According to the rule of Noun-Pronoun Gender Agreement, if the pronoun "them" is masculine and "winds" is sometimes masculine, but "horns" are never masculine, "them" cannot refer to the Seleucid "horn".
Moreover, the noun antecedent to "them" is "winds" - not "horns".
Sorry, I don't do the pharisaical, wisdom of men routine of hair splitting for details of grammar, when the verse is self explanatory in context:
KJV Dan. 8:9 ...and
for it [the first single "notable horn" that had died],
came up four notable ones [four horns]
toward the four winds of heaven [the four compass points].
[
9]
And out of one of them [one of the four horns, the
Seleucid empire]
came forth a little horn.
Evidently, your "historicist" view is already contrary to scripture and the historical account.
So then, let's list those four Generals of Alex the Great, that
divided up Greece
four ways:
1. Ptolemy
2. Cassander
3. Seleucus
4. Lysimachus
However, Rome arose in the West point of the compass and absolutely became "exceeding great", attacking laterally as "Pagan Rome" and then vertically toward heaven as "Papal Rome".
At the time of the Four Generals, that divided up Greece
four ways, the "fourth beast" of the "Roman" was only a republic, in its beginning stages of coming onto the world scene,
while the 3rd beast was in it's latter stage.
KJV Dan. 8
[
21] And the rough goat is the king[dom] of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is
the first king [Alex the Great].
[
22] Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it,
four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation [of Greece], but not in his [Alex's] power.
[
23]
And in the latter time of THEIR kingdom [being still Grecian, the 3rd beast], when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
[
24] And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty
and the holy people [OC. Israel]. [History- 1 Maccabees ch. 1-4].
[
25] And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
[
26] And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up
the vision;
for it shall be for many days. [
That prophecy of the "abomination that maketh desolate", was given to Daniel in 553 BC. and was fulfilled "many days later" in 145 BC. by Antiochus Epiphanes- 1 Maccabees 1:54].
According to KJV
Daniel 11:30, the following should sound familiar to you in
1 Maccabees 1:11
[
10] And there came out of them
a wicked root Antiochus surnamed Epiphanes, son of Antiochus the king,
who had been an hostage at Rome, and he reigned in the hundred and thirty and seventh (137th) year of the kingdom of the Greeks.
[
11] In
those days went there
out of Israel wicked men, who persuaded many, saying, Let us go and make a covenant with the heathen that are round about us: for since we departed from them we have had much sorrow. (
Yes indeed, even that of those "wicked men", has been fulfilled also).
Though that 4th beast is prophectically shown to have 10 horns, those horns are not manifested as to who they are, until Jesus is on the verge of being revealed from heaven in Rev. 17:12
The Prince of the host is the Prince of peace and His angelic host, to which the papacy magnified itself then and still does today.
You have not understood that
OC. Israel was in essence
the kingdom of Heaven on earth at that time.
During the 1290 days of 2300 day prophecy of KJV Daniel 12:11-12, Judas Maccabeus was indeed
the prince of the host (army) of Israel.
Your present "historicist" position is manipulated and faulty.
The papacy took the "daily" ("SACRIFICE" NOT IN ORIGINAL TEXT) away - "daily" referring to the entire sanctuary service of intercession, not just the animal sacrifice. They hijacked it from Jesus - just ask any catholic and they'll tell you who it is you need to go see to obtain "forgiveness" and "intercession".
The papacy??? You are running too far forward, skipping over the Greatest sacrifice of all, and FOR ALL.
The daily functions and animal sacrifices, at the temple of Jerusalem, were eclipsed, superceded and eliminated by the sacrifice of Christ Himself, "The Lamb
OF God".
The Little Horn can't be Antiochus or Judas M. - neither of them even began to approach the greatness of the "very great" he-goat.
However, the "exceeding great" Pagan Rome (Little Horn attacking laterally) and Papal Rome (Little Horn attacking vertically) absolutely fulfills the prophecy.
History prior to Jesus' first appearance proves otherwise.
Didn't Daniel say the Little Horn would still be running his mouth at the "time of the end" when "the judgment is set and the books were opened" and "the kingdom would be given to the saints" in Daniel 7?
Know this: there is no future "little horn" to come. All of that has been fulfilled.
If you are "
Born Again" by God's Holy Spirit, you have entered into the KoG, and the KoG has entered into you.
By His Spirit, all of such HAVE RECEIVED the KoG.
Therefore, KJV 1 John 5 :12-13 applies, as Jesus said:
KJV Luke 12
[
31] But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you.
[
32] Fear not, little flock;
for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.
KJV Luke 17
[
21] Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for,
behold,
the kingdom of God is within you.
Antiochus or Judas M. have long since become returned to the dust of the Earth, but the papacy is alive and well and infiltrating a Protestant church near you, friend.
Any Christian who wants to understand what Revelation is saying cannot unless he understands what the book of Daniel says, which is why Paul said the things written aforetime are written for our learning.
All you are doing is
pitting one
religion of
church-ianity
against the
religion of other forms of
church-ianity.
So then, now let's discuss
Christ-ianity.
Unfortunately, not many, being both Jews and Gentiles, can see the difference of anything about
what TEMPLE it actually is, that God seeks to dwell in. See Luke 17:21 and 2 Cor. 4:7.