Can someone come to my rescue here? HA. Is there a debate here regarding the Jews of today ( those living in Israel right now )
NOT being the CHOSEN ones?? Is this what is being discussed? Just trying to keep up with the latest part of this conversation and
I am not understanding. Gosh my mind is simple. HA. I am of the belief that the Jew's are God's chosen people... and a Christian Jew is called a Messianic Jew ... and that the rest of us Christians who are NOT jews are called Gentiles?
I know it's not anyone's job to educate me... I am just asking for the sake of keeping up with conversation. I am not understanding what the issue is with the Israel of today.
Romans 9, God has called some jews and some gentiles to be the vessels of His mercy to be saved.
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What if God, wanting to show
His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As He says also in Hosea:
“I will call them My people, who were not My people,
And her beloved, who was not beloved.”
26 “And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them,
‘You
are not My people,’
There they shall be called sons of the living God.”
27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel:
“Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea,
The remnant will be saved.
28 For [
b]He will finish the work and cut
it short in righteousness,
Because the Lord will make a short work upon the earth.”
29 And as Isaiah said before:
“Unless the Lord of [
c]Sabaoth had left us a seed,
We would have become like Sodom,
And we would have been made like Gomorrah.”
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If it was not for the mercy of God, all of the jews would have died and gone to hell, but God saved a remnant of them.
Then in Romans 11, you learn a lot more about these things and the future for the jews
Truth is God does not cast away HIS people whom He foreknew, they all get saved, the key is understanding he foreknew them as His people, but not all jews, nor all gentiles does God foreknow in this way.
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1 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham,
of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3 “Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”? 4 But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then
it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. [
a]But if
it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.
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What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:
“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”
9 And David says:
“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
A stumbling block and a recompense to them.
10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see,
And bow down their back always.”
Israel’s Rejection Not Final
11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their [
b]fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation
has come to the Gentiles. 12 Now if their [
c]fall
is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!
13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy
those who are my flesh and save some of them. 15 For if their being cast away
is the reconciling of the world, what
will their acceptance
be but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit
is holy, the lump
is also
holy; and if the root
is holy, so
are the branches. 17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and [
d]fatness of the olive tree, 18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast,
remember that you do not support the root, but the root
supports you.
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Well
said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, [
e]goodness, if you continue in
His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who
are natural
branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own [f]opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be [g]saved, as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this
is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”
28 Concerning the gospel
they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election
they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God
are irrevocable. 30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, 31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God has [
h]committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.
33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable
are His judgments and His ways past finding out!
34 “For who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has become His counselor?”
35 “Or who has first given to Him
And it shall be repaid to him?”
36 For of Him and through Him and to Him
are all things, to whom
be glory forever. Amen.
