The 144,000 before God at the end.

[Zao is life]

The ark did not leave the earth.

So Noah and his family and all the animals in it drowned. Did the ark have holes in it so that it could not float on the water far above the surface of the earth?

 

[rwb]

So Noah and his family and all the animals in it drowned. Did the ark have holes in it so that it could not float on the water far above the surface of the earth?

I have no idea of what you are responding to???

The water flooded the earth! The ark was adrift upon the water that covered the surface of the earth. The ark was lifted up as the waters increased. It was not lifted off the earth, but above the earth as the flood water upon the surface of the earth increased until the water covered every high hill upon the whole earth that were under heaven and covered with the waters of the flood.

Genesis 7:10 (KJV) And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

Genesis 7:17 (KJV) And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.
Genesis 7:18-19 (KJV) And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters. And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

The ark saved only Noah and his family along with every living creature that was in the ark, that was adrift upon the water that covered the entire surface of the earth. Those who were saved through the flood by the ark were not taken off the earth, as through being raptured from the earth. None will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air until Christ comes again.

 

[David in NJ]

The more you talk about people's ethnicity the more you are exposing the fact that your mind is set on the things of the flesh, not on the things of the Spirit.

Have you noticed the common theme of all falsehoods/cults/erroneous teachings?

At all cost, they protect the falsehood and it's leaders by human manipulation of the Holy Scriptures.

Versus fearing God and with the HIGHEST reverence of His Word = Proverbs 30:5-6 , Revelation 22:18

 

[ewq1938]

Have you noticed the common theme of all falsehoods/cults/erroneous teachings?

I have noticed that all of them have similar teachings about the antichrist.

Doctrines like Pre-trib teach the church will be gone, so they don't worry about the antichrist or look for any of the signs of his arrival.

Various forms of Preterism and Amillennialism teach the antichrist already came in the past so there is not need to watch for him now.


They all share the similarity of teaching that there is no need to watch for the antichrist. Seems like a great thing for satan to introduce into the churches so his antichrist (whoever he is) can slip right in and possibly deceive those not watching. The antichrist is also know as a false christ and that is the most dangerous thing not to be knowledgeable about in the endtimes because of the apostasia (the Apostasy).

So, not watching for the antichrist can result in one being deceiving and committing Apostasy.

All false doctrines teach some version of doctrine where it's adherents need not worry about or watch for the antichrist. That is extremely dangerous. Beware!

 

[David in NJ]

I have noticed that all of them have similar teachings about the antichrist.

Doctrines like Pre-trib teach the church will be gone, so they don't worry about the antichrist or look for any of the signs of his arrival.

Various forms of Preterism and Amillennialism teach the antichrist already came in the past so there is not need to watch for him now.


They all share the similarity of teaching that there is no need to watch for the antichrist. Seems like a great thing for satan to introduce into the churches so his antichrist (whoever he is) can slip right in and possibly deceive those not watching. The antichrist is also know as a false christ and that is the most dangerous thing not to be knowledgeable about in the endtimes because of the apostasia (the Apostasy).

So, not watching for the antichrist can result in one being deceiving and committing Apostasy.

All false doctrines teach some version of doctrine where it's adherents need not worry about or watch for the antichrist. That is extremely dangerous. Beware!

i AGREE with everything in your Post here = Thank You

My perspective is based on this what Jesus said, "Be sly as serpents but harmless as a Dove"

What do i mean by this? = Believe not every word but try the spirits(teachings) to see if they agree with God's VERY SPECIFIC words.
If there is an aspect that contradicts what God has said, then we are obligated to do further investigation/study/prayer/patience to allow God, via His Holy Spirit, to open both the Scriptures and our minds as to which is Holy and True versus that which is man and opinionated.

ALSO = It is REQUIRED that a person seeking Truth, to humble themselves before the LORD in order to receive that which HE directs.

 

[covenantee]

I have noticed that all of them have similar teachings about the antichrist.

Doctrines like Pre-trib teach the church will be gone, so they don't worry about the antichrist or look for any of the signs of his arrival.

Various forms of Preterism and Amillennialism teach the antichrist already came in the past so there is not need to watch for him now.


They all share the similarity of teaching that there is no need to watch for the antichrist. Seems like a great thing for satan to introduce into the churches so his antichrist (whoever he is) can slip right in and possibly deceive those not watching. The antichrist is also know as a false christ and that is the most dangerous thing not to be knowledgeable about in the endtimes because of the apostasia (the Apostasy).

So, not watching for the antichrist can result in one being deceiving and committing Apostasy.

All false doctrines teach some version of doctrine where it's adherents need not worry about or watch for the antichrist. That is extremely dangerous. Beware!

The dispensational delusion of a single future antichrist originated in the Jesuit arm of the historical apostate papacy in an attempt to defeat the Reformation.

It failed. The Reformers accurately recognized said apostate papacy as one of the many antichrists that John warned would appear in the last time, and were already present. 1 John 2:18

Likewise, the Church today and into the future needs to be continuously vigilant to recognize them as they appear.

 

[Zao is life]

Have you noticed the common theme of all falsehoods/cults/erroneous teachings?

At all cost, they protect the falsehood and it's leaders by human manipulation of the Holy Scriptures.

Versus fearing God and with the HIGHEST reverence of His Word = Proverbs 30:5-6 , Revelation 22:18

Yes, I've noticed their human manipulation of the Holy Scriptures. It's shocking and shameful, and you aptly call it human manipulation of the Holy Scriptures because that's what it is that they all engage in (and there are many of them).

They don't understand the true meaning of Proverbs 3:5 either.

 

[rebuilder 454]

@rebuilder 454 please answer the challenge in bold at the bottom of the above post. Prove you 'crack open your Bible' before posting a load of nonsense in Christianity Boards.

Yes i see your discorse on that word.
The Question is, find two scriptures with the word tribulation?

Are you serious?
You think you proved something??????

 

[rebuilder 454]

Yes, I've noticed their human manipulation of the Holy Scriptures. It's shocking and shameful, and you aptly call it human manipulation of the Holy Scriptures because that's what it is that they all engage in (and there are many of them).

They don't understand the true meaning of Proverbs 3:5 either.

"Before the flood" is so easy and plain to grasp that a kindergartner can understand it.
You guys are in a big struggle over a no brainer.
Then go on to point at others as defective complete with backslaps for a show.
Just plain rediculous.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Yes, I've noticed their human manipulation of the Holy Scriptures. It's shocking and shameful, and you aptly call it human manipulation of the Holy Scriptures because that's what it is that they all engage in (and there are many of them).

They don't understand the true meaning of Proverbs 3:5 either.

When you notice your doctrines destruction, which is evident by your departure from actually debating the bible,then your observation will be credible.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The dispensational delusion of a single future antichrist originated in the Jesuit arm of the historical apostate papacy in an attempt to defeat the Reformation.

It failed. The Reformers accurately recognized said apostate papacy as one of the many antichrists that John warned would appear in the last time, and were already present. 1 John 2:18

Likewise, the Church today and into the future needs to be continuously vigilant to recognize them as they appear.

The delusion of a word being a bogeyman is the foundation and banner of your rabbit trails.
Your entire doctrine is a string of one liners.
Reframed meanings.

 

[rebuilder 454]

No one is Israel just because he is a physical descendant of Israel. Not all are Abraham's seed. Millions of Gentiles who do not believe in Jesus have one of the twelve tribes of Israel in the ancestral genetic make up. Does that make them Israel too?

We all can see that your pivot point smoking gun is that there is no such thing as a Jew.
Got it.
SMH

 

[rebuilder 454]

In saying the Jew "is only removed for a season", I'm assuming you are basing that comment on this passage from Ro 11.

Romans 11:25-27 (KJV) For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

In saying "he is only removed for a season", you imply the time/day will come when "all Israel shall be saved" speaks of ethnic Jews, am I correctly understanding your doctrine here? If I am, how do you explain "all Israel shall be saved" comes to fullness because Gentiles have come into the same good olive tree as they? Does that not mean "all Israel shall be saved" are not ethnic Jews, but rather "Israel of God" that includes both Jew and Gentiles of faith?

IOW "all Israel that shall be saved" has absolutely nothing to do with ethnicity as you imagine but is according to grace through faith to whosoever among mankind believes! No replacing of ethnic Jews, rather proving that since the advent of Christ come to earth a man the way to salvation is open to ALL who believe, that the Church does not replace Jews of faith, but rather includes Gentiles of faith into the Kingdom of God TOGETHER with them so they might be ONE Body of believers in Christ Jesus, our Lord.

AHEM, Who woudda thought "Israel" referred to Ethnic Jews???
....but you need it to do just that huh?

 

[Zao is life]

We all can see that your pivot point smoking gun is that there is no such thing as a Jew.
Got it.
SMH

You're talking to yourself. Is this what Dispensationalists normally do?

 

[rebuilder 454]

None of anything you have ever said was biblical or made any sense. You still have not answered this post because you know perfectly well that you can't because nothing you say is based on the Bible.

address what? The word "tribulation"?
What about it?
We can all see it in the bible.
We all see it
We all acknowledged it

 

[Zao is life]

AHEM, Who woudda thought "Israel" referred to Ethnic Jews???
....but you need it to do just that huh?

Israel never ever did refer to ethnic Jews. Israel did not have only one son. He had twelve sons.

 

[rebuilder 454]

None of anything you have ever said was biblical or made any sense. You still have not answered this post because you know perfectly well that you can't because nothing you say is based on the Bible.

Rev 14
Mat 24
Mat 25.
All brought to the table.
You declare those declarations in Gods word make no sense.
Got it

 

[Zao is life]

address what? The word "tribulation"?
What about it?
We can all see it in the bible.
We all see it
We all acknowledged it

What do the words "the tribulation" refer to in the New Testament? I listed all the verses for you in the entire New Testament.

Crack open your Bible now and go do some studying of it so you can give an accurate answer.

 

[The Light]

No, it doesn't. Not one time is the rapture spoken of or described to be before the trib starts. It's always after the trib has ended. There are not 2 end times raptures of the saints either.

You haven't figured out that Christ has set up His kingdom on earth when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord. If you can't get answer when it is given to you, how would you expect............

 

[rebuilder 454]

Israel never ever did refer to ethnic Jews. Israel did not have only one son. He had twelve sons.

Oh i am sure when you see "Israel" you immediately see "gentiles" and "church"
Got it