Can a Believer Loose Their Salvation?

[Ritajanice]

Oh if I could only count on that.

You will NEVER stop me speaking Gods truth..not in a million years.

As for you....I post scripture ask for you to interpret..I get nothing...same as questions I ask..nothing...

Therefore either ignorance or lacking spiritual understanding....I can only understand the scripture that God speaks to me through....same as you I guess..therefore I’m ignorant to the scripture you post...it makes no sense to me on how you interpret that scripture.

Do you have a “ Living “ relationship with God through the Holy Spirit?

How would we even know that we have a “ Living “ relationship with God?

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Um, no it would not.

Because that person had not yet repented.. nor has he or she received the grace gift of Life

So when you are on your death bed.... it is too late?

 

[rwb]

You actually think that you are born again and then you believe? Are you a Calvinist?

I am able to believe by faith that came from God's grace when I heard the Gospel preached and through the power of the Holy Spirit believed in Christ for eternal life.

Whosoever believes shall be saved...
How shall they believe in whom they have not heard...
How shall they hear but through the Spirit of Christ.

That isn't from John Calvin, it is from the Word of God!

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Maybe you wouldn't but some would.

Not sure that those that would stop trusting him ever did trust in the first place other then to give lip service to
those who would listen.

Those who might in a given circumstance say "If only I had your faith", most likely never trusted Him to begin with.

 

[JBO]

I am able to believe by faith that came from God's grace when I heard the Gospel preached and through the power of the Holy Spirit believed in Christ for eternal life.

That doesn't make sense. You are saying that you are able to believe because you believe. Faith in God is belief in God. In the Greek, "faith" and 'belief" are the same word, there is no difference.

When you said, "when I heard the Gospel preached and through the power of the Holy Spirit believed in Christ for eternal life", that is faith in Christ for eternal life.

 

[mailmandan]

And you think that is it? Well bless your heart. I guess you can quit studying God's word now. Apparently, no need to go any further than that.

That's it for justification. Going further after one is saved is in regard to ongoing sanctification.

 

[JBO]

You will NEVER stop me speaking Gods truth..not in a million years.

And here I thought I could at least count on you to be true to your post #190. Oh well, I guess not.

 

[rwb]

Is there anything in your life that you once believed in that you now no longer believe in? Maybe Santa Claus? Is it possible for someone to feel the same about God? I think it is. Belief is not a possession.

What's any of that got to do with possessing eternal life when we are born again through Christ's Spirit within? We either have eternal life being eternally secure in Christ, or we don't! Believer or unbeliever!

 

[JBO]

The passage begins "for impossible" not "if possible". What does he say is impossible? For those enlightened, tasted the heavenly gift, partakers of the Holy Spirit, tasted the good word of God, and powers of the world to come. IOW the writer is assuring us of salvation telling us what is impossible, and in the next verse he tells us why it is not possible. Because IF they fall away they could never be renewed unto repentance, because that would mean Christ must be crucified and put to open shame again!

Hebrews 6:4 (KJV) For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Hebrews 6:5-6 (KJV) And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

The final assurance of our salvation, possession of eternal life is hearing all these things were said that we might have confidence, knowing that the life we receive when we are born again is certain and can never be lost. Though we are warned because of the tares among the wheat we have those things that accompany salvation FOREVER!

Hebrews 6:9 (KJV) But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.

But Hebrews 6:4,5 list several things that are indicative of one who has been saved. Enlightened, tasted the heaven gift, partaker of the Holy Spirit, tasted the good word of God, and tasted the powers of the world to come are all descriptions of one who has been saved. It is that position of being saved that the writer says that "if they shall fall away", etc., etc.

 

[Ritajanice]

It's only by being one in Christ that man once again possesses free will! We aren't free until we are made free from bondage to sin and death! As long as we are in bondage to sin and death, we remain natural, fallen man. As a natural man we are only free to choose that which is natural to us. In darkness and unbelief we will NEVER naturally hear Christ calling us to be saved. The only voice we hear before we are born again is the voice we heeded in the garden when we listened to the voice of evil, and brought bondage to sin and death into God's creation.

I like this commentary....Amen!!

 

[rwb]

First of all, what you quoted was spoken to and about His disciples, and you are not one of them. Second of all, God didn't force you to become a believer and God doesn't force you to continue to be a believer. He, through the Holy Spirit, will certainly help you to continue believing, but He will not force it.

Since I too became a disciple of Christ, what is spoken by Christ is for me and all His disciples to the end of days! God doesn't need to use force! No! He sends His Spirit that we might hear His Gospel proclaimed and by His grace through faith we believe and in repentance turn to Christ for eternal life. You seem to be the only one thinking salvation must be forced upon believers????

 

[JBO]

What's any of that got to do with possessing eternal life when we are born again through Christ's Spirit within? We either have eternal life being eternally secure in Christ, or we don't! Believer or unbeliever!

Well that is certainly true. It is either one or the other, but there is nothing that says that you can't go from one to the other or back again.

You possessed eternal life when you were born. If you do not believe that, what about all those babies who have died at or soon after being born? Do you really believe in Original Sin and that God has eternally condemned them? I would hope not.

 

[JBO]

The only voice we hear before we are born again is the voice we heeded in the garden when we listened to the voice of evil, and brought bondage to sin and death into God's creation.

You weren't in the Garden to hear, heed or listen to anything.

 

[rwb]

You were a born of God child at your birth. You became dead (un-birthed) when you sinned. You became dead in your trespasses and sins.

That's not what the Bible says! If a new born infant were born of God, why aren't infants excluded from this description of ALL mankind?

Romans 3:10-12 (KJV) As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

 

[JBO]

That's not what the Bible says! If a new born infant were born of God, why aren't infants excluded from this description of ALL mankind?

Romans 3:10-12 (KJV) As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Are you excluded from that description?

 

[rwb]

Believing is a requirement for being saved. Believing is something that you do; God does not believe for you. What is really sad is that you fail to understand that.

Of course God does not believe for us! Instead He gives us faith to believe in Him. Having faith is the work of God, and through His work man believes in Him for eternal life.

 

[rwb]

But Hebrews 6:4,5 list several things that are indicative of one who has been saved. Enlightened, tasted the heaven gift, partaker of the Holy Spirit, tasted the good word of God, and tasted the powers of the world to come are all descriptions of one who has been saved. It is that position of being saved that the writer says that "if they shall fall away", etc., etc.

Yes it does! Which is why the passage reminds believers who possess these things that they shall never again be lost! It's really amazing the length in which the author goes to prove we are eternally secure in Christ because we can never fall away from Him.

 

[JBO]

That's not what the Bible says! If a new born infant were born of God, why aren't infants excluded from this description of ALL mankind?

Zec 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD concerning Israel: Thus declares the LORD, who stretched out the heavens and founded the earth and formed the spirit of man within him.

Do you believe that God formed your spirit within you? When? And if so, do you believe that God formed a dead spirit within you? I certainly don't believe that. I believe the spirit God formed within you was pure, alive and well. I believe you spiritually died when you sinned. It was then and only then that you were dead in your trespasses and sins (Eph 2:1; Col 2:13).

 

[JBO]

Yes it does! Which is why the passage reminds believers who possess these things that they shall never again be lost! It's really amazing the length in which the author goes to prove we are eternally secure in Christ because we can never fall away from Him.

That is not what it says. It says that IF those believers fall away, it will be impossible to restore them again.

 

[rwb]

Well that is certainly true. It is either one or the other, but there is nothing that says that you can't go from one to the other or back again.

You possessed eternal life when you were born. If you do not believe that, what about all those babies who have died at or soon after being born? Do you really believe in Original Sin and that God has eternally condemned them? I would hope not.

Actually there is! The Bible is filled with verses and passages to remind that we must become more and more dependent upon Him and less and less dependent upon self. Not because we can be tempted and fall away, but because God chastens whom He loves. And in this life, in this world there will be chastening from the Lord, but never rejection from the Lord. Because He loves to the uttermost those who are saved through Him.

None possess eternal life while clothed in bodies destined to death. The only way for one to possess eternal life through Christ is not by physical birth, but by being born again of His Spirit. I don't try to guess about who shall and who shall not belong to the eternal Kingdom of God among mankind! I leave that to the Lord!