Two witnesses 2+2=2?

[Rex]

Can you please explain how it is literally possible for these words again, to be bound upon their hands and their foreheads? How are the commands they are supposed to teach their children literally gonna be bound upon their hands and their forehead?

 

[Raeneske]

So, now tell me something. If all this is obviously spiritual, and not literal, why is the Mark of the Beast, which is a counterfeit of God's seal, supposedly a literal Mark?
Just two of my poasts back I explained it in detail.... this means you are not paying any attention at all... and that means you are everything Vetran said you are....
You cannot get past what I wrote so you attemp to sidestep it? Get past that people must recognize those with the mark and without... and those with the mark of the beast can buy and sell but those without the mark cannot and those without the mark will be persecuted. When you attempt to claim it must be a counterfiet your continuation proves you "think" it must also be a counterfiet duplicate... that is an assumption and is al;so not valid. Understand a counterfiet twenty dollar bill is not necessarily a perfect replicate...in fact beyond most of the time the counterfiets are easily descernable. This means This means You have decided there is a line in the sand and You think You have the right to draw where it is. No where in God's Word does it say rthe Mark of the Beast even resembles any type of Mark gave anywhere.

Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes. And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. (Deuteronomy 11:18, 19 KJV)

Can you please explain how it is literally possible for these words again, to be bound upon their hands and their foreheads? How are the commands they are supposed to teach their children literally gonna be bound upon their hands and their forehead? Are they gonna tape the commandments to their hands and forehead? Or perhaps, glue the words on their hands and their forehead.
You have no qualifier for claiming the Beast's Mark even resembles any mark of God. Now you try to introduce Deut 11:18 as proof of the Mark Satan will use during Tribulation? That does not work. please stop trying to side-step what I claim and its reasoning.

In no way what so ever have they dis-agreed with God's Law, I thought I was abundantly clear on that. If you are claiming I must test them, you are wrong... they did not tell me who they are... God told me eho they are and I tested that vision and the test was passed. I fail to understand where or why you continue attempting to discredit them.. you are not the one who told me who they are.. God did.

Your slip is showing and that thong is just wrong.

Veteran if the Elle White is the same one here posting as Elle then I understand this all too well and she is dismissed.

The problem is, there is no Biblical verse that says it is a literal mark Terry. That is an assumption, that most this world believes. I gave you absolute evidence that "The frontlets of thine eyes" and "sign upon thine hands" is never meant to be taken literally. I posted sections that prove that very point. However, nothing has been posted to prove that the mark is literal. It is a common thought, but it is an assertion that is without Biblical proof.

 

[tgwprophet]

Ok, once more into the breech. Rae. there is no scripture that claims the Mark of the Best is NOT a literal description, one must claim that because God did it this way Satan must doit that way to. Consider this... For Satan to control everyone on Earth (during his time in power and if it was available for him to win. He would need something as complex as God's Mainframe computer. Now God's does not use anything resembling a computer and an even higher level of records are avauilable to God than our todays computers, but for Satan to control the masses he must have access to information resembling God's Mainframe. Welcome to the internet and the computer age. But these computer systems bare no physical or operating system even resembling what is at our Father's disposal. Though as a counterfiet it is extremely lame...itr is what it is all the same. And so too is the Mark of the Beast.

Understand this... time did not create God. but rather God created time....Without time... every thing is present,,, with everything present God needs no computer. With everything being present... space does not exist and so... everything is within touch, everything is feel.

Ok, I will take back any deggorative thing I said about you thus far, as it appears you are trying.

 

[Raeneske]

Ok, once more into the breech. Rae. there is no scripture that claims the Mark of the Best is NOT a literal description, one must claim that because God did it this way Satan must doit that way to. Consider this... For Satan to control everyone on Earth (during his time in power and if it was available for him to win. He would need something as complex as God's Mainframe computer. Now God's does not use anything resembling a computer and an even higher level of records are avauilable to God than our todays computers, but for Satan to control the masses he must have access to information resembling God's Mainframe. Welcome to the internet and the computer age. But these computer systems bare no physicl or operating system even resembling what is at our Father's disposal. Though as a counterfiet it is extremely lame...itr is what it is all the same. And so too is the Mark of the Beast.

Ok, I will take back any deggorative thing I said about you thus far, as it appears you are trying.

Okay Terry, let me try to put it this way. 4 out of 4 times, the Bible has shown that a Mark upon the frontlets of your eyes, and a sign upon your hands was not literal. Deuteronomy 6:6-8, 11:18-18, Exodus 13:7-9, 15-16. Okay? My question is this; The Bible has given me four very good reasons to believe any sign upon a hand and forehead is not to be taken literaly. So, I must ask, why is it asserted that it is a literal mark if the Bible has NOT asserted that. That is my question. I need scriptures that say that the mark upon a forehead and hands is meant to be taken literally.

As for your two witnesses, I don't know if you've seen my post somewhere, but I do not believe it is who you say it is. That's why I said, they must agree with the law. How do you know this vision; is a message from God. As far as I can see, there was no true test administered, that the Bible says to give. Even the messages you reveice, dear one, must be tested according to the scriptures.

 

[tgwprophet]

I began an excersize for discovery for a proper test to be given to the two witnesses. No one has come forth with a valid test the two witnesses can take prior to their time of power. Now you are trying to tell me that I must test them? God showed me who they are in a vision, in broad daylight, a vision that nearly extended from horizion to horizom and was clear as if the artwork had been done by a master sculpture. Now it is your contention that the test I gave for this vision was not valid? YOU HAVE ZERO authority to make that claim. PERIOD

OK, Now that I KNOW who these two witnesses are ( as God showed me ) you think I need to test them??? That makes ZERO sense. Test them? I teach them - as that duty was shown to me !!! Do they accept my teachings? You cannot believe how much. Unlike people in this forum that side-steps the presentations I provide and simply move on to another aspect where they think they can put a chink in my armor... the witnesses tend to get it.

See i have noticed that when I provide information that cannot be disputed that people here do noy address it, but instead attempt to work around it and not even reply to the wisdom they are shown. You try to validate a non-physical mark yet you cannot address the FACT that people witout the Mark will recognize those WITH the Mark and those with the Mark will recognize those WITHOUT the Mark. Next you want to say they will wear ssome kind of Mark on their sleeve as if those without the mark could not counerfiet it. And that mark would not cause sores any more than a shirt sleeve causes sores. Instead you danced around it... ignoring like I never addressed it. According to you, this Mark of the Beast could easily be stolen and used by another... YET we are experiencing theft on a large scale of credit and debit card information depleting people of their money. Also, the Mark besides currency exhange is for identification, personal in nature. Also and again..... why would there be so many strict forms of the mark being developed that makes it extremely difficult or inpossible to steal and the Beast need only unify them? Are you going to present and answer to this dilema I presented or side-step it ...once again? Once more, Just because God uses one type or another as a Mrak does not mean Satan must use a Mrak simular. The scripture you pointed out in no way claims Satan's Mark will simulate God's mark. That is an assuption YOU have decided to impose as a law of God.

you wrote: " As for your two witnesses, I don't know if you've seen my post somewhere, but I do not believe it is who you say it is. That's why I said, they must agree with the law. How do you know this vision; is a message from God. As far as I can see, there was no true test administered, that the Bible says to give. Even the messages you reveice, dear one, must be tested according to the scriptures. "
My caring if you or anyone believes me is for you or their own personal treasure...not mine. I receive nothing because anyone believes. Because do care... is the reason I offered to reveal them if a proper test could be produced. Of course they agree with the law. I did administer a test to validate the vision and the vision passed the test.You don't really think YOU are the authority over how I decided to administer a test do you? LOL... If you think for a moment YOU have authority over HOW I administer a test..you are greatly mistaken.

We could make all these arguements moot.... provide a valid test and I will reveal them that they can be tested.If no one can do that...then no one has any right to jump head-on into denial.

 

[Rex]

you wrote: " As for your two witnesses, I don't know if you've seen my post somewhere, but I do not believe it is who you say it is. That's why I said, they must agree with the law. How do you know this vision; is a message from God. As far as I can see, there was no true test administered, that the Bible says to give. Even the messages you reveice, dear one, must be tested according to the scriptures. "
My caring if you or anyone believes me is for you or their own personal treasure...not mine. I receive nothing because anyone believes. Because do care... is the reason I offered to reveal them if a proper test could be produced. Of course they agree with the law. I did administer a test to validate the vision and the vision passed the test.You don't really think YOU are the authority over how I decided to administer a test do you? LOL... If you think for a moment YOU have authority over HOW I administer a test..you are greatly mistaken.

We could make all these arguements moot.... provide a valid test and I will reveal them that they can be tested.If no one can do that...then no one has any right to jump head-on into denial.

Terry lets say you and I are out playing a few games of 8 ball. Were having a great time and here comes a mutual friend, we look at each other and we both know whats coming. Joe, our friend wants us to start a ring game but we know if we let him in were going to have to listen the rest of the night about his Herman Rambow cue, or the beautiful Gina cue that Erny made for him. He claims to own them both but nether you nor I nor anyone else have seen them. Terry this Joe is you. I would encourage you to not speak about it again. God hides things, it's to the glory of Kings to search them out, but your hands are empty, just like Joe's.every time he walks in to play a game.

And may God richly bless you Terry

I hope that one day we play a game together. But Terry the work of God is no game.

 

[veteran]

Really Veteran? The burden of proof is upon me to prove that the 70th week doesn't logically follow the 69th week? No, you're preaching that Daniel's 70th week begins in the future, whereas the 69th week happened far in the past. I'm not the one inserting an illogical gap between this prophecy. You are. I asked for you to back this up. There is no proof for the assertion that the 70th week begins in the future. I asked for the proof, I received none.

I have not split up Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy. I have shown, that the number 70, logically follows the number 69. If you cannot comprehend this, I am sorry.

You have contintually asserted your hatred for what Ellen White said, and because I agree with her. And then, you have accused me of not thinking for myself. Excuse me, for agreeing with someone, who disagrees with the creed of the 7 year tribulation. I asked for logical proof, and you gave me none. No one has. And yet, if shown their creed is in error in light of scriptures, how many people actually give it up? Your prophecy is fluff. I have explained myself continually, but I haven't so much as gotten a Biblical explanation for disassembling Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy, to mean more than 490 years.

I don't hate Ellen White, nor you. But when someone claims to be a prophet given visions by God, and they do not come true, then God's Word has already defined where that working is from, I didn't.

 

[Rex]

It's a shame you're so wrapped up in your own message that you don't help your friend Terry. Unless of course you also believe his secret.

 

[Pelaides]

Pelaides... Surely, And... I can do better than that. There are certain things that must be done, like the boundaries of Israel being in thier proper location anf the Philistines being removed from Israel. These are a priority IF they had not already been accomplished. See by the two witnesses dfoing these things the Jews...Israel cannot be blamed. This also entails a protection to see these things are NOT undone. They do not have to go to Israel to complete this task and while still here in the USA there is much work to be done here also.; This country used to be primarily Christian.. and it is still said to be so, BUT the actions and laws of this laand have diminished this... Because this country is so very young and had not had to endure the hardships of ancient lands when going against God... These two winesses will see to it USA is given an opportunioty to endure hardships on a Biblical scale. When things get their worst is when men turn to God the most... they will see this is done.
This new land... the Americas does indeed deserve to see first hand the sufferring the ancient lands went through for their denial of God. The Americas has not had the opportunity to feel the effecfts of real prophets and been given the chance to repent amid the plagues and such by prophets. This will be done. Jesus the Christ has given Grace to the World and this includes the Americas and God is not ambigious and so... the two witnesses knowing this... will provide these things of thiert will and Grace is not infringed.

In USA (and in other countries too, but) there is a growing populous accepting abortions.. this needs attention and correction.
There are milk cartons all over the place with pictures of missing children and this needs attention.
There is a government in place in USA that has perverted itself and it needs attention
There is this new country that has oh so developed its military might to a point it thinks it should force its desires on any country in the world.. first trying to enter in through peace to subdue any others countrie's governmnet then with war if needed. This USA tries to show itself as a righteous country attacking the problems other countries face but hiding its own perverstions. much attention is required for this country.

Then, there is the ancient countries always trying to do away with God, all the while knowing in their past experiences God has always shown himself to be victorious. This includes the Arab countried that think they should be above everyone and then the Roman Countries that think they ARE above everyone. There is plenty of work for the two witneses.
want more? anything specific?

Brother Terry thank you for your responce,May God bless you if you are telling the truth,may God have mercy on you if you are lying.
I have one more question if you dont mind,When should we expect the prophets to begin their work?

 

[veteran]

It's a shame you're so wrapped up in your own message that you don't help your friend Terry. Unless of course you also believe his secret.

Not a clue of what that's about! If you're talking about his claims to know who God's two witnesses are, no, I do not believe him, and I have told him so.

 

[Raeneske]

I began an excersize for discovery for a proper test to be given to the two witnesses. No one has come forth with a valid test the two witnesses can take prior to their time of power. Now you are trying to tell me that I must test them? God showed me who they are in a vision, in broad daylight, a vision that nearly extended from horizion to horizom and was clear as if the artwork had been done by a master sculpture. Now it is your contention that the test I gave for this vision was not valid? YOU HAVE ZERO authority to make that claim. PERIOD

OK, Now that I KNOW who these two witnesses are ( as God showed me ) you think I need to test them??? That makes ZERO sense. Test them? I teach them - as that duty was shown to me !!! Do they accept my teachings? You cannot believe how much. Unlike people in this forum that side-steps the presentations I provide and simply move on to another aspect where they think they can put a chink in my armor... the witnesses tend to get it.

See i have noticed that when I provide information that cannot be disputed that people here do noy address it, but instead attempt to work around it and not even reply to the wisdom they are shown. You try to validate a non-physical mark yet you cannot address the FACT that people witout the Mark will recognize those WITH the Mark and those with the Mark will recognize those WITHOUT the Mark. Next you want to say they will wear ssome kind of Mark on their sleeve as if those without the mark could not counerfiet it. And that mark would not cause sores any more than a shirt sleeve causes sores. Instead you danced around it... ignoring like I never addressed it. According to you, this Mark of the Beast could easily be stolen and used by another... YET we are experiencing theft on a large scale of credit and debit card information depleting people of their money. Also, the Mark besides currency exhange is for identification, personal in nature. Also and again..... why would there be so many strict forms of the mark being developed that makes it extremely difficult or inpossible to steal and the Beast need only unify them? Are you going to present and answer to this dilema I presented or side-step it ...once again? Once more, Just because God uses one type or another as a Mrak does not mean Satan must use a Mrak simular. The scripture you pointed out in no way claims Satan's Mark will simulate God's mark. That is an assuption YOU have decided to impose as a law of God.

you wrote: " As for your two witnesses, I don't know if you've seen my post somewhere, but I do not believe it is who you say it is. That's why I said, they must agree with the law. How do you know this vision; is a message from God. As far as I can see, there was no true test administered, that the Bible says to give. Even the messages you reveice, dear one, must be tested according to the scriptures. "
My caring if you or anyone believes me is for you or their own personal treasure...not mine. I receive nothing because anyone believes. Because do care... is the reason I offered to reveal them if a proper test could be produced. Of course they agree with the law. I did administer a test to validate the vision and the vision passed the test.You don't really think YOU are the authority over how I decided to administer a test do you? LOL... If you think for a moment YOU have authority over HOW I administer a test..you are greatly mistaken.

We could make all these arguements moot.... provide a valid test and I will reveal them that they can be tested.If no one can do that...then no one has any right to jump head-on into denial.

Sorry Terry, I'm not claiming any authority over you. If you think I am, well I'm sorry I seem that way. I only seek to point you back to the Word.

I gave you a valid test. They must exalt God's law, period. Every single commandment, whether this is something you agree with or not, it does not matter. It is not to be rude or evil, but it is to prove a point. When Satan arrives and starts healing people, right before our very eyes in a dazzling display, no vision will be your test. The test is, does this person speak according to the Word of God? That's what I'm seeking after. That is the ultimate test. Please don't make excuses for them. I understand, that someone will not be perfect. But, the question is, where do the stand upon the Law of God - That's all 10 Commandments. That is my question, that is the test.

I don't hate Ellen White, nor you. But when someone claims to be a prophet given visions by God, and they do not come true, then God's Word has already defined where that working is from, I didn't.

I have not checked the other post yet, but I am going to ask anyways. Please provide me, where she legitamatly made a prophecy on something, setting a date, and got it wrong?
. Thankyou

 

[veteran]

I have not checked the other post yet, but I am going to ask anyways. Please provide me, where she legitamatly made a prophecy on something, setting a date, and got it wrong?
. Thankyou

http://www.inplainsite.org/html/ellen_white_false_prophecy.html

 

[Rex]

Not a clue of what that's about! If you're talking about his claims to know who God's two witnesses are, no, I do not believe him, and I have told him so.

Yes, you understood me
My mistake I apologize, watching this ferris wheel of prophesy threads go round and round makes me dizzy, occasionally I open one and make a comment.
Please carry on it's clear to everyone that huge revelations are is being made

 

[Raeneske]

http://www.inplainsi...e_prophecy.html

Thankyou very much for that. I have seen this one before.

Please don't let sites like this destroy whatever faith you may have had in God, that he gave us a prophettes for the last days. God made it clear, He will pour out His spirit in the last days, and the Sons and Daughters shall prophecy, and dream dreams. Of course, this started with Pentecost - But I do not believe in ceasation (ceasing of spiritual gifts, not to be given again).

 

[tgwprophet]

Raeneske wrote: " I gave you a valid test. They must exalt God's law, period. Every single commandment, whether this is something you agree with or not, it does not matter. It is not to be rude or evil, but it is to prove a point. When Satan arrives and starts healing people, right before our very eyes in a dazzling display, no vision will be your test. The test is, does this person speak according to the Word of God? That's what I'm seeking after. That is the ultimate test. Please don't make excuses for them. I understand, that someone will not be perfect. But, the question is, where do the stand upon the Law of God - That's all 10 Commandments. That is my question, that is the test. "

When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him. Deut. 18:22
The test is, does this person speak according to the Word of God?
I have answered that question so many times it is not funny. Why are you asking it over and over and over again? And the answer once again is... Of course, they do. However your test is lacking, for any of Satan's Demons or Satan could easiy pass that test, they just could not maintain it. This means the test you gave is in-adequate. It is not a proper test. Understand according to God's Word the true test of a prophet is prophecy and it that prophecy does not come to pass then fear not that prophet. With that said...these two are witnesses and their time of prophecy is not yet...and so another test would have to be given and so the need for discovery and the challenge to make a proper test.

where do the stand upon the Law of God - That's all 10 Commandments. That is my question, that is the test.
They stand exactly where a true prophet would stand! Of course they stand with God and God's laws and Commandments - Answered again.
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Pelaides wrote: " Brother Terry thank you for your responce,May God bless you if you are telling the truth,may God have mercy on you if you are lying.
I have one more question if you dont mind,When should we expect the prophets to begin their work? "

My prayer to God is if I am lying that I sould follow the beast into hell, (actually I prayed that I be un-created - that in no way I would exist) for my faith and my work would not be the same. My faith is in Jesus and God, but my work then would be of the devil. I am certain my work is not of the devil and my loyality is in God and Jesus. How else should a man desiring to be righteous but instead leading others down a wrongful path feel ? Now, to answer when...Brother, I really wish I knew, but this time is sealed. The two witnesses wish they knew as well. I can however offer an "educated" guess or opinion, for reasons I will not clearly reveal. Since Aug 14, 2004 I have been pondering this. 6/9/2019 either the start date or the finish date, remember this is an opinion.
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Rex, Veteran....and others
Please don't be dismayed by me... I am trying the best I can to offer this chance of a lifetime...(of course.. if what I claim is true) and it is true. Would you rather not have this chance? I can easily stop.
Now, as far as anyone believing whether or not I know who the two witnesses are... let me make this perfectly clear. Disbelief is more than OK irt is expected. Hence the reason I brought up the devising of a test to validate them in you or anyone's eyes. (All the while knowing that after passingthe test(s) most will still be in denial.) Now answer me this... If like I say they really are the two witnesses...why would you not desire to know? In ancient times of the prophets they encountered the same denials as here. One may expect them to arise in Israel, but I did outline why they do not. Certainly if I were in your shoes I would wan to know them... but using denial is not a valid path to this discovery. Now, if you simply do not wish to know...tell me. its that easy. Or you can just wait, for I am about to just give up trying. I am not gaining any benefit for doing this, infact it is doing me harm...( knowing before I began this quest that I would be critized and ridiculed - what you think I did not already know this? ) the benefit is for all of you or many of you or some of you or just one of you.

Does any of you think I did not know ahead of time that when I present a truth one does not like, but one can not find flaw in that they would simply ignore that which I presented? When one sees something I reveal and it is against their unerstandin AND they think they can subdue what I have said by complicating it to obscurity that it is what they would attempt? Does this mean I think I am always correct? nope Does it mean I am not open to other persepective? nope - it is why I am here to begin with.. to welcome other perspectives to engage and consider them. Am I doing a single thing wrong by allowing myself to be considered by myself as not understanding perfectly?

You have read the posts of trolls and those who present false doctrines and made false prophecies that have been easily destroyed, the pictures they paint look so much alike as they almost always demand no scrutiny to their words... my profile does not fit that at all...have you not considered this? I asked for a test before anyone tried a test.

If you want I should stop... ok. I can even reveal the two witnesses without a test, then leave the forum...no problem Just do not expect that when you finally understand I have told you the truth that it will be of any significance or benefit to you then, for it will not be.

Veteran... Oh yeah, Rex claimed we are friends... does he know we argue like cats and dogs? All the same, i do conssider you a friend.

Reply or the usual.. ignore?

 

[veteran]

Thankyou very much for that. I have seen this one before.

Please don't let sites like this destroy whatever faith you may have had in God, that he gave us a prophettes for the last days. God made it clear, He will pour out His spirit in the last days, and the Sons and Daughters shall prophecy, and dream dreams. Of course, this started with Pentecost - But I do not believe in ceasation (ceasing of spiritual gifts, not to be given again).

What you really mean is, don't let sites like that destroy one's misguided faith on Ellen White and her failed visions she claimed she received from an angel.

Raeneske wrote: " I gave you a valid test. They must exalt God's law, period. Every single commandment, whether this is something you agree with or not, it does not matter. It is not to be rude or evil, but it is to prove a point. When Satan arrives and starts healing people, right before our very eyes in a dazzling display, no vision will be your test. The test is, does this person speak according to the Word of God? That's what I'm seeking after. That is the ultimate test. Please don't make excuses for them. I understand, that someone will not be perfect. But, the question is, where do the stand upon the Law of God - That's all 10 Commandments. That is my question, that is the test. "

When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him. Deut. 18:22
The test is, does this person speak according to the Word of God?
I have answered that question so many times it is not funny. Why are you asking it over and over and over again? And the answer once again is... Of course, they do. However your test is lacking, for any of Satan's Demons or Satan could easiy pass that test, they just could not maintain it. This means the test you gave is in-adequate. It is not a proper test. Understand according to God's Word the true test of a prophet is prophecy and it that prophecy does not come to pass then fear not that prophet. With that said...these two are witnesses and their time of prophecy is not yet...and so another test would have to be given and so the need for discovery and the challenge to make a proper test.

where do the stand upon the Law of God - That's all 10 Commandments. That is my question, that is the test.
They stand exactly where a true prophet would stand! Of course they stand with God and God's laws and Commandments - Answered again.
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Pelaides wrote: " Brother Terry thank you for your responce,May God bless you if you are telling the truth,may God have mercy on you if you are lying.
I have one more question if you dont mind,When should we expect the prophets to begin their work? "

My prayer to God is if I am lying that I sould follow the beast into hell, (actually I prayed that I be un-created - that in no way I would exist) for my faith and my work would not be the same. My faith is in Jesus and God, but my work then would be of the devil. I am certain my work is not of the devil and my loyality is in God and Jesus. How else should a man desiring to be righteous but instead leading others down a wrongful path feel ? Now, to answer when...Brother, I really wish I knew, but this time is sealed. The two witnesses wish they knew as well. I can however offer an "educated" guess or opinion, for reasons I will not clearly reveal. Since Aug 14, 2004 I have been pondering this. 6/9/2019 either the start date or the finish date, remember this is an opinion.
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Rex, Veteran....and others
Please don't be dismayed by me... I am trying the best I can to offer this chance of a lifetime...(of course.. if what I claim is true) and it is true. Would you rather not have this chance? I can easily stop.
Now, as far as anyone believing whether or not I know who the two witnesses are... let me make this perfectly clear. Disbelief is more than OK irt is expected. Hence the reason I brought up the devising of a test to validate them in you or anyone's eyes. (All the while knowing that after passingthe test(s) most will still be in denial.) Now answer me this... If like I say they really are the two witnesses...why would you not desire to know? In ancient times of the prophets they encountered the same denials as here. One may expect them to arise in Israel, but I did outline why they do not. Certainly if I were in your shoes I would wan to know them... but using denial is not a valid path to this discovery. Now, if you simply do not wish to know...tell me. its that easy. Or you can just wait, for I am about to just give up trying. I am not gaining any benefit for doing this, infact it is doing me harm...( knowing before I began this quest that I would be critized and ridiculed - what you think I did not already know this? ) the benefit is for all of you or many of you or some of you or just one of you.

Does any of you think I did not know ahead of time that when I present a truth one does not like, but one can not find flaw in that they would simply ignore that which I presented? When one sees something I reveal and it is against their unerstandin AND they think they can subdue what I have said by complicating it to obscurity that it is what they would attempt? Does this mean I think I am always correct? nope Does it mean I am not open to other persepective? nope - it is why I am here to begin with.. to welcome other perspectives to engage and consider them. Am I doing a single thing wrong by allowing myself to be considered by myself as not understanding perfectly?

You have read the posts of trolls and those who present false doctrines and made false prophecies that have been easily destroyed, the pictures they paint look so much alike as they almost always demand no scrutiny to their words... my profile does not fit that at all...have you not considered this? I asked for a test before anyone tried a test.

If you want I should stop... ok. I can even reveal the two witnesses without a test, then leave the forum...no problem Just do not expect that when you finally understand I have told you the truth that it will be of any significance or benefit to you then, for it will not be.

Veteran... Oh yeah, Rex claimed we are friends... does he know we argue like cats and dogs? All the same, i do conssider you a friend.

Reply or the usual.. ignore?

Yeah, I consider us all here as 'brethren', but you're right, family often have heated arguments with each other. Doesn't mean they don't love each other.

 

[Raeneske]

Raeneske wrote: " I gave you a valid test. They must exalt God's law, period. Every single commandment, whether this is something you agree with or not, it does not matter. It is not to be rude or evil, but it is to prove a point. When Satan arrives and starts healing people, right before our very eyes in a dazzling display, no vision will be your test. The test is, does this person speak according to the Word of God? That's what I'm seeking after. That is the ultimate test. Please don't make excuses for them. I understand, that someone will not be perfect. But, the question is, where do the stand upon the Law of God - That's all 10 Commandments. That is my question, that is the test. "

When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him. Deut. 18:22
The test is, does this person speak according to the Word of God?
I have answered that question so many times it is not funny. Why are you asking it over and over and over again? And the answer once again is... Of course, they do. However your test is lacking, for any of Satan's Demons or Satan could easiy pass that test, they just could not maintain it. This means the test you gave is in-adequate. It is not a proper test. Understand according to God's Word the true test of a prophet is prophecy and it that prophecy does not come to pass then fear not that prophet. With that said...these two are witnesses and their time of prophecy is not yet...and so another test would have to be given and so the need for discovery and the challenge to make a proper test.

where do the stand upon the Law of God - That's all 10 Commandments. That is my question, that is the test.
They stand exactly where a true prophet would stand! Of course they stand with God and God's laws and Commandments - Answered again.
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Pelaides wrote: " Brother Terry thank you for your responce,May God bless you if you are telling the truth,may God have mercy on you if you are lying.
I have one more question if you dont mind,When should we expect the prophets to begin their work? "

My prayer to God is if I am lying that I sould follow the beast into hell, (actually I prayed that I be un-created - that in no way I would exist) for my faith and my work would not be the same. My faith is in Jesus and God, but my work then would be of the devil. I am certain my work is not of the devil and my loyality is in God and Jesus. How else should a man desiring to be righteous but instead leading others down a wrongful path feel ? Now, to answer when...Brother, I really wish I knew, but this time is sealed. The two witnesses wish they knew as well. I can however offer an "educated" guess or opinion, for reasons I will not clearly reveal. Since Aug 14, 2004 I have been pondering this. 6/9/2019 either the start date or the finish date, remember this is an opinion.
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Rex, Veteran....and others
Please don't be dismayed by me... I am trying the best I can to offer this chance of a lifetime...(of course.. if what I claim is true) and it is true. Would you rather not have this chance? I can easily stop.
Now, as far as anyone believing whether or not I know who the two witnesses are... let me make this perfectly clear. Disbelief is more than OK irt is expected. Hence the reason I brought up the devising of a test to validate them in you or anyone's eyes. (All the while knowing that after passingthe test(s) most will still be in denial.) Now answer me this... If like I say they really are the two witnesses...why would you not desire to know? In ancient times of the prophets they encountered the same denials as here. One may expect them to arise in Israel, but I did outline why they do not. Certainly if I were in your shoes I would wan to know them... but using denial is not a valid path to this discovery. Now, if you simply do not wish to know...tell me. its that easy. Or you can just wait, for I am about to just give up trying. I am not gaining any benefit for doing this, infact it is doing me harm...( knowing before I began this quest that I would be critized and ridiculed - what you think I did not already know this? ) the benefit is for all of you or many of you or some of you or just one of you.

Does any of you think I did not know ahead of time that when I present a truth one does not like, but one can not find flaw in that they would simply ignore that which I presented? When one sees something I reveal and it is against their unerstandin AND they think they can subdue what I have said by complicating it to obscurity that it is what they would attempt? Does this mean I think I am always correct? nope Does it mean I am not open to other persepective? nope - it is why I am here to begin with.. to welcome other perspectives to engage and consider them. Am I doing a single thing wrong by allowing myself to be considered by myself as not understanding perfectly?

You have read the posts of trolls and those who present false doctrines and made false prophecies that have been easily destroyed, the pictures they paint look so much alike as they almost always demand no scrutiny to their words... my profile does not fit that at all...have you not considered this? I asked for a test before anyone tried a test.

If you want I should stop... ok. I can even reveal the two witnesses without a test, then leave the forum...no problem Just do not expect that when you finally understand I have told you the truth that it will be of any significance or benefit to you then, for it will not be.

Veteran... Oh yeah, Rex claimed we are friends... does he know we argue like cats and dogs? All the same, i do conssider you a friend.

Reply or the usual.. ignore?

The problem with that is Terry, Satan will masquerade as Jesus Christ, and claim he changed the Sabbath to Sunday. If they do not exalt God's law, then you cannot believe them. And Terry, our understanding is quite different regarding the two witnesses. You believe it's two people, I believe it is the two Testaments of the living Word. This is also why I cannot believe you say you know the two witnesses. I tried to post a study on what the two witnesses actually were, but I remember not where I posted it.

What you really mean is, don't let sites like that destroy one's misguided faith on Ellen White and her failed visions she claimed she received from an angel.



Yeah, I consider us all here as 'brethren', but you're right, family often have heated arguments with each other. Doesn't mean they don't love each other.

If you have seen the verse from Terry, you will have seen that "when a prophet speaketh in the Name of the Lord..." verse. This applies to such a comment made by Ellen White, and she herself made not that yes they expected Christ would come sooner. However the time coming of Christ is conditional upon the people who are and are not doing the work. The message was not being done. Ellen White gave the understanding that such was a conditional prophecy.

Consider the prophet Jonah. His prophecy did not appear conditional did it? He told them, for what they were doing, they were to be destroyed. But what did they do? They repented, and turned to God. Then God reversed His decision.

When God gave the angel the message to give to Ellen White, it did not appear conditional. There were judgemets placed upon all, good or bad. However, they did not keep doing what they should have been doing. Does this mean Ellen White, or God for that matter, was wrong? No. God knew he would not destroy where Jonah prophecied, and He knew that His Son would not be arriving at that time.

 

[tgwprophet]

Raeneske wrote: " The problem with that is Terry, Satan will masquerade as Jesus Christ, and claim he changed the Sabbath to Sunday. If they do not exalt God's law, then you cannot believe them. And Terry, our understanding is quite different regarding the two witnesses. You believe it's two people, I believe it is the two Testaments of the living Word. This is also why I cannot believe you say you know the two witnesses. I tried to post a study on what the two witnesses actually were, but I remember not where I posted it. "

I have seen that study based theory before. I understand you believe it. But do NOT believe the two witnesses are two people
and I do NOT believe I know them..... I KNOW they are two people AND I KNOW them... as I have stated before... " This is not a guess "

This KNOWING was not achieved through a study... it was achieved through a vision from God AND a tested vision from God. Since the first study concerning the comming of the end, even unto today and even most, for at least a little while into tomorrow... studies have failed.

I realize you do not understand me but... Consider... The seals that are so sealed that mankind will not rightly understand these things of endtime prophecy. If it was available to rightly understand these endtime things then the seals would not be sealed and would be useless. Instead consider the seals do protect knowledge of endtime events... thus meaning the understanding is flawed. However, the Vsions from God are most certainly not flawed. So you keep your studious based understanding and I will keep my visions from God and we will see who is correct. I realize this sounds like I put no warrant on study, but that is error, however I do put much more warrant on Visions from God. Study .. if done correct can allow one to readily understand truth concerning endtime prophecies as the seals are opened, but there is a requirement and that is to not neglect other people's perspectives and to insstead keep them, embracee them, test them and be prepared to allow their validity when or if they are correctly revealed. Please excuse the abrupt nature of my writing tis meant to but clarify my position while maintaining accuracy. Understand I do not believe my description of this is as clear as it should be, only the idea is sound., probably cause I been up way to many hours plus I just had my last tooth pulled and it was a difficult one and then got home to discover two of our cows gave birth too... woo hoo

 

[Spirit Covenant]

You really know the two witnesses? are they as powerful in the spirit as the scripture says? Where are they at? can I come and meet them?

 

[tgwprophet]

Hi... Yes I know them. They will be as powerful, but their time of power is not yet. Yes, you could come and meet them. I have said many times,,, first a proper test should be given for them to pass. Their time is not yet, so the test would require to pre-test them before their are given the power of a prophet. A delicate situation, requiring great wisdom. Now, just imagine the glee in your heart if you knew them before their time starts and so know them as their time is. It is my sincere hope that when the world exchanges gifts for the feaths of the two witnesses... that this prophecy is either a generalization or...those that knew them as the two witnesses exchange gifts because of the gladness they have in their heart knowing in just a matter of hours these two will ascend to Heaven.

Now, I could despence with the test... as I know them and I know they are the two witnesses, but since others here have not accepted them, the first step should be a test. I cannot test them...for God told me who they are in a vision...So I have zero need of me testing them. They live in Florida.

I am going to coin a phrase I feel needed.... Denial withOut Provable Evidence -- DOPE
Meaning simple denial is not proof, nor is complex denial without any evidence... it is but DOPE

In God's Word it is said.... Any Every Knee Will Bend... here God has shown that DENIAL without proof will not work, is not acceptable, will not be tolerated. Many may attempt to try simply denying God, But God reccognizes this and wil not tolerate it. Of course, that instance concerns the existance of God and Jesus.