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Hazelelponi

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A fundamental point that I have made is juxtaposed with ‘we, as Christians’ with we, as Americans

We, as Americans have a duty as citizens to stewart our government. We, as Americans, have no moral obligation to obey immoral laws, as MLK taught.

Plato wrote in 380 BC of the futility of law; good men don’t need them and bad men don’t obey morally just laws.

Regarding people’s Earthly needs, government has gone far beyond their proper role in this regard, which is limited to peace, security, order and prosperity.

Peace is in our representatives acting on the will of their constituents. See legal immigration.

Security (lack there of) is seen in the invaders at the southern border.

The simplicity of order is seen in the effectiveness of green, yellow and red lights.

Prosperity is seen in not taking the fruit of labor in free trade. See highest tax rates in world and Houthi rebels disrupting merchant ships in the Red Sea. See unfair trade with China. See giving 20% of uranium to Russia.

Regarding charity cases, people who need charity should not look to coercive agents of government but their own family, neighbor and church.

It's why I support Trump for the presidency - even though I am a Christian.

We won't be able to rein government in ever again if we lose whatever tenuous hold we may have on a biblical worldview governance and a vote for any globalist, Republican or Democrat, is inviting secular humanism (communism, Marxism) to take a more solid root in government then it already enjoys.

By the time people notice there's a serious problem it's often too late to fix when it's communism that's the problem.

For instance, the policies that Trump squashed, like when he didn't sign onto that new EU stye agreement Obama was pushing, Biden is in office upholding the rules thereof, so we seem to be living out policies we had our representatives kill dead anyway.

There's not much hope, in my mind anyway, that we could fix anything, it may simply be too far gone since we are years past noticing at this point and the government is completely out of control.

But I think if God allows it, then He can use anyone, even Trump... And it's worth trying one more time I think.

If it fails I'll likely not vote again. But now, it's worth another shot at trying to fix it.

But it should be said that using this language doesn't mean I'm not trusting in God's will for His people here... God is likely the only one I do trust.

But God also gave us someone who has a chance.. who looks unconventional but is true to his promises once in office. I'll take the chance this is what God wants me to do.
 
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One good point about Trump is... he is not actively trying to destroy Christianity in the US like the liberals are.

A vote for Joe Bribem is a vote to bring more persecution upon Christians to limit our freedom to be Christians in the US
 

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Trump Businesses Received $7.8 Million From Foreign Countries During Presidency, House Reports​


KEY FACTS​

The government of China was the largest spender at Trump properties, according to the report, spending a total of $5,572,548 at Trump Tower and the Trump International Hotels in Washington, D.C. and Las Vegas.

Notably, Trump chose not to impose sanctions on ICBC, a Chinese bank that the Justice Department alleged was helping North Korea avoid sanctions (ICBC’s U.S. headquarters is located at Trump Tower, and paid Trump approximately $7 million in rent at Trump Tower, according to Forbes reporting).


Saudi Arabia also spent an estimated $615,422, the majority of which was sent through a monthly $11,189.21 rent for a property on the 45th floor in Trump Tower.

Meanwhile, Trump signed off on a $100 billion arms deal, and became the first U.S. president to make Saudi Arabia his first foreign visit in office.
The United Arab Emirates spent $65,225 at the Trump International Hotel in Washington over seven months while the Gulf nation was pushing the U.S. to support a blockade of its neighbor Qatar.
The government of India, where Trump owns his largest portfolio of foreign businesses, spent $282,764—mostly on monthly rent for two apartments at Trump Tower.

Now show Biddens wrongs
Biden is a criminal.
Could not even run a hot dog stand.
Trumps companies are legit.
If he expelled foreign business clients or excluded them from renting you would say he is a racist.
He was in business before biden ever entered his criminal political career.
And before he himself entered politics.
Now as for your guy, ALL the money he accepted is dirty and he is a traitor to the USA.
 
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You put politics up on the same level as they Gospel when you said this...

if we are Christians we do, we aren't just going to ignore the fact that there are very real political needs people have right now that, if we were to ignore, would be the equivalent of walking by the unclean man who was beaten, robbed, and naked lying in the ditch and leaving him for dead.

No, I put peoples earthly needs on par with my duty as a Christian towards others. (Love your neighbor as yourself)

This is rather a ludicrous statement don't you think?

Especially considering Jesus said His Kingdom... is NOT of this world.

He also told us not to neglect people's physical needs just because they are unclean in our eyes. Luke 10:25-37
Where does the Bible teach we are called to take over secular governments and make them Christian governments???

I'm not doing that... I'm not even suggesting it.
That has nothing to do with secular government

Why don't you go out and witness to people in your area and make disciples?

Voting and campaigning for some candidate isn't something the Lord has called us to do as it is not part of the Gospel.

Just curious, do you think Christians should have helped to prevent Hitlers rise?

Because essentially that's what I'm speaking against - the rise of the next Hitler - when I talk to people about politics.

There's always been persecution, and it has been increasing around the world for decades... when the one world government gets here most that cl;aim to be christians will get on bosrd the anti-christ train because they don't want to be persecuted and because all the big name preachers will claim the son of perdition is actually a blessing from God and we should get involved with him politically.

You should not be so fearful. View attachment 40786

I know history, we are playing out a pattern that has been seen many times in this world - and it has never once ended in a good place for anyone.

Just because there is persecution of Christians elsewhere doesn't mean one land on earth can't be a refuge from persecution itself.

And it doesn't mean trying to prevent the next government takeover by a dictator is a bad thing.

I believe I have a duty to my neighbor...
 

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Exactly!

And of course liberals claim all white people are racist... and it's white liberals saying that View attachment 40790
it is pure craziness.
It is as if people have lost discernment.
This is truly the end times that we are in. People seem to lose all ability to process information. The Bible speaks of great deception that comes upon the entire planet. When we look back at the way the entire planet handled covid we can see this is so true.
They saw that in China the people with lupus we're not getting covid. Then they found out that they were taking either Ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine ,( I can't seem to remember which one), to treat their lupus.
I don't know what planet people are from that think those two ingredients are somehow so dangerous that we need people to die from covid ,rather than chance drugs that are proven over years and years of use.
(I got my ivermectin at the feed store)
But this being an election year they're going to do that virus thing thingy all over again we know it's coming.
And watch half of America line up and feast on the propaganda
 
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I think it was Post #15. But I'm not sure
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Those were Biden videos.

If it is the video where Trump referred to himself as the chosen one, he's not wrong.

It's both Biblical and Democratic.

Our leaders are chosen by God. And our elections say we the people chose our leaders. Save for the rip of 2020. That was entirely Satan.
 
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He also told us not to neglect people's physical needs just because they are unclean in our eyes. Luke 10:25-37

Which has nothing to do with politics... unless it's someone who looks to the state as being their God as many do.


Just curious, do you think Christians should have helped to prevent Hitlers rise?

Just curious... you think Christians should have taken up arms to go to war against Hitler?

Were does this end for you... are you advocating Christians take up arms and take over the world for Jesus???

Rather than loving your enemies and witnessing to them ... let's go kill them?


And it doesn't mean trying to prevent the next government takeover by a dictator is a bad thing.

I believe I have a duty to my neighbor...

Sounds like you are starting a "christian" militia who will be attacking the government. shooting1.gifshooting3.gif

And those not on board with this idea are living in sin.
 
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I know history, we are playing out a pattern that has been seen many times in this world - and it has never once ended in a good place for anyone.

Just because there is persecution of Christians elsewhere doesn't mean one land on earth can't be a refuge from persecution itself.

And it doesn't mean trying to prevent the next government takeover by a dictator is a bad thing.

I believe I have a duty to my neighbor...
I think God clarifies this for us here,

1 Corinthians 7:20-24 KJV
20) Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.
21) Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather.
22) For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant.
23) Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.
24) Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God.

If we are subject to tyranny, don't be concerned, but if we have opportunity to gain freedoms, do so.

Much love!
 
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marks

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Only one reason for choosing DT over DeSantis from what I can see. There is no "fever" surrounding DeSantis, while people are caught up in a "fever" where DT is concerned. That fever is not of God....it is an evil spirit....because of trusting in a man - aka idolatry! Guard your HEARTS people!
Not sure about this "fever", but I'm a very enthusiastic supporter of President Trump, very enthusiastic, and with very good reason. I'm not sensing anything ungodly in my support for him, I simply believe very strongly that this is the man we need fix our political landscape, and many of the problems in this nation, not to mention other nations.

There's no idolatry, just an awareness of facts, and a strongly held opinion. And I know many people just like that.

Much love!
 
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There's no idolatry

One way to tell when one is guilty of idolatry is... they get all upset when someone says negative things about the person they are idolizing.

So most folks that are very enthusiastic supporters of Trump believe he is the salvation of our nation which of course is idolatry as they are following Trump more than they are trusting the Lord.



We're not choosing a new God, just a Head of State.

Tell that to Hazelelponi who apparently thinks Christians are called to take over the world er something laughing.gif
 
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One way to tell when one is guilty of idolatry is... they get all upset when someone says negative things about the person they are idolizing.
I'm just telling you my thoughts.

You can run in whatever direction you like.

Much love!
 

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Tell that to Hazelelponi who apparently thinks Christians are called to take over the world er something
I don't have any difficulty mistaking her words for yours.

Matthew 28:18-20 KJV
18) And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Much love!
 
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Big Boy Johnson

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I agree that we're not choosing a new God, and are just voting for a new head of state.

But it's obvious that some are in great fear and if Joe Bribem gets another 4 years they may have to be put in the nut hut! crazy2.gif
 
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Which has nothing to do with politics... unless it's someone who looks to the state as being their God as many do.

Okay... We either see politics completely differently, or I'm just not accurately expressing my view of what politics is and your getting confused by what I'm saying.

My view of politics is straight from the Bible. That God sets up nations and governments to provide for the people of that nations common good. I earlier quoted some Scripture which spells that out.

To punish the evil doer - people who steal, murder and so forth.

It's a deterrent to hurting others, or it's a removing the person from the ability to do so in the near future, therefore , providing a general good to that society.

Also to provide people with a small measure of justice - to have their side of the story taken into consideration, to see that another person's daughter won't be raped etc.

To protect the rights all men are born with, being creations of God.

^^^ this is actually the battle right now at the border. Many of these immigrants will be turned into slaves now that they are here.. Many of them came into this country as slaves, and the Dems plan on using them for slaves.

But, if they simply legalize them all, then we all turn into slaves..

It's an issue in 2024 because secular humanism doesn't believe all men have an inherent worth or an inherent set of "rights" given to them at their creation because they don't believe in any God.

They believe they are happy accidents and that the human being has no more inherent worth, or inherent rights, than the ostrich...

^^^ they made sure to televise this teaching at Davos this year...

In their views, no one should have any rights other than whatever privileges their "social superiors" give them, in their point of view.

The Biblical worldview calls these teachers liars, and evil men - if you believe in the Bible anyway.

Our country is founded on the fact God does indeed have a general good which God desires government in this world to fulfill. Founded on the fact the Bible is prescriptive of how a government should be run.

It is not the church at all because the general good is for believers and unbelievers alike.

It is a secular institution, but in America it's a secular institution that is predicated on the fact that there is a God and mankind does have a certain set of rights they are born with that God intends for them to have, and that God intends no government to take away.

If you take that base away, that base set of biblical facts about man - you loose your freedom and live however the "state" wants you to live, with no more rights than the ostrich, instead of the opportunity to get the tiniest taste of the goodness of God to draw you into the fold.

Not standing against evils and for things like justice, does a disservice to the general good God would provide for when his prescriptions for government are followed as best as we are able.

Preachers preach.

Christians still give in Charity, real physical charity to those in real need because they know paying taxes has nothing to do with Christian Charity.

Christians try and be sure their personal actions always glorify God, but we are in the minority, there's not some great majority of Christians in America to tout about anywhere.

But I don't think it's beyond God to have His people in a nation they just so happened to be born into stand up against the masses for His prescription for government. It is for peoples general good.

and it beats hands down the system predicated on saying there's no God and men have no worth and therefore have no, or should have no rights that are not specifically given them by their respective governments.
 
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I don't have any difficulty mistaking her words for yours.

Matthew 28:18-20 KJV
18) And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Much love!

Thank you!

Gods love and peace with you always!
 
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It's why I support Trump for the presidency - even though I am a Christian.

We won't be able to rein government in ever again if we lose whatever tenuous hold we may have on a biblical worldview governance and a vote for any globalist, Republican or Democrat, is inviting secular humanism (communism, Marxism) to take a more solid root in government then it already enjoys.

By the time people notice there's a serious problem it's often too late to fix when it's communism that's the problem.

For instance, the policies that Trump squashed, like when he didn't sign onto that new EU stye agreement Obama was pushing, Biden is in office upholding the rules thereof, so we seem to be living out policies we had our representatives kill dead anyway.

There's not much hope, in my mind anyway, that we could fix anything, it may simply be too far gone since we are years past noticing at this point and the government is completely out of control.

But I think if God allows it, then He can use anyone, even Trump... And it's worth trying one more time I think.

If it fails I'll likely not vote again. But now, it's worth another shot at trying to fix it.

But it should be said that using this language doesn't mean I'm not trusting in God's will for His people here... God is likely the only one I do trust.

But God also gave us someone who has a chance.. who looks unconventional but is true to his promises once in office. I'll take the chance this is what God wants me to do.
WHO is going to rein over the beast system . What is cannot be stopped . hope not in men.
both sides are and have long been under the control of the dark one
and both sides though they holler out their messages and give out hope to men
ARE DOING the work of THAT SAME SYSTEM .
You do realize people can act like they are against something
even speak out as though they are
and yet , they are doing its bidding .
The most liberal agenda ever , the one world order , the most liberal pope
to sit the throne and its vatican ................ITS RELIGOIN IS THE ABRAHAM bring the religoins together mantra.
ANY GUESSES who HELPED USHER THAT IN .
a hint , a man who spoke non stop against the one world govt
even mocked the pope himself , YET THE SAME DONALD TRUMP
OFFERED UP THE ABRAHAM POPE ACCORDS . ITS ALL A SHAM FOLKS . YOU WILL ALL SIT at the FEET Of the beast
if you continue to heed these men . THEY OFFER EVEN NOW the same solutoin
UNITY , common ground message , RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE that the POPE HIMSELF invented . WE BEING DUPED DUDE
 

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wanna hear something real scary .
There once was a man
who lived in times past .
The man helped to usher in the greatest peace and prosperity a nation had ever seen .
The nation had went from totally dead end bankrupt to a flourishing naition .
That man did more for his nation concerning prosperity than any man has ever done in history .
the man , ADOLF HITLER . NOW TELL ME , SHOULD WE SIT UNDER A MAN JUST CAUSE
HE CAN TURN THE COUNTRY AROUND AND MAKE IT FLOURISH .
HAD HITLER DIED BEFORE THE GREAT WAR , HE HAD WENT DOWN AS HITLER THE GREAT .
NO OTHER MAN TURNED A NATION SO DESTITUTE , SO POVERITY STRICKEN
AROUND SO FAST . AND LOOK WHAT HE DID IN THE END AS MILLIONS DIED .
WE BETTER STOP HOPING AND TRUSTING IN MEN AND RATHER GET US BACK INTO THE BIBLE AGAIN .
HE WHOSE HOPE IS IN THIS LIFE , WHOSE HEART AND CONCERNS ARE FOR THE PLEASURES OF THIS LIFE
aint gonna make it .