The importance of works.

[Rex]

The Council fathers continued by saying, "If anyone says that the sinner is justified by faith alone, meaning that nothing else is required to cooperate in order to obtain the grace of justification and that it is not in any way necessary that he be prepared and disposed by the action of his own will, let him be anathema" (Session 6: can. 9).
By the way, "let him be anathema" means "let him be excommunicated," not "let him be cursed to hell." The phrase was used in conciliar documents in a technical, theological sense, not in the same sense as the word "anathema" is found in Scripture. Don't let "Bible Christians" throw you for a loop on this one.

The mouth is the chimney unto the soul, what so ever is in a mans heart proceeds out of his mouth.
Matthew 15:18

 

[epostle1]

Hi Kepha31,

I stand on the premis that mixing the law (covenant) and grace (covenant) is like mixing new wine in an old wineskin and it leads to confusion and causes a person to take offense (which the BIble says will happen a lot in these last days).

To make my point regarding your post: You said faith is faith and works are works. They are distinct and yet must act together in order to receive God's unmerited gift of justification. So is what you're saying that by a person's works and their faith acting together they deserve God's unmerited gift. That would make it a wage, not a gift.

That would be true if you confuse "works of the law" with "good works". Your premise is common.

Paul’s teaching that we are not justified by “works of the law” refer to the law of Moses or to any legal system that makes God our debtor. They do not refer to good works done in grace with faith in Christ.

James 2:24 – compare to Gal. 2:16 –and Rom. 3:20, Rom. 3:28 –


James 2:24 appears to be inconsistent with Gal. 2:16 and Rom. 3:20,28 until one realizes that the Word of God cannot contradict itself. This means that the “works” in James 2:24 are different from the “works of the law in Gal. 2:16 and Rom. 3:20,28. James is referring to “good works” (e.g.,clothing the naked; giving food to the poor) and Paul is referring to the “Mosaic law” (which included both the legal, moral and ceremonial law) or any works which oblige God to give us payment. Here is more proof:

Rom. 3:20, Rom. 32:8; Gal. 2:16 - Paul's phrase for "works of the law" in the Greek is "ergon nomou" which means the Mosaic law or Torah and refers to the teachings (legal, moral) and works (ceremonial) that gave the Jews the knowledge of sin, but not an escape from sin.

We have further proof of this from the Dead Sea Scrolls which provide the Hebrew equivalent ("hrvt ysm") meaning "deeds of the law," or Mosaic law. James in James 2 does not use "ergon nomou." He uses "ergois agathois." Therefore, Paul’s "works of the law" and James' "works" are entirely different types of works. Again, they could never contradict each other because the Scriptures are the inspired word of God. source

Your conclusion of a wage is wrong because your premise is wrong. But you are not alone, most non-Catholics fall for this error because they think Catholics are out to get brownie points when we do corporate works of mercy. Real love bursts with a desire to share itself. That is why God created the universe, and we are made in His image and likeness.

Further, faith does not save a person. Grace saves a person and that grace is a free gift to anyone who believes it. By grace thru faith. Works are how a person in the old covenant was justified and it never worked out for anyone.. In this new and better covenant we are saved by grace and that is working out so well. Mixing the two covenants gives you all the benifits of being saved but gives you the disadvantages of living under the law. and there are many.

I agree we are not under the law and Catholicism has always taught salvation by grace through faith. That is a teaching the so-called reformers borrowed from us.

 

[Rex]

Hi Kepha31,

I stand on the premis that mixing the law (covenant) and grace (covenant) is like mixing new wine in an old wineskin and it leads to confusion and causes a person to take offense (which the BIble says will happen a lot in these last days).

To make my point regarding your post: You said faith is faith and works are works. They are distinct and yet must act together in order to receive God's unmerited gift of justification. So is what you're saying that by a person's works and their faith acting together they deserve God's unmerited gift. That would make it a wage, not a gift.

Get ready for the merry-go-round of the RCC copy paste teaching. Talking in circles makes people dizzy. I get dizzy reading their philosophy they call the word of god. Eventually you'll end up right back at kepha's original statement. Their going to require the 7 sacraments. Saying and doing are two different things.

Now that he has pasted his reply ask him about his original statement again. Notice his C/P never addressed his comment directly.

Source http://www.catholica...rg/ap020800.htm

Faith and Works

There is perhaps no greater confusion among Roman Catholic Christians and Evangelical Protestant and Pentecostal Christians than that held over the controversy of faith versus good works. This controversy best warrants the balance of scriptures necessary in reading the Word of God to understand what God means for us to know.
The Bible is clear that faith holds a first and prominent role in the salvation of every person. Heb 10:38 But my just one shall live by faith ... Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him (God) ...
The Bible is equally clear on the saving role of good works in the lives of the faithful.

I agree we are not under the law and Catholicism has always taught salvation by grace through faith. That is a teaching the so-called reformers borrowed from us.

The constant teaching of the Roman Catholic Church on these Scriptures was clearly restated on January 13, 1547. Council of Trent, On Justification, Ch. VIII When the Apostle says that man is justified by faith and freely, these words are to be understood in that sense in which the uninterrupted unanimity of the Catholic Church has held and expressed them, namely, that we are therefore said to be justified by faith, because faith is the beginning of human salvation, the foundation and root of all justification, "without which it is impossible to please God" and to come to the fellowship of His sons; and we are therefore said to be justified gratuitously, because none of those things that precede justification, whether faith or works, merit the grace of justification. For, "if by grace, it is not now by works, otherwise," as the Apostle says, "grace is no more grace."

The Council also reiterated the relationship of good works to man justified by faith. Council of Trent, On Justification, Ch. XVI

Therefore, to men justified in this manner, whether they have preserved uninterruptedly the grace received or recovered it when lost, are to be pointed out the words of the Apostle: "Abound in every good work, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord. For God is not unjust, that he should forget your work, and the love which you have shown in his name"; and "Do not lose confidence, which hath a great reward." Hence, to those who work well "unto the end" and trust in God, eternal life is to be offered, both as a grace mercifully promised to the sons of God through Christ Jesus, and as a reward promised by God himself, to be faithfully given to their good works and merits.

It looks to me like "by the date" it was the reformers that were teaching you.
You say one thing but require the practice of the other, pretty simple. 7 sacraments ring any bells. Saying and doing are two different things.

 

[epostle1]

Get ready for the merry-go-round of the RCC copy paste teaching. Talking in circles makes people dizzy. I get dizzy reading their philosophy they call the word of god. Eventually you'll end up right back at kepha's original statement. Their going to require the 7 sacraments. Saying and doing are two different things.

Now that he has pasted his reply ask him about his original statement again. Notice his C/P never addressed his comment directly.

Source http://www.catholica...rg/ap020800.htm

The topic is "The importance of works." It is not "The importance of bashing kepha31"
All my comments refer directly to the quote.
All my posts are on topic.
The 7 sacraments are never discussed unless Catholics are baited or goaded by ignorant self-proclaimed authorities. A thread title on the 7 sacraments is forbidden by forum rules.
You have the wrong source, but it is a good one nonetheless. My source is clearly posted at the end of my C/P's.

There is nothing wrong with copy and pasting provided it is on topic and is not 5 miles long. The reason you have no resources to copy from is that there is no theological support on line for your one man bible cult.

It looks to me like "by the date" it was the reformers that were teaching you.

The reformers ripped love from faith. Trent corrected them.

My concluding argument against rand's premise and conclusion of "wage" ended with:

"...they think Catholics are out to get brownie points when we do corporate works of mercy. Real love bursts with a desire to share itself. That is why God created the universe, and we are made in His image and likeness. "

You should just accept the truth instead of writhing and foaming at the mouth.

 

[Rex]

The topic is "The importance of works." It is not "The importance of bashing kepha31"
All my comments refer directly to the quote.
All my posts are on topic.
The 7 sacraments are never discussed unless Catholics are baited or goaded by ignorant self-proclaimed authorities. A thread title on the 7 sacraments is forbidden by forum rules.
You have the wrong source, but it is a good one nonetheless. My source is clearly posted at the end of my C/P's.

There is nothing wrong with copy and pasting provided it is on topic and is not 5 miles long. The reason you have no resources to copy from is that there is no theological support on line for your one man bible cult.



The reformers ripped love from faith. Trent corrected them.

Those are some pretty strong statements from someone that can't make a post without referencing the superiority of the catholic church vs the inferiority of protestants.
I missed the "no posting of the sacraments" rule, but I believe there is one about recruiting members to your church.

 

[Axehead]

The reformers ripped love from faith. Trent corrected them.

My concluding argument against rand's premise and conclusion of "wage" ended with:

"...they think Catholics are out to get brownie points when we do corporate works of mercy. Real love bursts with a desire to share itself. That is why God created the universe, and we are made in His image and likeness. "

You should just accept the truth instead of writhing and foaming at the mouth.

Boy, someone is still waging a war with the "Reformers".

Look, God will judge men's works and not everyone doing "acts of mercy" is doing the will of God or have you forgotten 1 Cor 13.

Now, do we have to trumpet and judge who is doing God's will or not. How ridiculous. It is enough to know that we must get our marching orders from the Lord. He will give us our assignments each day. Last I checked, He was still Head of the Church, His Body.

Those who know Him, know how to seek His will for their lives. His Will is His Word and that will never change. And the Holy Spirit knows how to communicate to the children of God and bring the Word to life.

2Co_3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Eph_2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

A Believer is yoked up to the Lord Jesus as his/her Shepherd and as such, will be led by Him.

Axehead

 

[epostle1]

Those are some pretty strong statements from someone that can't make a post without referencing the superiority of the catholic church vs the inferiority of protestants.
I missed the "no posting of the sacraments" rule, but I believe there is one about recruiting members to your church.

Again, the topic is "The importance of works." If my posts make your bible-cult-of-one feel inferior, it's because it is. And I never assert superiority. If anything, I assert fulness of faith, because it's true. And I have only done so once, if I recall correctly. Are you suggesting that everyone in here has a right to post their beliefs except Catholics? Or are you just singling me out because I find your man-made Christianity so easy to refute?

Asserting that the Catholic Church has the fulness of faith must be proven, and this was done ONCE in a thread discussing the 4 marks of God. Non-Catholic churches were not entirely excluded. the post is so old I couldn't find it if I tried.

Show me one post of mine where I am requiting anyone into the Catholic Church.
Show me one post of mine where I tell anyone they should become Catholic.
All I am doing is the same as everybody else, and if my light shines a bit brighter, then cover your eyes, harden your heart, and leave me alone.

 

[Axehead]

Again, the topic is "The importance of works." If my posts make your bible-cult-of-one feel inferior, it's because it is. And I never assert superiority. If anything, I assert fulness of faith, because it's true. And I have only done so once, if I recall correctly. Are you suggesting that everyone in here has a right to post their beliefs except Catholics? Or are you just singling me out because I find your man-made Christianity so easy to refute?

Asserting that the Catholic Church has the fulness of faith must be proven, and this was done ONCE in a thread discussing the 4 marks of God. Non-Catholic churches were not entirely excluded. the post is so old I couldn't find it if I tried.

Show me one post of mine where I am requiting anyone into the Catholic Church.
Show me one post of mine where I tell anyone they should become Catholic.
All I am doing is the same as everybody else, and if my light shines a bit brighter, then cover your eyes, harden your heart, and leave me alone.

Ok, Kepha, so what is your reply to my posts on works? Post #16 and #8? Notice, I agreed with you in post #8.

What are you trying to prove? There are all kinds of people in all kinds of religious organizations that believe works reveal genuine faith as in the case of Abraham and Rahab and there are many that just believe in faith apart from works. We have encountered those who say you don't have to have any physical manifestation of works that justify your genuine faith. Well, we know James argued with that. Some even say the thief on the cross did not have any works, but the first real work of God is to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ (in your heart) that you may be saved and confess Him with your mouth. Just before the thief died, he exhibited is faith in correcting and admonishing the other criminal. This was righteousness and faith manifesting in him during his last minutes.

So, what's the point? Are you trying to paint a broad brush over all non-Catholics? That's what it looks like.

There does not seem to be any fellowship in the Spirit with you. You know, "gathering around Christ", "two or more gathered in my name", type of thing. You want us to gather around your doctrine and church in order to have fellowship and there is only fellowship when Believers gather around and unto the Lord. Why all the conditions and prerequisites? Are you not comfortable with just having Christ as your Head fellowshipping with others as equal brothers in the Lord?

Axehead

 

[epostle1]

Axehead, I didn't see your posts because I have you on ignore. Sometimes I'll "view it anyway", just to see if your red-hot hatred has cooled.

My purpose for being here is not a secret. It's under my avatar in plain sight. This forum invites everyone from all backgrounds. If you think Catholics should be excluded then take it up with the moderators or go someplace else. I have as much right to defend and explain Catholicism as you do your non-denominational denomination, or Martin Luther's sola scriptura, or John Calvin's total depravity.

Pay attention to the threads. My posts are 95% DEFENSIVE, in reply to some ignorant self proclaimed authority who knows nothing about Catholicism, but for the falsehoods and misrepresentations that predominate the Protestant landscape. Christians are asking questions about why Catholicism is attacked all the time, and some of them are getting answers from the right sources.

I appreciate your agreement, but when I say, "most non-Catholics fall for this error" about works of the law and good works, it's because the confusion is predominate. Rand had the standard misunderstanding by applying works of the law with every verse that has "works" in it. . You can call that painting a broad brush if you like; I just wanted to stop the error in its tracks. Now I would like to stay on topic and explain the 7 Corporate Works of Mercy and the 7 Spiritual Works of Mercy, if its not too Catholic for you.

 

[Sabitarian]

Hey, guys if you do good works to be seen by man, you have your own reward now, however if you do your good works in secret without seeking the ackalades of men, then God will reward you, before men. humble servant of the Lord God Most High

 

[Rex]

Just keep doing what you're doing kepha
If you knew how helpful you were to the protestants faith you would probably leave.

 

[Axehead]

Hey, guys if you do good works to be seen by man, you have your own reward now, however if you do your good works in secret without seeking the ackalades of men, then God will reward you, before men. humble servant of the Lord God Most High

Amen to that, Sabitarian.

 

[Raeneske]

The Bible nowhere teaches that your works are what bring you into heaven. It is impossible. However, the Bible does stress the importance of works behind your faith. By faith you are justified, lest anyone should boast. But if you have no works behind your faith, and I mean absolutely none, can faith save you?

James 2:17 - Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

"But I believe in God, and Jesus." Good! Even the devils believe in God, and they believe in Jesus. They believe that Jesus is the Son of God. But this does not save them. We bring forth fruits of repentance, fruits of salvation. "By their fruits you shall know them". Men will see the fruits of you, that you are in fact a true Christian. However, they will also see your evil fruits, whereby there are able to tell if you are a true Christian or not.

And yes, do things secretly as well. The Father rewardeth openly for that which is done in secret.

 

[Axehead]

Axehead, I didn't see your posts because I have you on ignore. Sometimes I'll "view it anyway", just to see if your red-hot hatred has cooled.

My purpose for being here is not a secret. It's under my avatar in plain sight. This forum invites everyone from all backgrounds. If you think Catholics should be excluded then take it up with the moderators or go someplace else. I have as much right to defend and explain Catholicism as you do your non-denominational denomination, or Martin Luther's sola scriptura, or John Calvin's total depravity.

Pay attention to the threads. My posts are 95% DEFENSIVE, in reply to some ignorant self proclaimed authority who knows nothing about Catholicism, but for the falsehoods and misrepresentations that predominate the Protestant landscape. Christians are asking questions about why Catholicism is attacked all the time, and some of them are getting answers from the right sources.

I appreciate your agreement, but when I say, "most non-Catholics fall for this error" about works of the law and good works, it's because the confusion is predominate. Rand had the standard misunderstanding by applying works of the law with every verse that has "works" in it. . You can call that painting a broad brush if you like; I just wanted to stop the error in its tracks. Now I would like to stay on topic and explain the 7 Corporate Works of Mercy and the 7 Spiritual Works of Mercy, if its not too Catholic for you.

If someone would be so kind to copy my message to Kepha (below) into their post so Kepha can see my response to his post, I would really appreciate it. Kepha has me on ignore so he cannot see my posts.

Kepha, I am actually very happy you are here. I hope you stay. I had really not had the opportunity before you showed up to write so much about "the faith once delivered to the saints".

I don't mind if you are "too Catholic", it is what you are and I would not expect you to act out of character or what you believe in. And, I would not ask you to change for me. I don't ask anyone to change. But, I hope you don't mind if I give your post a response. That is, if I have a response. My perspective is the Word of God so just so you know ahead of time, but I think you already know that.

Sincerely,
Axehead

The Bible nowhere teaches that your works are what bring you into heaven. It is impossible. However, the Bible does stress the importance of works behind your faith. By faith you are justified, lest anyone should boast. But if you have no works behind your faith, and I mean absolutely none, can faith save you?

James 2:17 - Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

"But I believe in God, and Jesus." Good! Even the devils believe in God, and they believe in Jesus. They believe that Jesus is the Son of God. But this does not save them. We bring forth fruits of repentance, fruits of salvation. "By their fruits you shall know them". Men will see the fruits of you, that you are in fact a true Christian. However, they will also see your evil fruits, whereby there are able to tell if you are a true Christian or not.

And yes, do things secretly as well. The Father rewardeth openly for that which is done in secret.

From Post #8

Paul is fearful of dead works without a living faith.
James is fearful of a dead faith that produces no good works.

 

[Rex]

To kepha from Axehead
I may be on ignore as well,.................... I don't put people on ignore

Kepha, I am actually very happy you are here. I hope you stay. I had really not had the opportunity before you showed up to write so much about "the faith once delivered to the saints".

I don't mind if you are "too Catholic", it is what you are and I would not expect you to act out of character or what you believe in. And, I would not ask you to change for me. I don't ask anyone to change. But, I hope you don't mind if I give your post a response. That is, if I have a response. My perspective is the Word of God so just so you know ahead of time, but I think you already know that.

Sincerely,
Axehead

 

[Raeneske]

If someone would be so kind to copy my message to Kepha (below) into their post so Kepha can see my response to his post, I would really appreciate it. Kepha has me on ignore so he cannot see my posts.

Kepha, I am actually very happy you are here. I hope you stay. I had really not had the opportunity before you showed up to write so much about "the faith once delivered to the saints".

I don't mind if you are "too Catholic", it is what you are and I would not expect you to act out of character or what you believe in. And, I would not ask you to change for me. I don't ask anyone to change. But, I hope you don't mind if I give your post a response. That is, if I have a response. My perspective is the Word of God so just so you know ahead of time, but I think you already know that.

Sincerely,
Axehead



From Post #8

Paul is fearful of dead works without a living faith.
James is fearful of a dead faith that produces no good works.

Simply cannot tell if you are agreeing with me or not :3 But I will state this:

We cannot have a living faith, without works behind it. Shout you believe in God all you want. Shout you love your spouse all you want. That's cute, that's adorable, but where's the proof? Words mean nothing, if your actions contradict it. (=

 

[epostle1]

If someone would be so kind to copy my message to Kepha (below) into their post so Kepha can see my response to his post, I would really appreciate it. Kepha has me on ignore so he cannot see my posts.

Kepha, I am actually very happy you are here. I hope you stay. I had really not had the opportunity before you showed up to write so much about "the faith once delivered to the saints".

I don't mind if you are "too Catholic", it is what you are and I would not expect you to act out of character or what you believe in. And, I would not ask you to change for me. I don't ask anyone to change. But, I hope you don't mind if I give your post a response. That is, if I have a response. My perspective is the Word of God so just so you know ahead of time, but I think you already know that.

Sincerely,
Axehead


From Post #8

Paul is fearful of dead works without a living faith.
James is fearful of a dead faith that produces no good works.

Acknowledged. If you want to have a better perspective on the Word of God, look at it through the eyes of those who wrote and preserved it.

Simply cannot tell if you are agreeing with me or not :3 But I will state this:

We cannot have a living faith, without works behind it. Shout you believe in God all you want. Shout you love your spouse all you want. That's cute, that's adorable, but where's the proof? Words mean nothing, if your actions contradict it. (=

Agreed

The Works of Mercy

THE CORPORAL ACTS

1. To feed the hungry: "For I was hungry and you gave me to eat." Mt. 25:35
2. To give drink to the thirsty: "...I was thirsty and you gave me to drink..." Mt. 25:35
3. To clothe the naked: "I was...naked and you clothed me..." Mt. 25:36
4. To visit the imprisoned: "I was in prison and you came to me." Mt. 25:36
5. To shelter the homeless: "...I was a stranger and you took me in..." Mt. 25:35
6. To visit the sick: "...I was sick and you cared for me..." Mt. 25:36
7. To bury the dead: "Amen, I say to you, insofar as you did it for one of these least of my brothers, you did it for me." Mt. 25:40

THE SPIRITUAL ACTS

1. To admonish the sinner: "...there will be more joy in Heaven at the repentance of one sinner than at ninety-nine of the righteous who had no need of repentance." Lk. 15:7
2. To instruct the ignorant: "Go into the whole world and proclaim the good news to all creation." Mk. 16:15
3. To counsel the doubtful: "Peace I leave with you, my peace I give to you...Let not your hearts be troubled..." Jn. 14:27
4. To comfort the sorrowful: "Come to me, all you grown weary and burdened, and I will refresh you." Mt. 11:28
5. To bear wrongs patiently: "...Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you." Lk. 6:27-28
6. To forgive all injuries: "And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors." Mt. 6:12
7. To pray for the living and the dead: "Father, I desire that they, too, may be with me where I am..." Jn. 17:24

source​

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[Axehead]

Acknowledged. If you want to have a better perspective on the Word of God, look at it through the eyes of those who wrote and preserved it.



Agreed

The Works of Mercy

THE CORPORAL ACTS

1. To feed the hungry: "For I was hungry and you gave me to eat." Mt. 25:35
   
2. To give drink to the thirsty: "...I was thirsty and you gave me to drink..." Mt. 25:35
   
3. To clothe the naked: "I was...naked and you clothed me..." Mt. 25:36
   
4. To visit the imprisoned: "I was in prison and you came to me." Mt. 25:36
   
5. To shelter the homeless: "...I was a stranger and you took me in..." Mt. 25:35
   
6. To visit the sick: "...I was sick and you cared for me..." Mt. 25:36
   
7. To bury the dead: "Amen, I say to you, insofar as you did it for one of these least of my brothers, you did it for me." Mt. 25:40

THE SPIRITUAL ACTS

1. To admonish the sinner: "...there will be more joy in Heaven at the repentance of one sinner than at ninety-nine of the righteous who had no need of repentance." Lk. 15:7
   
2. To instruct the ignorant: "Go into the whole world and proclaim the good news to all creation." Mk. 16:15
   
3. To counsel the doubtful: "Peace I leave with you, my peace I give to you...Let not your hearts be troubled..." Jn. 14:27
   
4. To comfort the sorrowful: "Come to me, all you grown weary and burdened, and I will refresh you." Mt. 11:28
   
5. To bear wrongs patiently: "...Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you." Lk. 6:27-28
   
6. To forgive all injuries: "And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors." Mt. 6:12
   
7. To pray for the living and the dead: "Father, I desire that they, too, may be with me where I am..." Jn. 17:24

source​

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But, Kepha, you do acknowledge that the Bible is a not a religious rule book where we then commence to check off all these things that you have listed. Correct? But, the Christian, must be led of the Spirit. This keeps us from judging one another with a clipboard and pen, questioning others whether they are meeting their monthly MBO's (Management by Objectives). God does not have a checkoff sheet. He is our Father and we are His sons. He is conforming us to the image of Christ by His Spirit and working Christ's character (fruits of the Spirit) in all those who cooperate (yield to) with Him. This is relational in perspective, not organizational. The Body of Christ is Organic, not Robotic. There is a real, live HEAD to the BODY.

So, I do have a good perspective of the Word of God, and of course it is not now where I would like it to be. On the contrary, far from it, but I am trusting the Holy Spirit to continue to illuminate my Spirit with revelation. The Holy Spirit has led me to adjust many things in the last 35 years and I am sure He will correct me on more things in the future. The Holy Spirit wrote the word through men. I don't have to be able to see through the Apostle's and Prophet's eyes, I just need to see through the eyes of the ONE that gave them the words and inspired them to write them down.

I need to have "ears to hear" and "eyes to see" what the Spirit sayeth, not what man sayeth.


Revelation_2:7, "HE THAT HATH AN EAR, LET HIM HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT SAITH unto the churches;
Revelation_2:11, "HE THAT HATH AN EAR, LET HIM HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT SAITH unto the churches;
Revelation_2:17, "HE THAT HATH AN EAR, LET HIM HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT SAITH unto the churches;
Revelation_2:29, "HE THAT HATH AN EAR, LET HIM HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT SAITH unto the churches."
Revelation_3:6, "HE THAT HATH AN EAR, LET HIM HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT SAITH unto the churches."
Revelation_3:13, "HE THAT HATH AN EAR, LET HIM HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT SAITH unto the churches."
Revelation_3:22, "HE THAT HATH AN EAR, LET HIM HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT SAITH unto the churches."

Nothing about what man says.


"Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice..." (Heb_3:7)

"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;" (1 Tim_4:1)

And Jesus believes that His sheep can hear His voice.ALL Believers are SHEEP, right?
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: (John_10:27)

One thing you missed in your list is all the "one another's" in the NT. There are 22 "one another's".
They will increase your Corporal and Spiritual list. And it is a great list, but it is only part of the Bible in which only the Spirit can give the letter, LIFE.

I don't know whose website this is, but he has the "one anothers".
One Anothers



Kindly,
Axehead

 

[Rex]

A Men Axehead.... plugged in,... on an open road........ late at night......flashing his headlights ........he just keeps going faster....the Lord smiles on you

I don't have to be able to see through the Apostle's and Prophet's eyes, I just need to see through the eyes of the ONE that gave them the words and inspired them to write them down.

 

[epostle1]

But, Kepha, you do acknowledge that the Bible is a not a religious rule book where we then commence to check off all these things that you have listed. Correct? But, the Christian, must be led of the Spirit.

The words of Jesus are not "Holy Spirit" enough. Axehead knows better. ALL HAIL HOLY AXEHEAD!!! FOURTH PERSON OF THE TRINITY!!!