Where does the Pope get his authority?

[Peterlag]

First of all, Mr. Chesterton died some time ago (1936), in case you didn't know. God rest his soul. But he was an English writer, philosopher, Christian apologist, and literary and art critic.

Chesterton created the fictional priest-detective Father Brown, and wrote on apologetics. Even some of those who disagree with him have recognised the wide appeal of such works as Orthodoxy and The Everlasting Man. Chesterton routinely referred to himself as an orthodox Christian, and came to identify this position more and more with Catholicism, eventually converting from high church Anglicanism. Biographers have identified him as a successor to such Victorian authors as Matthew Arnold, Thomas Carlyle, John Henry Newman and John Ruskin.

I googled his name yesterday. If he was Catholic or became Catholic. Well, then I feel we might damage our friendship if I tell you what I think about him.

 

[Augustin56]

I googled his name yesterday. If he was Catholic or became Catholic. Well, then I feel we might damage our friendship if I tell you what I think about him.

Might I recommend that you judge his works on their merit vs some predefined prejudice? He's recognized as one of the intellectual heavy hitters of his time, even by those who didn't like him.

 

[Peterlag]

Might I recommend that you judge his works on their merit vs some predefined prejudice? He's recognized as one of the intellectual heavy hitters of his time, even by those who didn't like him.

You... Catholics are the Christian church.
Me.... Catholics are not the Christian church.

You... Catholics are scholars.
Me.... Catholics produce evil doctrines.

 

[Augustin56]

You... Catholics are the Christian church.
Me.... Catholics are not the Christian church.

You... Catholics are scholars.
Me.... Catholics produce evil doctrines.

I think that pretty well sums it up. Isn't this a great country where we (currently) have the freedom to disagree with one another?

 

[Peterlag]

I think that pretty well sums it up. Isn't this a great country where we (currently) have the freedom to disagree with one another?

Did you vote for Trump?

 

[Augustin56]

Did you vote for Trump?

I voted 3rd party the last time I voted. (Didn't vote in 2020, because the lines were too long and I'm too old to stand that long. Wouldn't have mattered anyway because my state always votes one way.)

 

[Peterlag]

I voted 3rd party the last time I voted. (Didn't vote in 2020, because the lines were too long and I'm too old to stand that long. Wouldn't have mattered anyway because my state always votes one way.)

I assume you're an American. You kinda look like you could be from Ireland. So you are not a Trump supporter?

 

[Augustin56]

I assume you're an American. You kinda look like you could be from Ireland. So you are not a Trump supporter?

I would vote for Trump over Biden any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. But I would much prefer another choice than what we have today between the two. Certainly there has to be someone out there who is honest, intelligent, and has the country's best interests in mind and is capable of leadership at all levels. And who isn't over the hill, age wise.

 

[Peterlag]

I would vote for Trump over Biden any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. But I would much prefer another choice than what we have today between the two. Certainly there has to be someone out there who is honest, intelligent, and has the country's best interests in mind and is capable of leadership at all levels. And who isn't over the hill, age wise.

If such a person was on this planet that you speak about. The machine in place would destroy them.

 

[Augustin56]

If such a person was on this planet that you speak about. The machine in place would destroy them.

Probably. The moral demise of a nation always precedes its ultimate demise. I don't think it's within human ability, at this point, to recover. God will have to step in and shake the planet up just to get everyone's attention. And I think that'll happen within the near future. (If I wanted to sandbag, I'd say within the next 10 years, but I think it'll be much sooner.)

 

[Peterlag]

Probably. The moral demise of a nation always precedes its ultimate demise. I don't think it's within human ability, at this point, to recover. God will have to step in and shake the planet up just to get everyone's attention. And I think that'll happen within the near future. (If I wanted to sandbag, I'd say within the next 10 years, but I think it'll be much sooner.)

I don't see God stepping in. Unless you are referring to the end times.

 

[Hobie]

Ok that link is just werid.

What they did is hard to believe...

 

[Hobie]

You... Catholics are the Christian church.
Me.... Catholics are not the Christian church.

You... Catholics are scholars.
Me.... Catholics produce evil doctrines.

You will know them by their results..

 

[Peterlag]

You will know them by their results..

Much of the Roman Catholic doctrine was assimilated into Protestantism and is still being passed along as Christian groups continue to split off from one another. In a nutshell that is why even the independent church in your neighborhood today most probably believes that there is a trinity, dead people are alive, God is in control of everything that happens, the Four Gospels are written to Christians, and water baptism is relevant. And then there's everything that you know about our sin nature was taught to you by them.

 

[The Learner]

Much of the Roman Catholic doctrine was assimilated into Protestantism and is still being passed along as Christian groups continue to split off from one another. In a nutshell that is why even the independent church in your neighborhood today most probably believes that there is a trinity, dead people are alive, God is in control of everything that happens, the Four Gospels are written to Christians, and water baptism is relevant. And then there's everything that you know about our sin nature was taught to you by them.

Friend, I am having trouble reading what ever color you are using. I am color blind. Black works best for me.

 

[Peterlag]

Friend, I am having trouble reading what ever color you are using. I am color blind. Black works best for me.

Much of the Roman Catholic doctrine was assimilated into Protestantism and is still being passed along as Christian groups continue to split off from one another. In a nutshell that is why even the independent church in your neighborhood today most probably believes that there is a trinity, dead people are alive, God is in control of everything that happens, the Four Gospels are written to Christians, and water baptism is relevant. And then there's everything that you know about our sin nature was taught to you by them.

 

[Augustin56]

Much of the Roman Catholic doctrine was assimilated into Protestantism and is still being passed along as Christian groups continue to split off from one another. In a nutshell that is why even the independent church in your neighborhood today most probably believes that there is a trinity, dead people are alive, God is in control of everything that happens, the Four Gospels are written to Christians, and water baptism is relevant. And then there's everything that you know about our sin nature was taught to you by them.

Peterlag, you have piqued my curiosity. Where are you getting your information regarding your beliefs? An angel? Jesus came back quietly in the night and told you? Certain books you've run across? YouTube? Where is the source?

 

[Peterlag]

Peterlag, you have piqued my curiosity. Where are you getting your information regarding your beliefs? An angel? Jesus came back quietly in the night and told you? Certain books you've run across? YouTube? Where is the source?

@Aunty Jane... Put it this way and I don't care where she got this information from because she's right.

”5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.”

What “form” does God have? As already mentioned, it is spirit form… all who occupy the spirit realm are spirits, including God. Can you deny that? (John 4:24)

How did Jesus “empty himself” to take the form of a servant? Who is he serving? Himself? Can God volunteer to become his own servant? Why would he need to? Do you not understand what redemption is? An immortal God cannot die. There are two things that God cannot do… lie or die.

You are reading the same words that I am, but you are reading right over the ones that challenge your belief.
I am explaining the whole passage… apparently you ignore what you don’t want to acknowledge.

I worship the same God that Jesus did... you have swallowed an ancient lie that goes back centuries to when the great apostasy, foretold by Jesus and his apostles, took over "the church". The triune god idea is borrowed from paganism, not the Bible.

Trinities are found in pagan religions but nowhere in the Bible will you find one.

 

[Augustin56]

@Aunty Jane... Put it this way and I don't care where she got this information from because she's right.

”5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.”

What “form” does God have? As already mentioned, it is spirit form… all who occupy the spirit realm are spirits, including God. Can you deny that? (John 4:24)

How did Jesus “empty himself” to take the form of a servant? Who is he serving? Himself? Can God volunteer to become his own servant? Why would he need to? Do you not understand what redemption is? An immortal God cannot die. There are two things that God cannot do… lie or die.

You are reading the same words that I am, but you are reading right over the ones that challenge your belief.
I am explaining the whole passage… apparently you ignore what you don’t want to acknowledge.

I worship the same God that Jesus did... you have swallowed an ancient lie that goes back centuries to when the great apostasy, foretold by Jesus and his apostles, took over "the church". The triune god idea is borrowed from paganism, not the Bible.

Trinities are found in pagan religions but nowhere in the Bible will you find one.

Ok. Good start. Aunty Jane told you this, or at least you agree with her interpreation. Fine. And, you believe she is right. I believe you are both wrong. Where does the buck stop? Who or what is the determining factor of who is right and who is incorrect? Or does it not matter and anyone can believe anything they want, regardless of whether it is true or not?

You read the Bible through your own light, like all Protestant-based Christians. Tens of thousands of differing, contradictory interpretations result, everyone believing that they have the right one. That cannot be the correct approach, because that means most people are wrong. Given a class of 100 2nd grade students. They are given a math problem: 2 + 2 = _____. They turn their papers into the teacher with 100 differing answers. How many, at most, can be correct? 1.

I think it boils down to authority. Who has the authority, given by God, to correctly interpret Divine Revelation? God cannot fail. God created one Church, the Catholic Church. Protestantism didn't begin till the 16th century, and has continually splintered ever since into literally tens of thousands of different-believing denominations, all based on someone's personal interpretation of Scripture. Reading Scripture through their own light. Hence, a large minority of Christians is separated from Christ's Church and the fullness of truth He gave her. Sad.

 

[Peterlag]

Ok. Good start. Aunty Jane told you this, or at least you agree with her interpreation. Fine. And, you believe she is right. I believe you are both wrong. Where does the buck stop? Who or what is the determining factor of who is right and who is incorrect? Or does it not matter and anyone can believe anything they want, regardless of whether it is true or not?

You read the Bible through your own light, like all Protestant-based Christians. Tens of thousands of differing, contradictory interpretations result, everyone believing that they have the right one. That cannot be the correct approach, because that means most people are wrong. Given a class of 100 2nd grade students. They are given a math problem: 2 + 2 = _____. They turn their papers into the teacher with 100 differing answers. How many, at most, can be correct? 1.

I think it boils down to authority. Who has the authority, given by God, to correctly interpret Divine Revelation? God cannot fail. God created one Church, the Catholic Church. Protestantism didn't begin till the 16th century, and has continually splintered ever since into literally tens of thousands of different-believing denominations, all based on someone's personal interpretation of Scripture. Reading Scripture through their own light. Hence, a large minority of Christians is separated from Christ's Church and the fullness of truth He gave her. Sad.

I think it boils down to this... God created one Church and the Catholics took it over early and corrupted it so bad mostly because they had it all to themselves for 1,600 years that when the groups started splintering from it they could not find the truth since the Catholics had corrupted it so badly. So group after group for the last 400 years have tried to make some sense out of it and most cannot. Even I had to have many teachers before I could put it together. Guys like...

1.) John Sanders
2.) E.W. Bullinger
3.) Andrew Farley
4.) Gregory A. Boyd
5.) Andrew Wommack