In response to a question I was asked. Who created OSAS.

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Eternally Grateful

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You're just flat wrong. Read the chapter.
You run to earn a reward.

I read the chapter. it is talking about people who are already saved. who are running the race set before them, By continuing to trust God not just for salvation. but in areas of their lives.

they will be rewarded.

then are not running to get saved.

they are already saved.

Please do not talk to me this way again, I do not talk to people who think they know it all.
 

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You run to earn a reward.

I read the chapter. it is talking about people who are already saved. who are running the race set before them, By continuing to trust God not just for salvation. but in areas of their lives.

they will be rewarded.

then are not running to get saved.

they are already saved.

Please do not talk to me this way again, I do not talk to people who think they know it all.
I don't know it all. I just think I read the chapter and the one before it.

It doesn't seem like you did to me. Or, if you did perhaps you didn't understand it?
 

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I read them

Is salvation a gift.

or is it a reward.

can you please answer the question. Or I will move on
Salvation is a state of being safe, that results from God's action.

Perhaps you should move on. You don't seem to be able to consider any alternative to the dichotomy you offered up, neither of which quite hits at it.
 

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I wanted to share a thought. Yesterday as I was leaving. I was asked a question, Who created OSAS? My answer was God. Sadly I was in a hurry (I was already 5 minutes past the time I should have left) and did not give it more thought. But then on my way home. I was thinking. The word OSAS is not in the bible. So how can we say God created it. Also. I was asked to prove it in the bible.. How can I when the word or acronym (which is what it really is) is not in scripture.

So this morning, something woke me up at 2: 30 AM. And I got to thinking about this. Wanted to share my thoughts.

While the Acronym OSAS may not be in scripture. The word Trinity is not either, Yet we can show that there is evidence the trinity is true. When I look back on my many years in Christian chat rooms. I think of the many times I have heard the term OSAS. When I think about why the word was used, I saw that most of the time the term was used, It was used as a derogatory anti-Calvin term. or that the term gives people a license to sin.

The term may be related to the P in Tulip. Which states a saint will persevere. Well this is a flawed statement, It is in response to Armenian thought we must persevere till the end. The problem is it depends on self. For a doctrine that rejects all aspects of free will or works, it resorts to an argument that we will work to keep ourself in the faith. This is not what scripture teaches.

Any way, this is beside the point. We are not arguing Calvin theology, if anyone wishes to open a thread. I will gladly show how every point of TULIP is flawed.

I personally do not open threads or talk about a belief in OSAS.. nor does it really even make sense. I know one guy in one chatroom that every other thread he started was an OSAS thread (for) and a lot of it was out of anger..which is a second thing I notice about this term. Some of the most heated arguments and hateful words I have ever seen in a Christian room are over this term. I have literally seen people from both sides get so out of hand. Mods have to shut down the threads. And I have seen many of them get banned from that chat room. Why is this? Are we not supposed to be brothers and sisters? Why does it instill such deep emotion and anger is many good people? Is it because of the Arminian/Calvin debate? Is it because it concerns the gospel, and no one likes to be told they are wrong? Why is this? ( I must confess I have also been drawn to anger over this discussion. so I am not trying to blame everyone else. I am guilty as well)
You gave the correct and only right answer! god declared and wrote down OSAS. The Scriptures declare it unambiguously. All those who believe they can lose their salvation think that because of a wrong understanding of certain verses.
 

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Salvation is a state of being safe, that results from God's action.

Perhaps you should move on. You don't seem to be able to consider any alternative to the dichotomy you offered up, neither of which quite hits at it.
I am more than safe. I am secure. I am confident in the promise that God has saved me. And that there is nothing I can add to the gospel of grace that can save me, Keep me saved., or keep me from losing salvation.

There is no alternate gospel there is only 2 ways to heaven accordingb to scripture

1. The law (we failed this)

2. Grace - In Christ alone

you want to run to stay saved. feel free.. Count me out.
 
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