Tucker Carlson in Moscow to interview Vladimir Putin

[Wrangler]

Estimates now are that more than 400,000 Ukrainians have died in Biden's war. So far.

As they try to ram through another $60 Billion to keep the killing machines rolling--

Shocking. Horrifying. Evil.

 

[Mr E]

Shocking. Horrifying. Evil.

It's been an amazing journey digging into this-- and I have to credit Tucker for drawing my attention.

Putin is incredibly complicated while at the same time, quite simple in terms of ideology. He feels wronged by the West-- who promised not to expand NATO, then did just that. He felt threated by the intent to expand again into Ukraine.

But it's much more than that. He is standing up against the West ideologically. He is standing up against Western, progressive, liberalism--which he sees as a rebranding of fascism. In one of those Hillsdale lectures there's a Canadian author who has really dug into a fellow by the name of Aleksandr Dugin-- a man who is steeped in philosophical matters whom they refer to as "Putin's Brain." He's not in government, but rather he acts as a philosophical mentor to Putin-- and anyway this modern day Rasputin has had some influence in shaping Putin's strategy and certainly has influenced Putin's thought and actions.

His book-- the Fourth Political Theory presents a model that is against the other three political tracks-- Communism, Fascism and Liberalism. Together with Putin-- they reject Soviet communism on the whole, though that is the framework that Russia fell into. While America-- has similarly fallen into a liberalism that is even worse in that it has become fascist in a higher degree than even communism could have.

This fourth theory simply stands against all of the former. Putin thinks he is fighting progressive liberalism-- the open borders, the transgender nonsense, abortion, globalism, and NATO-UN encroachment on Russia sovereignty.... NATO and the UN having embraced all of the progressive liberal ideals. To fight one is to fight all.

His ideals are in a sense admirable and in effect--- very Trump-like, as well as very much like recently elected world leaders in places like Spain, Argentina and Hungary.... all of whom are saying-- No more-- to the global insanity.

To end the war-- the West would simply have to say they want to stop it. They don't.

 

[Wrangler]

To end the war-- the West would simply have to say they want to stop it. They don't.

Great post! I see it that way as well.

This is why I started this thread, flipping the script in terms of how we can justify peace. Sadly, it has not got much traction. Leftists in Ukraine's pockets don't want to deal with facts that get in the way of the narrative.

Putin Interview & Justification for Peace

Although I have not fully absorbed the Tucker interview of Putin, I wanted to document a few take aways. Brilliant. Tucker said Putin has encyclopedic knowledge of Russian history. Agreed. His analysis from the 9th century on was nothing short of brilliant. Another poster observed Biden would...

www.christianityboard.com

 

[Mr E]

Great post! I see it that way as well.

This is why I started this thread, flipping the script in terms of how we can justify peace. Sadly, it has not got much traction. Leftists in Ukraine's pockets don't want to deal with facts that get in the way of the narrative.

Putin Interview & Justification for Peace

Although I have not fully absorbed the Tucker interview of Putin, I wanted to document a few take aways. Brilliant. Tucker said Putin has encyclopedic knowledge of Russian history. Agreed. His analysis from the 9th century on was nothing short of brilliant. Another poster observed Biden would...

www.christianityboard.com

I'll check it out.

 

[Marymog]

This is truly sad, and Tucker should be ashamed of himself.

Putin invaded a country that did nothing wrong. He is a monster who is single-handedly responsible for all the tragedy and evil that came from his war of aggression. To give Putin a platform to speak and share his views is every bit as immoral as giving the same honor to Hitler.

Whatever happened to journalistic integrity? I guess it’s all about rating these days.

Hey Sain of Light,

Putting aside that all the "evil" men of the past (Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Castro etc) have been interviewed by journalist, why is interviewing Putin and putting his words out there for the world to hear such a bad thing?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

Largest concentration of Nazi’s in the world are in Ukraine. Nothing wrong, huh?

Hey wrangler,

Sooooo once the Nazi's in Ukraine are taken out they should attack the next country with the "largest concentration of Nazi’s"? And then once the Nazi's are taken out in that country, attack the next country with the "largest concentration of Nazi’s"? etc etc

Curious Mary

 

[dev553344]

My concern is that Putin is risking nuclear war which will devastate countless lives. I can see that peace is in order. I watched Catholic Mass today on Ash Wednesday and saw that the Pope called for peace in prayer and although I disagree with the Catholic church and the Pope on different areas I do see that peace is important.

The fact that NATO is pushing closer to Russian, Chinese boundaries does not go unnoticed by God. God is aware of all things. And the fact the Putin attacked in a time of peace and declared war against Ukraine is also noted I'm sure. We all reap what we sow. But I don't think nuclear war will reflect reaping what the public has sown.

I suspect nuclear war will target military installations. So I think the military should also be wise in diverting from nuclear war. The only person that has a bunker is the president and his top affiliates. Attempting to rule after the onset of nuclear war. Hmmm.

 

[Marymog]

You are a dodger. You said Ukraine has done nothing wrong, as if they were innocently laundering money from all over the world when Putin invaded for no reason at all.

Rearding what does justify any country, like Hamas, to invade any country, like Israel, you are appealing to the fallacy of Circular Argument, denying any justification exists. To summarize:

1. Ukraine is the most corrupt country in the West.
2. Russia invaded for very good reasons and are totally justified, far more justified than Hamas was in invading Israel.

So Wrangler........You previously suggested that it was ok to invade Ukraine because of the largest concertation of Nazi's in the world.

Are you now adding corruption as a good reason to invade another country?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

Better than sounding like you, a Deep State globalist propaganda bot.

I am in the record for opposing war with Russia.

It appears you are on the record for invading any country that has Nazi's and corruption(?). But Mexico that also has corruption and drug cartels that kills thousands of their own citizens and thousands of Americans is not worthy of invading because they don't have Nazi's, only corruption. Weird way of thinking....

Your accusation against @Saint of Light makes no sense!

 

[Marymog]

Is corruption right or wrong?

You have no logic and no facts to support your claims. Your claim was that Ukraine did NOTHING wrong. I refuted this claim with facts.

Rather than admit that there exists such a thing as justification for war, you double down and pretend my argument is far weaker than it actually is.

Your argument is weak, Wrangler.

According to your argument there is a "justification for war" with any country that has some Nazi's and corruption. How about a Fascistic country that has corruption? Ripe for invasion?

 

[Wrangler]

Hey wrangler,

Sooooo once the Nazi's in Ukraine are taken out they should attack the next country with the "largest concentration of Nazi’s"? And then once the Nazi's are taken out in that country, attack the next country with the "largest concentration of Nazi’s"? etc etc

Curious Mary

If you think there is nothing wrong with Nazi ideology, that's on you. This facts shows Ukraine is not innocent. To address the justification for peace, I started a separate thread.

Putin Interview & Justification for Peace

Although I have not fully absorbed the Tucker interview of Putin, I wanted to document a few take aways. Brilliant. Tucker said Putin has encyclopedic knowledge of Russian history. Agreed. His analysis from the 9th century on was nothing short of brilliant. Another poster observed Biden would...

www.christianityboard.com

 

[Wrangler]

Are you now adding corruption as a good reason to invade another country?

Nope. Again, the fact that Ukraine is the most corrupt country in the West refutes the claim that Ukraine is innocent.

 

[Wrangler]

It appears you are on the record for invading any country that has Nazi's and corruption(?). But Mexico that also has corruption and drug cartels that kills thousands of their own citizens and thousands of Americans is not worthy of invading because they don't have Nazi's, only corruption.

You do like your Appeal to Strawman. Again, The claim that Ukraine is innocent is not supported by the facts.

As far as why Russia would invade Ukraine rather than Mexico is a subset of the justification for peace. To delve into that, I started another thread.

Putin Interview & Justification for Peace

Although I have not fully absorbed the Tucker interview of Putin, I wanted to document a few take aways. Brilliant. Tucker said Putin has encyclopedic knowledge of Russian history. Agreed. His analysis from the 9th century on was nothing short of brilliant. Another poster observed Biden would...

www.christianityboard.com

 

[Marymog]

Yup but more than that, refuting your claim that they did nothing wrong with facts.

If what you said is a fact, please provide your source.

Thank you....Mary

 

[Wrangler]

According to your argument there is a "justification for war" with any country that

Well, lady you got it all wrong - as usual. What is the justifcation for peace?

You are like so many indoctrinated into believing there is really no justification for war. Any reason is immediately declared insufficient. I'm flipping the script. How can you justify peace? Your reasons (which either don't exist or have not been articulated) are summarily declared insufficient!

 

[Marymog]

If you think there is nothing wrong with Nazi ideology, that's on you. This facts shows Ukraine is not innocent. To address the justification for peace, I started a separate thread.

Putin Interview & Justification for Peace

Although I have not fully absorbed the Tucker interview of Putin, I wanted to document a few take aways. Brilliant. Tucker said Putin has encyclopedic knowledge of Russian history. Agreed. His analysis from the 9th century on was nothing short of brilliant. Another poster observed Biden would...

www.christianityboard.com

Nice try Wrangler. Your twisting of what was said and dodging my question won't work on me. I never once said and at no time suggested that there is nothing wrong with Nazi ideology. Stop lying about what I said! Please answer the question:

Once the Nazi's in Ukraine are taken out they should attack the next country with the "largest concentration of Nazi’s"? And then once the Nazi's are taken out in that country, attack the next country with the "largest concentration of Nazi’s"?

Patient Mary

 

[Marymog]

Nope. Again, the fact that Ukraine is the most corrupt country in the West refutes the claim that Ukraine is innocent.

Yup, the government of Ukraine (and every country in the world) are guilty when it comes to corruption. Who suggested they are innocent of corruption? I missed that post.....

Mary

 

[Marymog]

You do like your Appeal to Strawman. Again, The claim that Ukraine is innocent is not supported by the facts.

As far as why Russia would invade Ukraine rather than Mexico is a subset of the justification for peace. To delve into that, I started another thread.

Putin Interview & Justification for Peace

Although I have not fully absorbed the Tucker interview of Putin, I wanted to document a few take aways. Brilliant. Tucker said Putin has encyclopedic knowledge of Russian history. Agreed. His analysis from the 9th century on was nothing short of brilliant. Another poster observed Biden would...

www.christianityboard.com

Show me where I claimed that Ukraine is innocent. You can't. So, once again, you are lying about me.

I never suggested that Russia should invade Mexico instead of Ukraine. Another twisting of our conversation.

What I said was, It appears you are on the record for invading any country that has Nazi's and corruption(?).

Are you in favor of invading any country that has Nazi's and corruption Wrangler???????????????

 

[Marymog]

Well, lady you got it all wrong - as usual. What is the justifcation for peace?

You are like so many indoctrinated into believing there is really no justification for war. Any reason is immediately declared insufficient. I'm flipping the script. How can you justify peace? Your reasons (which either don't exist or have not been articulated) are summarily declared insufficient!

Another lie. Please stop lying. I have never said or suggested that there is really no justification for war.

No, you are not going to flip the script kiddo. You are dodging questions. You like to do that. Nice try. You also like to partially quote me so you don't have to answer questions. Let's try again. You answer my question and then I will answer yours:

According to your argument there is a "justification for war" with any country that has some Nazi's and corruption. How about a Fascistic country that has corruption? Ripe for invasion?

Patient Mary

 

[Marymog]

Again, The claim that Ukraine is innocent is not supported by the facts.

What "facts"?

Because you said it, that makes it true?

Provide your FACTS instead of opinion.