.

 

[ewq1938]

Either take the mark or die.

That's not what the bible says.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Noah was alive during the great tribulation at that time.

Noah was Delivered from wrath Post-Trib.

God's wrath was the Flood.

You need to know what the great tribulation was in Noah's day = "there is nothing new under the sun, what has been will be"

The gathering is the rapture.
Noah and lot gathered.
Neither gathered post judgement.

A special problem with noah is that not only was he not gathered post flood, but RETURNED BACK TO EARTH POSTFLOOD/POSTRIB. FROM OVER A MILE INTO THE ATMOSPHERE.
Definately and vividly the pretrib rapture to heaven and return postrib on white horses

 

[rebuilder 454]

Nothing about being killed if you refuse the mark though.

Just take the mark .
It says ALL take it. Just Hope the bible is wrong about the fate of those refusing the mark.
Stop pretending some take it.
But if you change Gods word to "some", that is your business.
Do you have that privilege?

 

[David in NJ]

The 4 horsemen begin the gt.
Judgement begins and increases for 7 years.

Who said 7 years in Revelation?

 

[marks]

The LORD Jesus, the Apostle Paul and the Apostle John all said there would be a 'departure' from the Faith.

Changing God's Word for effect? Poor idea in my estimation!

Much love!

 

[rebuilder 454]

That's not what the bible says.

I can prove it
Rev 15
1And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.
2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
DURING THE TRIB
IN HEAVEN VIA MARTYRDOM.

The bible= take the mark or die.
Ewq= nope the bible is wrong

 

[David in NJ]

The gathering is the rapture.
Noah and lot gathered.
Neither gathered post judgement.

A special problem with noah is that not only was he not gathered post flood, but RETURNED BACK TO EARTH POSTFLOOD/POSTRIB. FROM OVER A MILE INTO THE ATMOSPHERE.
Definately and vividly the pretrib rapture to heaven and return postrib on white horses

The Gathering indeed is the rapture and it ONLY occurs at His Coming = 1 & 2 Thessalonians, Matt ch24 , 1 John , Daniel

 

[rebuilder 454]

Who said 7 years in Revelation?

Ok educate me .

 

[David in NJ]

Changing God's Word for effect? Poor idea in my estimation!

Much love!

Pre-fibbers do that all the time = shame.

You should turn away from the pre-trib lie and turn back to the Truth = 1 Timothy 4:1 , 1 John

"Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith,"

"Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us/depart, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us."

 

[marks]

this is the true heart of the issue.
I would add that there is a worthiness to going in the rapture.
Jesus said
because you have kept the word of my testimony, I will keep you from the hour of Temptation about to come upon the whole Earth
Jesus said pray that you may be counted worthy to escape the things about to come up on the Earth and stand before the son of man
Jesus said in the ten virgins that five were wise and they went in with the bridegroom and that Dynamic is Worthy vs unworthy

To be "kept from the hour . . .", that is, to not be present in that timeframe, means, not being on the earht when it's happening. Now, what could cause that? It could be dying. Or maybe removal?

Much love!

 

[rebuilder 454]

The Gathering indeed is the rapture and it ONLY occurs at His Coming = 1 & 2 Thessalonians, Matt ch24 , 1 John , Daniel

Which gathering in mat 24?
The one after the trib where it is in heaven, not earth, where angels do the gathering?
You just made the case for pretrib rapture.
You think omitting the rapture verses helps your theory?

 

[rebuilder 454]

Pre-fibbers do that all the time = shame.

You should turn away from the pre-trib lie and turn back to the Truth = 1 Timothy 4:1 , 1 John

"Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith,"

"Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us/depart, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us."

General mud slinging.
You can not debate verses?

 

[David in NJ]

Ok educate me .

1st i want to say = Good Morning

Next = i am out the door now for work

3rd = See you when i get back

4th = Have a great Day in the LORD Jesus Christ

5th = Stay close to the His Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth

 

[David in NJ]

General mud slinging.
You can not debate verses?

When you speak the lie of pre-trib you are playing in the 'mud'.

 

[marks]

Pre-fibbers do that all the time = shame.

You can show me where I do that. And then you will have something to say.

I've shown you in this place, and you show no remorse nor repentance, only to project it back on me, whom you call a liar.

So where is the shame? Maybe give this some serious consideration. Handling the Word to your own ends.

Much love, and concern!

 

[rebuilder 454]

The Gathering indeed is the rapture and it ONLY occurs at His Coming = 1 & 2 Thessalonians, Matt ch24 , 1 John , Daniel

Is rev 14 gathering of the 144k the 2nd coming?