Homosexuality: Wrong or Right?

[Taken]

Yes, God made them how they are. He made them male and female. He made them to be married to each other and to sleep with each other. He didn't make them oriented to the same sex. That is absurd.

Agree.

Whether God damns a person is up to God. What we know, from scripture, is that homosexuality is no different from any other kind of sinful lifestyle with regard to damnation. Homosexuality is not a special kind of sin. If God forgives and saves sinners, (which he does) then God forgives and saves homosexuals.

Yes God Is the Giver and Taker of Life.
Yes God Is the FORGIVER.
Yes the FORGIVEN and Restored, Made anew….Shall forever be WITH God.
Yes the UN-FORGIVEN Shall forever be (not forgiven, not restored, not Made anew, not remembered) and WITHOUT God.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Wrangler]

Yes the UN-FORGIVEN Shall forever be (not forgiven, not restored, not Made anew, not remembered) and ...

... and dead.

Their claims of 'rights' will not be heard by their Creator. They do not have the right to do wrong in his eyes without eternal consequences.

 

[amigo de christo]

The one caveat is that God only saves repentant sinners. The alphabet people are proud of their ongoing sin.

It is said that Jesus hung out with sinners but the truth is he hung out with repentant sinners. Big difference!

And also notice any time Jesus saw error HE did correct it . Todays evangelism is dead .
IT acts as though JESUS partied it up with Sinners accepting their sin and never correcting it .
He always corrected error .

 

[amigo de christo]

... and dead.

Their claims of 'rights' will not be heard by their Creator. They do not have the right to do wrong in his eyes without eternal consequences.

Yep.
again todays message is the false one . It focuses on humanities so called rights . And not rather On what GOD calls right
They are defending sin , the right to sin , to honor sin , to celebrate sin .
If folks would bother to open and read the scriptures they would see Christ nor the early church EVER dared to do such a thing .
With the true church it was CORRECT sin , expose the error . Today its become ACCEPT IT in the name of this so called
inclusive love stuff . The world has NOT THE RIGHT to determine what is right or wrong .
GOD ALONE DOES . And we can easilyread what HE said and later paul and others .
GOD alone determines that which is right . What HE has called sin , let no man embrace or honor it .
Rather let all who name the name of CHRIST depart from inquity .

 

[amigo de christo]

Agree.

Yes God Is the Giver and Taker of Life.
Yes God Is the FORGIVER.
Yes the FORGIVEN and Restored, Made anew….Shall forever be WITH God.
Yes the UN-FORGIVEN Shall forever be (not forgiven, not restored, not Made anew, not remembered) and WITHOUT God.

Glory to God,
Taken

Yes . and now a reminder .
Dont be decieved , GOD will not be mocked .
He who sows to the flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption
but he who sows to the SPIRIT shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting .
These folks are trying to get us to HONOR inquity .
He who honors SIN knows not Christ . And that is a fact .
Many sow to the flesh , calling evil good and good evil then GO to churches
and Sing praises to GOD . We might want to read what GOD himself told the jews who did this .
God wont be mocked .

 

[amigo de christo]

Open your ears. I was simply stating a FACT. No naturally born person CHOOSES own their Gender!
The Choosing of ones truth OR pretense, OCCURS after their natural Birth!

I find “hating” exactly what that means…
WHICH IS:
A “strong dis-like”….
Do you “LIKE” the minority of men naturally born with deformed limbs? Rare diseases? addictions? I don’t…and THEY are a minority.



So? I am Converted IN Christ, and as well in a minority class of Few…..So what?

The what, IS the difference in and of the individual Choices an individual MAKES regarding their natural born body’s Gender.

You think the Minority of ANY “grouping” (or supporter thereof) IS given some sort of magical pass to NOT BE criticized or openly disagreed with? That is laughable on it’s face.

If you think it commendable to engage in or otherwise support homosexuality that is your personal choice, and my disagreement with your choices is Expressly parallel with the truth of God, which I am Expressly comfortable with, regardless of your name calling.

Thats right my friend . GOD made us . We are not GOD . Though many try and act as though they are indeed .
I am GOD they cry in heart , I determine what MY SEX is and NOT GOD . That is a dire fearful place to be my friend .
THUS sayeth THE LORD GOD ALL MIGHTY
has now become thus sayeth the ME ALL MIGHTY . AINT LOOKING GOOD nor will it bode well on the DAY OF THE TRUE
CREATOR .

 

[amigo de christo]

The one caveat is that God only saves repentant sinners. The alphabet people are proud of their ongoing sin.

It is said that Jesus hung out with sinners but the truth is he hung out with repentant sinners. Big difference!

What we are witnessing is a global romans one level reprobation setting in amongst the nations .
They desired no reminder of GOD in their conscious and thus ................
well we can go read romans one and see what occurs . As for the lambs , let all who name the name of Christ
depart from inquity , NOT HONORING IT .

 

[Sigma]

You need to keep people's expectations in mind, if you are going to lie? My expectation is that my body is my prerogative. You may wish I was more chaste than I am, but that is none of your business.

I understand that you don't know what it means to be clean. I don't hate you for that. Just be wary of doing the Devil's work, because you are convinced that you should know better.

You're the steward of your body and soul.

I'm sure you're aware in Scripture it shows that God created man and woman, not man and man, nor woman and woman, to become one in chastity and marriage, and procreate.

I'm sure you're aware that lust of the flesh is a sin and to be avoided by all souls, whether they have a biological disorder of same sex attraction or not, whether married or not.

Whether you have a biological disorder of same sex attraction or not, if you know that lust of the flesh is a sin, then you know what to try not to do.

Whether you have a biological disorder of same sex attraction or not, God loves you, and as long as you obey His commandments, etc., and persevere in that until you transition into the eternal, you will join Him in Heaven.

All biological disorders of the body are temporal. The spiritual order or disorder of the soul is eternal.

 

[BarneyFife]

I heard a reputable doctor who has great success in treating depression and anxiety and is also president of an accredited university say recently that hormones like dopamine have a setpoint in the brain, like a median or average that gets lowered every time any kind of sexual intimacy takes place that stimulates in a manner other than the stimulation that takes place with penile-vaginal intercourse (PVI) with a frequency of 4 to 7 days in between occurrences. 4 is acceptable but 7-day rests seem to have advantages.

(Some will insist that such a state of things would be an imposition on Christian liberty. Frankly, I'm getting tired of such childish protests and am less and less interested in or inclined to address them lately. We have a heaven to win and a hell to shun—let every man do his level best to help others and himself to succeed.)

Needless to say, you'll find this kind of information nowhere in popular media because broadcasting it would effectively cancel the profitability of the increasingly prolific LGBT image and practice full stop.

Doubtless, calls will be made to verify the source of this information and I don't know that I would care to subject them to the kind of vomit and defecation that always follows such a revelation, at least, on an open forum.

I would gladly entertain trustworthy, non-hostile private inquiries if any such interest were shown. And I don't care how scoffers feel about this, either.

(The information is not private but it is not exactly easily searchable, either.)

But I would warn that heterosexual Christians are not at all without blame for the sensuality that now prevails in society, and those who engage in researching and treating those who over-indulge (and thus make shipwreck of their physical, mental, and spiritual health) are none too careful to spare their feelings nor to entertain their opinions.

Also, it might be worth noting that the source (which has no exclusive claim on such info, btw) is part of a larger, whole-person (physical, mental, spiritual) system of health all of which overlap, for which I make no concessions or apologies.

Joh 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

.

 

[Taken]

... and dead.

Their claims of 'rights' will not be heard by their Creator. They do not have the right to do wrong in his eyes without eternal consequences.

Correct…Without His Forgiveness, He will not Give His Offering of Forever WITH Him.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Yes . and now a reminder .
Dont be decieved , GOD will not be mocked .
He who sows to the flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption
but he who sows to the SPIRIT shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting .
These folks are trying to get us to HONOR inquity .
He who honors SIN knows not Christ . And that is a fact .
Many sow to the flesh , calling evil good and good evil then GO to churches
and Sing praises to GOD . We might want to read what GOD himself told the jews who did this .
God wont be mocked .

Correct…those who Stand Against Gods Word…Personally OR by Supporting those WHO Stand Against Gods Word…Are regarded as “Personally Standing Against God”…

No doubt men CAN (while alive in their flesh)…Jump the LINE back and forth….

Fact is IF they Jumped the LINE and Are Against God at the moment of their Physical bodily Death….”damned” is their destiny.

There IS a LINE. There IS NO FENSE to perch on and hope to Jump on the Side of Righteousness … Less of course You are one who knows the moment your bodily death shall occur.

Clearly As Scripture Says…

Rom 1:
[32] Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Matt 12:
[30] He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[TinMan]

Huh? The opposite of xeno. The fear of the near and familiar.

And your answer is …

I can't post my response to you as it would violate the site rules

 

[TinMan]

Being part of a minority does not make their actions moral.

Marginalizing a minority is not moral.

 

[TinMan]

In a general sense, Some “persons” want, desire, demand RESPECT, simply BECAUSE they ARE a “person”.

Doesn't everyone deserve respect?

Scripture reveals Gods position on “RESPECT” of Persons, simply Because they ARE a “person”.

Rom 2
[11] For there is no respect of persons with God.

To God it matters NOT WHO the “person” is;
Jew or Gentile…

[12] For (Because) as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
[13] (For (Because)not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
[14] For (Because)when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
[15] Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, (their natural spirit) their conscience (their soul) also bearing witness, and their thoughts (their bodily mind) the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
[16] In the day when God shall judge the (spirit and soul) and body) secrets of men (spirit and soul and body) by
[9] Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
[10] But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
[11] For there is no respect of persons with God.
[12] For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
[13] (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
[14] For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
[15] Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, (their spirit) their conscience (their soul) also bearing witness, and their thoughts (their bodily mind) the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;
[16] In the day when God shall judge the (spirit’s, soul’s, mind’s) secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

A man’s spirit (truth in his heart).
A man’s soul (conscience).
A man’s body (mind)….
IS ONLY FULLY KNOWN, by the Lord God and the man himself.
(1 Cor 2:11)

Men “respecting” men, simply because they ARE a man (ie A person) is without merit.

Men are LIMITED / unknowing of “secret facts” of another whole man (spirit, soul, bodily mind).

Men CAN Agree, Disagree, with what a mans Bodily Mind’s thoughts Speaks forth.

Men CAN Have and INDICATION that which a mans Bodily Mind’s thoughts Speaks forth…
IS IN AGREEMENT with THAT Speaking man’s spirit and conscience, which such AGREEMENT may or may NOT be true.

Even God Himself DOES NOT “JUDGE” the WHOLE (body, soul, spirit) OF a man…
UNTIL ….
AFTER ALL bodies ARE physically DEAD…
AND
ON JUDGEMENT Day.

A Physically bodily DEAD man, IS NO LONGER on that day called “a person” For (BECAUSE) a “Person” IS a Naturally Living body, with it’s Living soul “IN” it’s Living body.

A Naturally Living Body’s LIFE is it’s BLOOD.
(And God Requires the BLOOD LIFE of EVERY person.) Gen 9:5
Once that BODY’s LIFE (BLOOD) is Dead…that BLOOD LIFE, Never returns to that Body.

Men are LIMITED to KNOW the WHOLE of another man….
Men CAN “respect” or “disrespect” the WORKS of another man, WHILE not respecting the WHOLE of the other, simply Because he is a man.


I am not inclined to Respect your views or your works regarding homosexuality.
And that is simply called we Disagree.

as I am not inclined to respect your views or the hate you present here. And yes it is hate. If you were making these posts about anyone else it would be called hate and rightfully so.

 

[TinMan]

It’s NOT respectful to go along with pretending one’s mental illness regarding homosexuality is normal, healthy or right.

I have never known you to be respectful. and your constant false witness about this minority just highlights that.

 

[TinMan]

Yes, God made them how they are. He made them male and female. He made them to be married to each other and to sleep with each other. He didn't make them oriented to the same sex. That is absurd.

Whether God damns a person is up to God. What we know, from scripture, is that homosexuality is no different from any other kind of sinful lifestyle with regard to damnation. Homosexuality is not a special kind of sin. If God forgives and saves sinners, (which he does) then God forgives and saves homosexuals.

Paul argues that mankind has unjustly suppressed knowledge concerning the one true God in favor of imaginary gods. And for this reason, God gave them over to a depraved mind. He offers homosexuality, not as the greatest of sins, but as clear evidence of a depraved mind. Homosexuals are delusional. In order to serve their pleasure, they must force themselves to hold false beliefs or judgments about their existence that are held despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.

If Paul were alive today, he might have spoken about so-called "transgender" individuals who are also delusional, holding false beliefs about themselves contrary to incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.

Yes, God created them male and female. Sexual deviants are unwilling to admit the truth about themselves for whatever reason, choosing to become delusional in their thinking in order to satisfy their lusts.

and the truth is they are exactly as God intended.

 

[TinMan]

Open your ears. I was simply stating a FACT. No naturally born person CHOOSES own their Gender! .

Gender is not sexual orientation

The Choosing of ones truth OR pretense, OCCURS after their natural Birth!

I find “hating” exactly what that means…
WHICH IS:
A “strong dis-like”….
Do you “LIKE” the minority of men naturally born with deformed limbs? Rare diseases? addictions? I don’t…and THEY are a minority.




So? I am Converted IN Christ, and as well in a minority class of Few…..So what?

The what, IS the difference in and of the individual Choices an individual MAKES regarding their natural born body’s Gender.

You think the Minority of ANY “grouping” (or supporter thereof) IS given some sort of magical pass to NOT BE criticized or openly disagreed with? That is laughable on it’s face.

If you think it commendable to engage in or otherwise support homosexuality that is your personal choice, and my disagreement with your choices is Expressly parallel with the truth of God, which I am Expressly comfortable with, regardless of your name calling.

Yet you are all to happy to engage in hateful name calling of a minority.

Yes I engage with people who are LGBT. Yes I support them in their struggle to live their lives and yes confront those who attack and promote hatred towards them. I also do the same with people who have different skin colors or how rely on wheelchairs to get around or those who don't practice the same religion I do. And yes that is my choice to exactly that and I truly sorry that you choose the opposite.

 

[TinMan]

I dont understand orientation

my people had chains work all day no money eat little sleep little whipp all the time die when they are young

Lgbt sexual imoral people live like that?

Do you live like that?

LGBT people died in the gas chambers of the Nazi's concentration camps.

They were strapped down to operating tables and watched as doctors used a hammer to pound iron spikes into their skulls.

They were and are kicked out of their homes as children by their loving parents.

They were and are killed by their loving parents making their deaths look like suicide.

did your people live like that?

 

[TinMan]

I heard a reputable doctor who has great success in treating depression and anxiety and is also president of an accredited university say recently that hormones like dopamine have a setpoint in the brain, like a median or average that gets lowered every time any kind of sexual intimacy takes place that stimulates in a manner other than the stimulation that takes place with penile-vaginal intercourse (PVI) with a frequency of 4 to 7 days in between occurrences. 4 is acceptable but 7-day rests seem to have advantages.

(Some will insist that such a state of things would be an imposition on Christian liberty. Frankly, I'm getting tired of such childish protests and am less and less interested in or inclined to address them lately. We have a heaven to win and a hell to shun—let every man do his level best to help others and himself to succeed.)

Needless to say, you'll find this kind of information nowhere in popular media because broadcasting it would effectively cancel the profitability of the increasingly prolific LGBT image and practice full stop.

Doubtless, calls will be made to verify the source of this information and I don't know that I would care to subject them to the kind of vomit and defecation that always follows such a revelation, at least, on an open forum.

I would gladly entertain trustworthy, non-hostile private inquiries if any such interest were shown. And I don't care how scoffers feel about this, either.

(The information is not private but it is not exactly easily searchable, either.)

But I would warn that heterosexual Christians are not at all without blame for the sensuality that now prevails in society, and those who engage in researching and treating those who over-indulge (and thus make shipwreck of their physical, mental, and spiritual health) are none too careful to spare their feelings nor to entertain their opinions.

Also, it might be worth noting that the source (which has no exclusive claim on such info, btw) is part of a larger, whole-person (physical, mental, spiritual) system of health all of which overlap, for which I make no concessions or apologies.

Joh 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

.

Reputable doctor's have names and reputable people don't hide those names

 

[Wrangler]

I have never known you to be respectful.

I'm OK with that since your moral poles are reversed.

Let's put your comment into perspective, shall we? You come to a Christian site and bash Christian morals and Christians who follow the morals as expressed by God. You aren't getting the reaction from me or others and double down on all your nonsense.