The Parable of the workers in the vineyard

[MatthewG]

Before Jesus starts talking about this parable , he talks about how those who followed him (speaking to his disciple who were with him), they left everything and they would be the ones to sit on tweleve thrones and judge the tweleve tribes of isreal. And the. He goes on talking about the parable of the workers in the vineyard.
Matthew 19:23-30;Matthew 20:1-16.

How do you take this Parable?

 

[Sigma]

How do you take this Parable?

I take it the way Jesus meant it. I'll preface by saying in the 1940's Maria Valtorta was chosen by Jesus to be His "pen," to show Her scenes from His public life, beginning with His birth and ending after His resurrection, then write all she heard, saw, and was told by Him to say. All her writings were compiled into a total of five volumes entitled: The Gospels As They Were Revealed To Me, or The Poem of the Man-God. They are a loving gift from Jesus that gives a more detailed look into the stories we read about in the Bible and others, including His telling of the Parable of the Vineyard Laborers to the Phoenicians, or Canaanites, which you can read about in full in The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. III, ch. 328, pp. 164-171. Below is an excerpt and it's Jesus speaking right after He finished telling this parable to the crowd:

I solemnly say to all of you who are listening to Me, that the Father God makes the same agreement with all men and promises the same reward to everybody. Those who serve the Lord diligently will be treated by Him with justice, even if they do little work, being close to death. I solemnly tell you that the first will not always be the first in the Kingdom of Heaven, where we shall see that the last are first and the first are last. We shall see there that men who do not come from Israel are holier than many men of Israel... I have come to call everybody, in the name of God. But, if many are called, few are chosen, because few want Wisdom. He is not wise who lives according to the world and to flesh, but not according to God. He is neither wise for the earth nor for Heaven. Because on the earth he will make enemies, will receive punishment and will feel remorse. And he will lose Heaven forever.

 

[face2face]

I take it the way Jesus meant it. I'll preface by saying in the 1940's Maria Valtorta was chosen by Jesus to be His "pen," to show Her scenes from His public life, beginning with His birth and ending after His resurrection, then write all she heard, saw, and was told by Him to say. All her writings were compiled into a total of five volumes entitled: The Gospels As They Were Revealed To Me, or The Poem of the Man-God. They are a loving gift from Jesus that gives a more detailed look into the stories we read about in the Bible and others, including His telling of the Parable of the Vineyard Laborers to the Phoenicians, or Canaanites, which you can read about in full in The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. III, ch. 328, pp. 164-171. Below is an excerpt and it's Jesus speaking right after He finished telling this parable to the crowd:

Man-made teachings from a waterless cloud.
F2F

 

[MatthewG]

Just looking for insights to what Jesus said.

 

[Sigma]

Just looking for insights to what Jesus said.

See post #2 for Jesus's explanation of the parable.

 

[MatthewG]

Okay thank you for sharing what you believe it to mean, Sigma.

 

[face2face]

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Before Jesus starts talking about this parable , he talks about how those who followed him (speaking to his disciple who were with him), they left everything and they would be the ones to sit on tweleve thrones and judge the tweleve tribes of isreal. And the. He goes on talking about the parable of the workers in the vineyard.
Matthew 19:23-30;Matthew 20:1-16.

How do you take this Parable?

What part of the parable are you interested in Matt?

 

[MatthewG]

What part of the parable are you interested in Matt?

The whole thing. If you would like to share please feel free to F2f.

 

[face2face]

The whole thing. If you would like to share please feel free to F2f.

Peters question is the context to this parable.

Peter answered him, “We have left everything to follow you! What then will there be for us?”

In measure this was true enough - they had left all as per Luke 5:11, 28 and the Lord acknowledged
this in Luke 22:28:

But I am among you as one who serves. 28 You are those who have stood by me in my trials.

However,

And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That you who have "followed me” - they followed, but it was the choice and permission of the Lord, not them! John 6:68-70.

Then Jesus replied, “Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!”

And then you have those last verses of Matthew 19 which provided the context for the parable in chapter 20.

“Truly, I say to you, in the new world (Kingdom Age on Earth), when the Son of Man will sit on his glorious throne (King Davids Throne), you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29 And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands, for my name’s sake, will receive a hundredfold and will inherit eternal life. 30 But many who are first will be last, and the last first.

Fairly straight forward really - do you have any queries on the above?

First will be last is the principle being taught to Peter - more on this to come!

F2F

 

[MatthewG]

Peters question is the context to this parable.

Peter answered him, “We have left everything to follow you! What then will there be for us?”

In measure this was true enough - they had left all as per Luke 5:11, 28 and the Lord acknowledged
this in Luke 22:28:

But I am among you as one who serves. 28 You are those who have stood by me in my trials.

However,

And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That you who have "followed me” - they followed, but it was the choice and permission of the Lord, not them! John 6:68-70.

Then Jesus replied, “Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!”

And then you have those last verses of Matthew 19 which provided the context for the parable in chapter 20.

“Truly, I say to you, in the new world (Kingdom Age on Earth), when the Son of Man will sit on his glorious throne (King Davids Throne), you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29 And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands, for my name’s sake, will receive a hundredfold and will inherit eternal life. 30 But many who are first will be last, and the last first.

Fairly straight forward really - do you have any queries on the above?

First will be last is the principle being taught to Peter - more on this to come!

F2F

No.

 

[face2face]

No.

Can you see in Matthew 19:1 “For the kingdom of heaven

So the word "for" connects the parable to Peters question.

The Lord is not finished with teaching Peter and the others this valuable lesson.

Peter in asking this, “What shall we have therefore” Matt 19:27… and Jesus teaching him the “First shall be last” Read Matt 19:30 and Matt 20:16 for reference.

Peter had a few things going on which needed adjustment. He saw God’s rewards too much in light of debts due, rather than gifts given freely.

He also compared the disciples with the rich young ruler, as to their relative value as servants of God. However all are “unprofitable” Luke 17:10. So you also, when you have done everything you were told to do, should say, ‘We are unworthy servants; we have only done our duty.

In laying a claim, he questioned God’s sovereign right to do what he will with his own, Rom 4:4 4 Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation.

This Parable is going to bring Peter into line with Jesus' understanding of how God's blessings work. God rewards those who earnestly seek him...which is a strong lesson of the Parable.

Unlike the flesh...Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, BUT the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Is this making sense?

F2F

 

[MatthewG]

There are a lot of things, Jesus says, @face2face, and other things said in the bible.

Good for you as an individual to study, and seek out God in faith.
Same for anyone to study.

 

[face2face]

There are a lot of things, Jesus says, @face2face, and other things said in the bible.

Good for you as an individual to study, and seek out God in faith.
Same for anyone to study.

Let's start with Matt 20:1

For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard

Why ealry in the morning?
And what's the significance of the vineyard?

F2F

 

[MatthewG]

I was just asking for people to answer the question to the parable people can people may not people may want to study. I’m just looking for just what people think about it.

 

[mailmandan]

The message in verse 16, “the last will be first, and the first last,” is that no matter how long or how hard a believer works during his lifetime, the gift of eternal life will be the same given to all believers. The thief on the cross died the same day of his conversion yet he received the gift of eternal life just as the apostle Paul who labored for years did. Scripture also teaches that there are different degrees of reward based on our works (1 Corinthians 3:11-15) but the gift of eternal life itself will be received by all believers equally.

 

[face2face]

I was just asking for people to answer the question to the parable people can people may not people may want to study. I’m just looking for just what people think about it.

Can you see what happened there Matt? You didn't want to enter the Word and pulled back, maybe for fear of "being taught" something or the discovery that you don't know a thing. Christians really struggle just to study together and allow the Word of God to shine. The Master framed every parable carefully to ensure the lessons were communicated to those who would inquire of him. To shrink back from the Word is dangerous and to simply seek peoples views even more so.
F2F

 

[MatthewG]

Face2face, I just choose whatever I want.

 

[MatthewG]

The message in verse 16, “the last will be first, and the first last,” is that no matter how long or how hard a believer works during his lifetime, the gift of eternal life will be the same given to all believers. The thief on the cross died the same day of his conversion yet he received the gift of eternal life just as the apostle Paul who labored for years did. Scripture also teaches that there are different degrees of reward based on our works (1 Corinthians 3:11-15) but the gift of eternal life itself will be received by all believers equally.

Thank you for sharing.

 

[Saint of Light]

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Before Jesus starts talking about this parable , he talks about how those who followed him (speaking to his disciple who were with him), they left everything and they would be the ones to sit on tweleve thrones and judge the tweleve tribes of isreal. And the. He goes on talking about the parable of the workers in the vineyard.
Matthew 19:23-30;Matthew 20:1-16.

How do you take this Parable?

I interpret that parable to mean all Christians basically get the same reward regardless of when they came to know God, that reward being salvation. It makes perfect sense: Going to heaven isn’t intended to be a competition based on who becomes a Christian at the earliest stage of life; it’s meant for all who believe irrespective of when they become believers.

 

[MatthewG]

I interpret that parable to mean all Christians basically get the same reward regardless of when they came to know God, that reward being salvation. It makes perfect sense: Going to heaven isn’t intended to be a competition based on who becomes a Christian at the earliest stage of life; it’s meant for all who believe irrespective of when they become believers.

Salvation being the reward thats awesome.


Does anyone here believe that there are better resurrections than the normal one or the condemend one?


While perhaps that is the lesson (all christians recieve the same reward), salvation.

Are there different spiritual bodies? Resurrection bodies that people can obtain, like Paul, who desired the resurrection from the dead?