A heretical teaching dismantled with the help of Paul the Evangelist.

[Marymog]

Catholics such as yourself have Decided “THE” Church “IS” expressly “THE CATHOLIC CHURCH”…

Nope Taken, that is a lie. Catholics such as myself have NOT decided that. History has decided that. If you knew your own Christian history, you would know that. And let me be VERY CLEAR here. I don't mean learn Catholic History....I mean Christian History. I'm not even suggesting that you accept Catholic doctrine/dogma. I'm just suggesting you learn your Christian History before commenting on it. As a 'staff member' you should at least know Christian History before commenting on it.

For you and your ilk your Christian History starts with the Revolution that was (generally) started by Martin Luther. Go back further than that and learn YOUR Christian History.....then you will see that your statement is a complete lie.

Keeping it real....Mary

 

[David in NJ]

Got it... YOU RAN!! You ran because you can't defend with logic or Scripture what your men have taught you.

Sorry I wasted my time

YES, i admit it = i RAN straight to the LORD Jesus Christ and His Logic of Salvation

Now my sins have been washed away and i am BORN-AGAIN by the Spirit of God thru His WORD.

 

[David in NJ]

Hey F2F,


The point of me bringing that up is that a staff member who is part of the encounter team is laughing at fellow member of this forum. I believe they should be more professional. Don't you?

Furthermore, in regard to the subject at hand, I believe I have made it clear that nowhere at no point does Scripture ever say that Mary had other children OR had sex with Joseph. It simply isn't there. At least I, and The Church, can admit that. You and your ilk can't. If it was in Scripture this debate wouldn't be going on for 500 years. It is sad that you can't even admit that IT's NOT IN SCRIPTURE!!! It shows your dishonesty.

With that said we have to look at other things that support our POV or interpretation of Scripture. As you know (or maybe you don't) the word used in Scripture for brother/sister of Jesus COULD also mean close family member such as a cousin. That is a FACT that you and your ilk ignore....The Church and I don't. The 2,000-year traditional teaching of Christianity is that they were probably cousins or children of Joseph from a previous marriage. That is a FACT that you and your ilk ignore. Scripture says to hold fast to traditional teaching (2 Thessalonians 2:15) and the FACT is that you and your ilk don't hold fast to it. You reject it....you reject Scripture. That is a FACT!!

Keeping it real with facts and Scripture (instead of opinion)....Mary

Worship of a 'holy virgin' is a mainstay in ancient pagan religions = which is where ROME brought this concept in and called it Roman Catholicism = "the queen of heaven"

You can read about this in the Bible

 

[Marymog]

Catholics such as yourself have Decided “THE” Church “IS” expressly “THE CATHOLIC CHURCH”…

Protestants used to PROTEST and modernly simply REJECT that language and notion.
Protestants are favorable to “THE CHURCH” is the embodiment OF Christ the Lord Jesus.

The Jews had a TEMPLE, a building made with mens hands. A place for men to Offer their sin offerings of animals and their blood.

Did you miss the Lesson?

Mark 14:
[58] We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.

Do you not know it was the embodiment of Christ Jesus raised up in 3 days? His Church, build and made without the hands of men?

The Headquarters of the Catholic Church is in an enclave called Vatican City.

The Headquarters of the Protestant Church is IN Christ Jesus, called the Power and Word of God.

Hellow Taken,

I think I get the gist of what your Protestant men taught you.

It seems to me you are saying, and correct me if I am wrong, that The Church, which has its physical headquarters in Rome, is not IN Christ Jesus and does not represent the Power and Word of God. Or to put it another way: It seems you are suggesting that the Church (spoken of in Matthew 18:17 and 1 Timothy 3:15) is not a place (The Vatican).

Do I understand you correctly?

Respectfully, Mary

 

[Marymog]

Scripture plainly reveals.
With Him separated unto Him.
Without Him separated from Him.

Every man shall receive his due reward of how they spent their efforts.
Glorifying God? …merit of reward given.
Glorifying statues, glorifying people, blah, blah…efforts burned.

Yup Taken.....that is a fair and general (or simple) summarization of Scripture.

Scripture has many many many words in it and in those many many many words it says we must do more than just glorify God to obtain our reward. Sooooo, according to Scripture, what are the "efforts" I must do so I can receive this "reward"?

What Christian denomination teaches that it is ok to glorify statues and people?

Mary

 

[Taken]

Nope Taken, that is a lie. Catholics such as myself have NOT decided that. History has decided that. If you knew your own Christian history, you would know that. And let me be VERY CLEAR here. I don't mean learn Catholic History....I mean Christian History. I'm not even suggesting that you accept Catholic doctrine/dogma. I'm just suggesting you learn your Christian History before commenting on it. As a 'staff member' you should at least know Christian History before commenting on it.

For you and your ilk your Christian History starts with the Revolution that was (generally) started by Martin Luther. Go back further than that and learn YOUR Christian History.....then you will see that your statement is a complete lie.

Keeping it real....Mary

Stop deflecting. Every Catholic ONLY recognizes A CATHOLIC CHURCH as THE ONLY Church. That IS the Christian History of the Catholic Church..
AS IF Christ Yielded His Church, to a handful of self-counseling ideas of men whose pretense IS Christ’s Church membership IS ONLY effected BY an individual pledging to A CREED, devised by the Catholic church’s handful of men.




PART ONE
THE PROFESSION OF FAITH
SECTION TWO
THE PROFESSION OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH

CHAPTER THREE
I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY SPIRIT

ARTICLE 9
"I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH"

Paragraph 3. The Church Is One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic

811 "This is the sole Church of Christ, which in the Creed we profess to be one, holy, catholic and apostolic."256 These four characteristics, inseparably linked with each other,257 indicate essential features of the Church and her mission. The Church does not possess them of herself; it is Christ who, through the Holy Spirit, makes his Church one, holy, catholic, and apostolic, and it is he who calls her to realize each of these qualities.

Christ’s CHURCH is not a Building. Has no Name. Christ called His Church “MY Church”.
Possessively, Christ’s Church IS HIS.
He Alone, By His Power, According to His WAY, PUTS HIS CHURCH, IN a man.
His Church was Never called, catholic, protestant, buddhist, or whatever men devise.

Marymog keeping it real without real facts…
Funny.

 

[Taken]

Yup Taken.....that is a fair and general (or simple) summarization of Scripture.

Scripture has many many many words in it and in those many many many words it says we must do more than just glorify God to obtain our reward. Sooooo, according to Scripture, what are the "efforts" I must do so I can receive this "reward"?

What Christian denomination teaches that it is ok to glorify statues and people?

Mary

There is ONE works a man can do to Receive Gods Gift of Salvation AFTER bodily death.

There is the SAME ONE works coupled with ONE service a man can do to Receive Gods Gift of Salvation BEFORE bodily death.

There are numerous works a man can do to Glorify God (during his physical life span).

ALL works a man DOES DO, during his life span that Glorified God, shall receive REWARDS, “when Jesus returns TO the face of the Earth”.

There are 5 Different Rewards a man MIGHT receive, FOR glorifying God.
These Rewards are CROWNS.
The 5 possible Crowns a man might receive…
ARE:
The incorruptible crown called the Victor’s crown.
The crown of rejoicing.
The crown of righteousness
The crown of Life
The Crown of Glory

Men have crowns fashioned and wear them as signifying they have placed themselves above men.

Only the Lord God gives a man a Worthy Crown.

And BTW, a worthy man WILL in turn take their received crown and lay it at the feet of the Lord God, signifying ONLY He is Worthy to be the Head over all men.

 

[Taken]

Hellow Taken,

I think I get the gist of what your Protestant men taught you.

It seems to me you are saying, and correct me if I am wrong, that The Church, which has its physical headquarters in Rome, is not IN Christ Jesus and does not represent the Power and Word of God. Or to put it another way: It seems you are suggesting that the Church (spoken of in Matthew 18:17 and 1 Timothy 3:15) is not a place (The Vatican).

Do I understand you correctly?

Respectfully, Mary

First of all, I have never said Protestant men taught me. I have expressly said Jesus is my Teacher.

It matters not to me, where a man has built a building, CALLED it a Church, by whatever name…
Christ’s Church is IN a man, (WHEN that man professes TO the Lord God his True Belief), wherever the man is, in his home, at work, at a park, flying in a plane, sleeping, eating, working, playing….Christ’s Church is IN that man and that man is IN Christ’s Church.

A man pledging a CREED to a group of men, is a man pleading to a group of men.

Surely you know the difference between a Pledge to God and a Pledge to men??

 

[Taken]

What Christian denomination teaches that it is ok to glorify statues and people?

Mary

What does the Word of God teach…??
* Pray TO the Lord God.
* Bow Down as a sign of Worship TO the Lord God. (Be Personal, Call on His Name, Bow your head, close your eyes, bow your body, bend your knee, lie your body prone on the ground…Be earnest in what you say from your spirit to his spirit, not repetitive speech as if God is deaf and ignorant.)
* Praise the Lord God, in word and tasks, in delight of songs, of works.

IS that, erecting statues, bowing down to them, Praying TO whatever the statue is supposed to represent? Is that Calling out a name and repeating over and over the same empty words while counting beads, to be sure of how many times you have called their name and repeated your Prayer TO them?
Is that Kissing statues? Is that elevating and parading a statue around in what is supposed to be A HOUSE DEDICATED to God? Is that laying trinkets and flowers at the feel of a statue?

No…nothing that which the Word of God says to do.

If you do not know what “Christian” denomination teaches, and in some instances requires those behaviors…
You are blind.

 

[Marymog]

Stop deflecting. Every Catholic ONLY recognizes A CATHOLIC CHURCH as THE ONLY Church. That IS the Christian History of the Catholic Church..
AS IF Christ Yielded His Church, to a handful of self-counseling ideas of men whose pretense IS Christ’s Church membership IS ONLY effected BY an individual pledging to A CREED, devised by the Catholic church’s handful of men.




PART ONE
THE PROFESSION OF FAITH
SECTION TWO
THE PROFESSION OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH

CHAPTER THREE
I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY SPIRIT

ARTICLE 9
"I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH"

Paragraph 3. The Church Is One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic

811 "This is the sole Church of Christ, which in the Creed we profess to be one, holy, catholic and apostolic."256 These four characteristics, inseparably linked with each other,257 indicate essential features of the Church and her mission. The Church does not possess them of herself; it is Christ who, through the Holy Spirit, makes his Church one, holy, catholic, and apostolic, and it is he who calls her to realize each of these qualities.

Christ’s CHURCH is not a Building. Has no Name. Christ called His Church “MY Church”.
Possessively, Christ’s Church IS HIS.
He Alone, By His Power, According to His WAY, PUTS HIS CHURCH, IN a man.
His Church was Never called, catholic, protestant, buddhist, or whatever men devise.

Marymog keeping it real without real facts…
Funny.

Thank you for your opinion but once again you show have shown your ignorance of your own Christian history and the translation/meaning of words in your Christian history:

The word catholic (derived via Latin catholicus, from the Greek adjective καθολικός (katholikos) 'universal') comes from the Greek phrase καθόλου (katholou) 'on the whole, according to the whole, in general', and is a combination of the Greek words κατά (kata) 'about' and ὅλος (holos) 'whole.

The Church does not teach nor have I ever said that The Church is a building.....sooooo your point is mute. That is something you made up in your head or your Protestant men taught you that lie.

Keeping it real with facts instead of opinions..........Mary

 

[Marymog]

Stop deflecting. Every Catholic ONLY recognizes A CATHOLIC CHURCH as THE ONLY Church. That IS the Christian History of the Catholic Church..
AS IF Christ Yielded His Church, to a handful of self-counseling ideas of men whose pretense IS Christ’s Church membership IS ONLY effected BY an individual pledging to A CREED, devised by the Catholic church’s handful of men.

Not deflecting anything kiddo. I destroyed your opinion with facts. How is that a deflection?????????????? Also, how do you fulfill Hebrews 13:17????????? What "handful of men" fulfills that passage in your Christian life??? (I know you won't answer but it's worth a try)

Do you even know what a creed is Taken????? I am astounded that I know more about our Christian history than you do, and you are a staff member of a Christian website. How embarrassing....

Let me help you: A creed is a statement of faith. Have you ever stated your faith to anyone?

Now, do you know WHY The Church had to put forth a creed (Apostles Creed, Nicene Creed) to the members of The Church all those years ago? If you knew your own Christian history, you would, but you don't because you don't even know your own Christian history.

None the less, thank you for your opinion!!

 

[Marymog]

First of all, I have never said Protestant men taught me. I have expressly said Jesus is my Teacher.

Got it. YOU, a man, who is a product of the Protestant Reformation has Jesus as your teacher. No man taught you (a man). Even though you are repeating the teachings of Protestant men BEFORE you....Jesus is your teacher

But the men of the Catholic faith don't have Jesus as their teacher

 

[Marymog]

What does the Word of God teach…??
* Pray TO the Lord God.
* Bow Down as a sign of Worship TO the Lord God. (Be Personal, Call on His Name, Bow your head, close your eyes, bow your body, bend your knee, lie your body prone on the ground…Be earnest in what you say from your spirit to his spirit, not repetitive speech as if God is deaf and ignorant.)
* Praise the Lord God, in word and tasks, in delight of songs, of works.

IS that, erecting statues, bowing down to them, Praying TO whatever the statue is supposed to represent? Is that Calling out a name and repeating over and over the same empty words while counting beads, to be sure of how many times you have called their name and repeated your Prayer TO them?
Is that Kissing statues? Is that elevating and parading a statue around in what is supposed to be A HOUSE DEDICATED to God? Is that laying trinkets and flowers at the feel of a statue?

No…nothing that which the Word of God says to do.

If you do not know what “Christian” denomination teaches, and in some instances requires those behaviors…
You are blind.

stop deflecting...........I ask again: What Christian denomination teaches that it is ok to glorify statues and people?

Back up your statement or clarify your statemen....


Patient Mary

 

[Marymog]

There is ONE works a man can do to Receive Gods Gift of Salvation AFTER bodily death.

There is the SAME ONE works coupled with ONE service a man can do to Receive Gods Gift of Salvation BEFORE bodily death.

There are numerous works a man can do to Glorify God (during his physical life span).

ALL works a man DOES DO, during his life span that Glorified God, shall receive REWARDS, “when Jesus returns TO the face of the Earth”.

There are 5 Different Rewards a man MIGHT receive, FOR glorifying God.
These Rewards are CROWNS.
The 5 possible Crowns a man might receive…
ARE:
The incorruptible crown called the Victor’s crown.
The crown of rejoicing.
The crown of righteousness
The crown of Life
The Crown of Glory

Men have crowns fashioned and wear them as signifying they have placed themselves above men.

Only the Lord God gives a man a Worthy Crown.

And BTW, a worthy man WILL in turn take their received crown and lay it at the feet of the Lord God, signifying ONLY He is Worthy to be the Head over all men.

I see lots of opinions in your post but I don't see any passages from Scripture to back up your opinions......

 

[Marymog]

It matters not to me, where a man has built a building, CALLED it a Church, by whatever name…
Christ’s Church is IN a man, (WHEN that man professes TO the Lord God his True Belief), wherever the man is, in his home, at work, at a park, flying in a plane, sleeping, eating, working, playing….Christ’s Church is IN that man and that man is IN Christ’s Church.

A man pledging a CREED to a group of men, is a man pleading to a group of men.

Surely you know the difference between a Pledge to God and a Pledge to men??

Ok....sooooo whom do you go to so that you can fulfil Matthew 18:15-17?

 

[Marymog]

First of all, I have never said Protestant men taught me. I have expressly said Jesus is my Teacher.

Anyone that disagrees with Taken is disagreeing with Jesus since Jesus taught you everything you know. And Jesus would never teach you a lie so everything you say is true

 

[Taken]

Thank you for your opinion but once again you show have shown your ignorance of your own Christian history and the translation/meaning of words in your Christian history:

The word catholic (derived via Latin catholicus, from the Greek adjective καθολικός (katholikos) 'universal') comes from the Greek phrase καθόλου (katholou) 'on the whole, according to the whole, in general', and is a combination of the Greek words κατά (kata) 'about' and ὅλος (holos) 'whole.

The Church does not teach nor have I ever said that The Church is a building.....sooooo your point is mute. That is something you made up in your head or your Protestant men taught you that lie.

Keeping it real with facts instead of opinions..........Mary

I did not speak to you of my Christian history, yet you judge…whoopie.

I don’t care what the word Catholic means, nor who calls their church Catholic, nor who calls themself a Catholic….

I do notice who promotes, tolerates, even requires, their congregate members to pledge by vow to adhere to that organizations doctrines that are not according to Gods Word.

If that be you, you should know.
If you reveal who you have pledged by vow to…then I know.

And in keeping it real Mary, you have revealed your pledged a vow to the Catholic Church.

And so what, I disagree with your choice.

 

[Taken]

Not deflecting anything kiddo. I destroyed your opinion with facts. How is that a deflection?????????????? Also, how do you fulfill Hebrews 13:17????????? What "handful of men" fulfills that passage in your Christian life??? (I know you won't answer but it's worth a try)

Do you even know what a creed is Taken????? I am astounded that I know more about our Christian history than you do, and you are a staff member of a Christian website. How embarrassing....

Let me help you: A creed is a statement of faith. Have you ever stated your faith to anyone?

Now, do you know WHY The Church had to put forth a creed (Apostles Creed, Nicene Creed) to the members of The Church all those years ago? If you knew your own Christian history, you would, but you don't because you don't even know your own Christian history.

None the less, thank you for your opinion!!

Marymog, your name calling and accusing make make you feel good, even may make you think you have destroyed something….
It changes nothing, pertaining to me, but does negatively reflect on you.

 

[Taken]

Got it. YOU, a man, who is a product of the Protestant Reformation has Jesus as your teacher. No man taught you (a man). Even though you are repeating the teachings of Protestant men BEFORE you....Jesus is your teacher

But the men of the Catholic faith don't have Jesus as their teacher

You got it? You have decided, but not once have I said what I believe is based on following Protestant men….

Again, you somehow think you are qualified to decide and speak for me what applies to me.

Why is it not satisfactory to you, for people to think and speak FOR themselves?

 

[amigo de christo]

Correct
Before Jesus came to earth as a man HE was(still is) the Eternal Elohim(Plural) with God.

The Eternal Godhead consists of the FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT

Mary is not part of the Godhead and never was.
Mary has no saving grace of her own = Mary needed Jesus to save her from her sins.

Today is october twenty and seven in the year of our LORD two thousand three and twenty .
Let it not be said or told . LET NO MAN WOMAN OR CHILD SIT UNDER A HARLOT . BIBLE TIME .
as i am sure you do agree my friend .