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[Rella ~ I am a woman]

I have read that the Book of enoch does not match the Bible, so I haven't read it. I dont believe the Nephilim are fallen angels or demons I think those two are the same thing. Angels cannot reproduce. If aperson was possessed and had a child, they he would be a possessed person who had a child. No more no less--it does not pass on

In what way does it not match the bible. do you feel it needs to conform to Daniel and Revelation?

Lets recall what we know as is the unexplained from the Bible about Enoch.

You know that Genesis 5:24 states in King Jimmy's Translation (not my favorite but the one that the world accepts.... sheeeesh)

And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

Hebrews 11:5

By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

I do not remember reading who it was that actually saw this happen? Do you?

I do remember that it is said they searched and looked but he could not be found so they
"assumed" God took him to heaven to avoid death.

Now... just an amusing comment from the Book of Enoch.

Chapter 4 verse 22.

22 Before these things Enoch was hidden, and no one of the children of men knew where he was hidden, and where he abode, and what had become of him. And his activities had to do with the Watchers, and his days were with the holy ones.

Well, golly. The book of Enoch parallels the Holy bible.

Now let me ask you this. And I promise to not spoil a story if you decided to read the Book of Enoch....

You say.... Angels cannot reproduce.

First: are you basing that statement on What Jesus said in Mathew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Got questions poses some interesting thoughts.....

Angels have been the subject of story, song, and folklore since time began. And, while angels are a reality—the Bible speaks of them often—much of what we imagine about them is total fiction. Angels have never been human, and humans do not become angels when they die. Angels are not fat babies with wings or beautiful women with an ethereal glow. Angels are spirit beings, created by God to serve Him and humanity (Hebrews 1:14).

In the times the Bible describes their visits to earth, angels always appear as men (Daniel 9:21; Luke 1:26; Matthew 28:1–7). ( Hmmmm... always appear as men. )

The Bible never describes a female angel. (Ummm ... If there are no female angels #1 that would preclude a marriage in heaven. Ill leave #2 to the imagination)

Some questions arise: is there a set number of angels?

Is it possible for angels to reproduce?

The Bible never directly says whether angels reproduce, but Jesus touched on a related subject. When asked about human marriage in eternity, Jesus replied, “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven” (Matthew 22:30).

The fact that there is no marriage among angels has led some to believe that angels are “sexless” or genderless. Of course, if angels are genderless, then a safe assumption is that they do not reproduce—but that conclusion cannot be proved from the text.

The fact that there is no marriage among angels does not necessarily mean there is no gender and no procreation. Angels do not marry, but we can’t make the leap from “no marriage” to “no gender” or “no reproduction,” however logical such a leap would seem.

And I will suggest if there are only male angels, certainly no marriage.

If there are only males that appear as human ... ( from above, In the times the Bible describes their visits to earth, angels always appear as men (Daniel 9:21; Luke 1:26; Matthew 28:1–7)....
you cannot and do not have any evidence from the bible or elsewhere that these never
married and mated with human women... and if they did (I believe they did) what a mix like that would produce.

You dont want to read the Book of Enoch.... Fine. But it is worth the time to study and see the possibilities other people 3have talked about.

Blessings

 

[Raccoon1010]

Well, that does explain possession.

But what are the "angels" that are fallen with Satan/Lucifer?

The bible is clear on Satan and his angels. They existed in heaven. And if you believe the 2nd book of Enoch then they were there to torture sinners in the lower levels of heaven. When Christ redeemed mankind and ascended to heaven they were kicked out by Michael the Arch Angel and fell to earth.

 

[Cassandra]

In what way does it not match the bible. do you feel it needs to conform to Daniel and Revelation?

Lets recall what we know as is the unexplained from the Bible about Enoch.

You know that Genesis 5:24 states in King Jimmy's Translation (not my favorite but the one that the world accepts.... sheeeesh)

And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

Hebrews 11:5

By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

I do not remember reading who it was that actually saw this happen? Do you?

I do remember that it is said they searched and looked but he could not be found so they
"assumed" God took him to heaven to avoid death.

Now... just an amusing comment from the Book of Enoch.

Chapter 4 verse 22.

22 Before these things Enoch was hidden, and no one of the children of men knew where he was hidden, and where he abode, and what had become of him. And his activities had to do with the Watchers, and his days were with the holy ones.

Well, golly. The book of Enoch parallels the Holy bible.

Now let me ask you this. And I promise to not spoil a story if you decided to read the Book of Enoch....

You say.... Angels cannot reproduce.

First: are you basing that statement on What Jesus said in Mathew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.View attachment 38606

Got questions poses some interesting thoughts.....

Angels have been the subject of story, song, and folklore since time began. And, while angels are a reality—the Bible speaks of them often—much of what we imagine about them is total fiction. Angels have never been human, and humans do not become angels when they die. Angels are not fat babies with wings or beautiful women with an ethereal glow. Angels are spirit beings, created by God to serve Him and humanity (Hebrews 1:14).

In the times the Bible describes their visits to earth, angels always appear as men (Daniel 9:21; Luke 1:26; Matthew 28:1–7). ( Hmmmm... always appear as men. )

The Bible never describes a female angel. (Ummm ... If there are no female angels #1 that would preclude a marriage in heaven. Ill leave #2 to the imagination)

Some questions arise: is there a set number of angels?

Is it possible for angels to reproduce?

The Bible never directly says whether angels reproduce, but Jesus touched on a related subject. When asked about human marriage in eternity, Jesus replied, “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven” (Matthew 22:30).

The fact that there is no marriage among angels has led some to believe that angels are “sexless” or genderless. Of course, if angels are genderless, then a safe assumption is that they do not reproduce—but that conclusion cannot be proved from the text.

The fact that there is no marriage among angels does not necessarily mean there is no gender and no procreation. Angels do not marry, but we can’t make the leap from “no marriage” to “no gender” or “no reproduction,” however logical such a leap would seem.

And I will suggest if there are only male angels, certainly no marriage.

If there are only males that appear as human ... ( from above, In the times the Bible describes their visits to earth, angels always appear as men (Daniel 9:21; Luke 1:26; Matthew 28:1–7)....
you cannot and do not have any evidence from the bible or elsewhere that these never
married and mated with human women... and if they did (I believe they did) what a mix like that would produce.

You dont want to read the Book of Enoch.... Fine. But it is worth the time to study and see the possibilities other people 3have talked about.

Blessings

And you have no evidence that they did. For me the watcher part is enough.

I think God took Enoch like the Bible says. He didn't hide.
And the sons of God are the descendants of Seth, and the daughters of men are Cains descendants. There are other threads on this forum with the very same thing. There is no reason for angels to be able to replicate. And if they can with humans why aren't they doing it now?
I am not going to read the book of Enoch. Please.EOS. You don't have to agree with me.

Who are the sons of God and the daughters of men

God most definitely referred to angels as sons of God! Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them. Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also...

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[marks]

I do remember that it is said they searched and looked but he could not be found so they
"assumed" God took him to heaven to avoid death.

I think it was Elijah they searched for.

Much love!

 

[marks]

you cannot and do not have any evidence from the bible or elsewhere that these never

Naturally, as you cannot prove a negative.

Much love!

 

[Scott Downey]

My problem with "the book of Enoch" is that it contains factual errors. The portals for the sun and the winds, for instance.

Much love!

Enoch is interesting to read. Things like that in the book don't mean it has to be read literally, it is illustrative of the divine perfect order in God's creation. Sun Moon Stars all have set jobs they must perform according to the will of God. If they deviate, they get punished or something. I have often thought the sun is a manifestation of an angel doing his job, so there is a sentient mind at work.

When scripture says the stars fall to earth, how can they do that if they are huge glowing plasma suns way larger than the earth. They could do that if they are actually spiritual

Matthew 24
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

 

[marks]

Enoch is interesting to read. Things like that in the book don't mean it has to be read literally, it is illustrative of the order in God's creation. Sun Moon Stars all have set jobs they must perform.

I heartily disagree. The Bible does not contain such factual errors.

Much love!

 

[Scott Downey]

I heartily disagree. The Bible does not contain such factual errors.

Much love!

Then how does that explain this 'error'
Revelation 12:1

The Woman, the Child, and the Dragon​

Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars.

 

[marks]

Then how does that explain this 'error'
Revelation 12:1

The Woman, the Child, and the Dragon​

Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars.

What is the error you are thinking? "A great sign" appeared. And that sign is described.

However, whoever wrote the Book of Enoch described how the sun exits a portal in the east to begin it's course of the day, then enters a portal in the west, traveling by way of the north, to return to it's starting point in the east, to exit the portal and begin again. This is from memory so please excuse me if a mis-state something, and feel free to correct me. I don't know any of the psuedopigrapha like I do the Bible.

And the author described much the same for sort of things for the winds. Completely totally inaccurate. God didn't do that.

Much love!

 

[Scott Downey]

What is the error you are thinking?

Much love!

Or this, is it not in error?
Revelation 6:13
And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind.

What I am saying is these are not 'errors' in scripture, yet seem absurdities. Same with Enoch. And I don't except Enoch as canonical either.

 

[marks]

When scripture says the stars fall to earth, how can they do that if they are huge glowing plasma suns way larger than the earth. They could do that if they are actually spiritual

Matthew 24
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

Are you familiar with the term "phenomenal language"? I think that addresses your question. Same as when it says, the moon will be turned to blood. Not that it becomes a liquid orb composed of platelets, but that the appearance is that it is blood.

I don't see that being the same as the writer of Enoch describing a natural process not observable by man incorrectly.

Much love!

 

[Scott Downey]

Are you familiar with the term "phenomenal language"? I think that addresses your question. Same as when it says, the moon will be turned to blood. Not that it becomes a liquid orb composed of platelets, but that the appearance is that it is blood.

I don't see that being the same as the writer of Enoch describing a natural process not observable by man incorrectly.

Much love!

There is no difference between the way Enoch describes that and stars falling to the earth. I also actually believe the stars will fall to the earth. Jesus told us scripture can not be broken. The stars either are not what we think they are, or they will be changed.

Enoch is having a vision, it does not have to have the scientific accuracy you think it must have.

 

[Scott Downey]

https://ia801001.us.archive.org/19/items/TheCompleteBookOfEnochStandardEnglishVersionJayWinter/The%20Complete%20Book%20of%20Enoch%2C%20Standard%20English%20Version%20-%20Jay%20Winter.pdf

Sound familiar? Notice v9 is what Jude quotes.

Here is 1 Enoch 1
1 The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be living in the days of tribulation, when all the wicked and godless are to be removed. 2 And Enoch, a righteous man whose eyes were opened by God took up his parable and said, "I saw the vision of the Holy One in the heavens, which the angels showed me, and from them I heard everything, and from them I understood as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one which is for to come." 3 Concerning the elect I said, and took up my parable concerning them: "The Holy Great One will come forth from His dwelling, 4 And the eternal God will tread upon the earth, even on Mount Sinai and will appear in the strength of His might from the heaven of heavens. 5 And all shall be smitten with fear and the Watchers shall quake, and great fear and trembling shall seize them unto the ends of the earth. 6 And the high mountains shall be shaken and the high hills shall be made low, and shall melt like wax before the flame. 7 And the earth shall be wholly rent in sunder and all that is upon the earth shall perish, and there shall be a judgement upon all. 8 But with the righteous He will make peace. And will protect the elect, And mercy shall be upon them. And they shall all belong to God, And they shall be prospered, And they shall all be blessed. And He will help them all, And light shall appear unto them, And He will make peace with them. 9 And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones to execute judgement upon all, And to destroy all the ungodly: And to convict all flesh Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed, And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him."

 

[marks]

There is no difference between the way Enoch describes that and stars falling to the earth. I also actually believe the stars will fall to the earth. Jesus told us scripture can not be broken. The stars either are not what we think they are, or they will be changed.

Enoch is having a vision, it does not have to have the scientific accuracy you think it must have.

We all have different standards I suppose.

Much love!

 

[Scott Downey]

Giant crowns found in India and Ecuador. Fit for a being 18 feet in height. Goto the 11 minute mark.

And Mystery History has a lot of interesting videos on ancient stone working.

 

[Raccoon1010]

Giant crowns found in India and Ecuador. Fit for a being 18 feet in height. Goto the 11 minute mark.

And Mystery History has a lot of interesting videos on ancient stone working.

Again a relic without evidence of giant skeletons.

 

[Scott Downey]

Smithsonian Admits to Destruction of Thousands of Giant Human Skeletons in Early 1900's

A US Supreme Court ruling has forced the Smithsonian institution to release classified papers dating from the early 1900's that proves the organization was involved in a major historical cover-up. The cover-up allegedly destroyed evidence showing giant human remains in the tens of thousands had bee

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[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Smithsonian Admits to Destruction of Thousands of Giant Human Skeletons in Early 1900's

A US Supreme Court ruling has forced the Smithsonian institution to release classified papers dating from the early 1900's that proves the organization was involved in a major historical cover-up. The cover-up allegedly destroyed evidence showing giant human remains in the tens of thousands had bee

web.archive.org

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No date on the article.

No reference that SCOTUS actually told them to fess up.

FACT CHECK: DID A SUPREME COURT ORDER REVEAL THE SMITHSONIAN WAS INVOLVED IN A COVER-UP TO ‘PROTECT THE MAINSTREAM CHRONOLOGY OF HUMAN EVOLUTION’?​

10:00 AM 11/29/2019 Elias Atienza | Senior Reporter

An image shared on Facebook claims that the Supreme Court ordered the Smithsonian Institution to disclose it had destroyed “giant human remains” in the early 1900s to “protect the mainstream chronology of human evolution.”



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“History is being tampered,” reads the caption.
Verdict: False
No such Supreme Court ruling exists. The story likely comes from a satire article published in 2014.

 

[Scott Downey]

Ancient depictions of Egyptian giants building the stone structures.

And this

 

[Jericho]

hundreds
Well giants sure is an interesting topic. But the real question I have is why haven't they found any skeletons?

That's a fair question. The conspiracy is that it has been suppressed, but who knows? Depending on the environment, bones can last for decades or longer. Under ideal conditions, they could last centuries, but even bones don't last forever. Foziliation is even more rare. Of all the dinosaurs that have ever lived, only a small fraction have been fossilized. Another factor is that we don't know how many giants there were or how widespread they were; this could also make finding their remains more difficult.

Jude 14-15 quotes the book of Enoch so I do not dismiss it entirely. There must have been a reason it was excluded from the biblical canon, so I don't put as much weight on it as the normal books.

Reversing Hermon by Mike S. Heiser is an interesting read. The first-century Jews were well aware of the Book of Enoch, and it had quite an impact on their theology. Jude and 2 Peter quote directly from it, but its influence can be found all throughout the New Testament if you do a deep dive into it. I don't consider it to be divinely inspired, but it is useful as commentary.