Born Again or Christian? Is there a difference and what is your biblical support ?

[Ritajanice]

The real question is what it means to you. Clearly if you are not a Christian, then, by definition, you are not a follower of Christ.

A follower of Christ....?

We must be Born Again then we are a follower of Christ, you put the horse before the cart.
it’s our spirit that is Born Again...Spirit gives birth to spirit?

Gods truth must be put forward and spoken in his truth.

I just did that....once again you posted your opinion with no scripture to back it up?

 

[JBO]

We all came from God...we all need to be reconciled back to God , by having our sins forgiven by him...that is through becoming Born Again..

Actually, that is not true. Being born again is regeneration. But strictly speaking the forgiveness of sins and regeneration, while they both occur at the same instant in the life of the believer, are not really the same thing.

 

[Ritajanice]

Actually, that is not true. Being born again is regeneration. But strictly speaking the forgiveness of sins and regeneration, while they both occur at the same instant in the life of the believer, are not really the same thing.

Being Born Again is the same as regeneration.....again this is your opinion as mine is.

We are drawn to Jesus, by God, we are brought to repentance/ Godly sorrow by God, we are brought to believe in Jesus by God, he initiated the whole process.....

 

[Ritajanice]

while they both occur at the same instant in the life of the believer, are not really the same thing.

Then please explain what you are talking about here?
Sounds like you contradicted yourself?

You just said Born Again and regeneration are the same...now you say here that they aren’t?

 

[JBO]

Then please explain what you are talking about here?
Sounds like you contradicted yourself?

You just said Born Again and regeneration are the same...now you say here that they aren’t?

No, I said forgiveness of sins and regeneration are not the same thing. Born again and regeneration are the same thing. Under the New Coventant the forgiveness of sin is essentially the same as justification which is different from regeneration. Salvation consists of justification, regeneration and sanctification.

 

[Ritajanice]

No, I said forgiveness of sins and regeneration are not the same thing. Born again and regeneration are the same thing. Under the New Coventant the forgiveness of sin is essentially the same as justification which is different from regeneration. Salvation consists of justification, regeneration and sanctification.

Yes, I agree forgiven of our sins and Born Again aren’t the same...we can only be forgiven...... once our sins are forgiven...and only GOD via His Spirit can forgive us of our sins.

Ephesians 5:8-14​

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8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth 10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. 12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. 13 But all things that are reproved [1] are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. 14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
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[JBO]

Yes, I agree forgiven of our sins and Born Again aren’t the same...we can only be forgiven...... once our sins are forgiven...and only GOD via His Spirit can forgive us of our sins.

No, God does not forgive sins "via" the Holy Spirit. See passages like Matthew 6:15 and many others.

 

[Ritajanice]

No, God does not forgive sins "via" the Holy Spirit. See passages like Matthew 6:15 and many others.

God does forgive sins via the Holy Spirit.....or you would never be Born of the Spirit ,period.

Once again your opinion.....what brings your spirit Alive @JBO .?

How can our spirit be Born Again if we haven’t been forgiven of our sins @JBO

@JBO

Romans 6​

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New International Version​

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Dead to Sin, Alive in Christ​

6 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his.6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with,[a] that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7 because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.
8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. 13 Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. 14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

When we are Born Again @JBO ?....what do you think dies in us?

We have a new nature when we have been forgiven of our sins by God, via his Holy Spirit ....we are a new creation, our new nature is in Christ.....it’s no longer I who lives but Christ in me. @JBO

 

[JBO]

How can our spirit be Born Again if we haven’t been forgiven of our sins @JBO

Born again (regeneration) and forgiveness of sins (justification) are two different acts of God that happen at the exact same instant in the life of the believer.

 

[Ritajanice]

Born again (regeneration) and forgiveness of sins (justification) are two different acts of God that happen at the exact same instant in the life of the believer.

I’ve already explained my case using scripture.....I stand on the word of God.

Can you please answer my questions? @JBO

God does forgive sins via the Holy Spirit.....or you would never be Born of the Spirit ,period.

Once again your opinion.....what brings your spirit Alive @JBO .?

How can our spirit be Born Again if we haven’t been forgiven of our sins @JBO

@JBO

Romans 6​

New International Version​

Dead to Sin, Alive in Christ​

6 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his.6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with,[a] that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7 because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.
8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. 13 Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. 14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

When we are Born Again @JBO ?....what do you think dies in us?

We have a new nature when we have been forgiven of our sins by God, via his Holy Spirit ....we are a new creation, our new nature is in Christ.....it’s no longer I who lives but Christ in me. @JBO

Which means what exactly @JBO .?

Are you Born Again or are you still a Christian?

 

[JBO]

I’ve already explained my case using scripture.....I stand on the word of God.

Can you please answer my questions? @JBO

God does forgive sins via the Holy Spirit.....or you would never be Born of the Spirit ,period.

Once again your opinion.....what brings your spirit Alive @JBO .?

How can our spirit be Born Again if we haven’t been forgiven of our sins @JBO

@JBO

Romans 6​

New International Version​

Dead to Sin, Alive in Christ​

6 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his.6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with,[a] that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7 because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.
8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. 13 Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. 14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

When we are Born Again @JBO ?....what do you think dies in us?

We have a new nature when we have been forgiven of our sins by God, via his Holy Spirit ....we are a new creation, our new nature is in Christ.....it’s no longer I who lives but Christ in me. @JBO

Which means what exactly @JBO .?

Are you Born Again or are you still a Christian?

Born again (regeneration) and forgiveness of sins (justification) are two different acts of God that happen at the exact same instant in the life of the believer.

 

[Ritajanice]

Born again (regeneration) and forgiveness of sins (justification) are two different acts of God that happen at the exact same instant in the life of the believer.

Explain your testimony then?....on how you were forgiven of your sins and how you became Born Again. How did you know that you have been Born Again?..

How do you know that your sins are forgiven...no good reading it from scripture anyone can do that @JBO

You have to know it in your spirit @JBO ?..when your spirit is Born Again.
I ask again are you Born Of The Spirit or are you a Christian?

 

[JBO]

How did you know that you have been Born Again?..

I obeyed the gospel.

 

[Ritajanice]

I obeyed the gospel.

I’m Born Of The Spirit.

◄ 1 Peter 1:23 ►

Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. New Living Translation For you have been born again, but not to a life that will quickly end. Your new life will last forever because it comes from the eternal, living word of God. English Standard Version since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God; Berean Standard Bible For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. Berean Literal Bible having been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, by the living and abiding word of God,

 

[JBO]

I’m Born Of The Spirit.

What does that even mean?

 

[Ritajanice]

That is correct @JBO i am Born Again of imperishable seed.

You have to be Born Again to believe the gospel.....that comes through knowing the name of Jesus.and the Holy Spirit forgiving our sins @JBO then we are Born Again.

Reading ones bible and believing in the gospel doesn’t make you Born Again @JBO

Your spirit must be Born Again @JBO. do you understand that Gods Spirit is Alive and Active?

Where does the Living Holy Spirit live in us @JBO ?

What is brought Alive in us @JBO ?

 

[JBO]

You have to be Born Again to believe the gospel.....t

Where does it say that? Scripture please.

 

[Ritajanice]

Where does it say that? Scripture please.

Show me where believing in the gospel or obeying the gospel makes you Born Again?

Gods word says, if we don’t have his Spirit then we are none of his...so, how does one believe or understand the gospel without the Spirit/ Born Again?

Therefore how do you know that you have the Spirit of God/ Born Again?

Born of the Spirit @JBO ?

 

[JBO]

Show me where believing in the gospel or obeying the gospel makes you Born Again?

Gods word says, if we don’t have his Spirit then we are none of his...so, how does one believe or understand the gospel without the Spirit/ Born Again?

So you don't have any scripture that says that you have to be born again to believe. OK, that is just what I thought.

 

[Ritajanice]

So you don't have any scripture that says that you have to be born again to believe. OK, that is just what I thought.

I have provided scripture...now, can you please stop wasting my time, if you can’t back up what you say using scripture, I’ve already explained that God says, if we don’t have the “SPIRIT “ we are none of His....so, I ask again how can you understand God’s word without the Spirit?
Plus I have asked you biblical questions @JBO ..you ignored them..if you have nothing to add scripturally, please don’t waste my time.

Biblical questions?

I’ve already explained my case using scripture.....I stand on the word of God.

Can you please answer my questions? @JBO

God does forgive sins via the Holy Spirit.....or you would never be Born of the Spirit ,period.

Once again your opinion.....what brings your spirit Alive @JBO .?

How can our spirit be Born Again if we haven’t been forgiven of our sins @JBO

Your spirit must be Born Again @JBO. do you understand that Gods Spirit is Alive and Active?

Where does the Living Holy Spirit live in us @JBO ?

What is brought Alive in us @JBO ?