No Condemnation For Those In Christ (Romans 8:1)

[MatthewG]

Okay, I will sir, or ma’am sorry for the hassle okay? Take care! And I sincerely mean that; sorry for just wanting to discuss, and talk with you and have disturbed you like I did. See you.

 

[Ritajanice]

It seems clear to me now that I have a new nature which is the spirit of God. And that I am not in a battle between two natures nor do I need to get God to teach my spirit to teach my flesh. This spirit is indeed a life form that is in all Christians even though most have no idea what it is or how it works. There are many Christians who have been able to tap into this spirit from time to time on all kinds of levels even if in most cases they had no idea what was happening or how it works. Most if not all of the problem is that this is a "lost art" because the Bible preachers teach their people to walk by the flesh.

Partakers of the Divine Nature
3His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through the knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence. 4Through these He has given us His precious and magnificentpromises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in theworld caused by evil desires. 5For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith virtue; and to virtue, knowledge;…

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Anyone who can read and comprehend basic facts will see your guile--and DO NOT pray to whatever you pray to, that makes you full of guile, for me.

 

[Peterlag]

Being in Christ, is about as gay as one can be.

“In Christ” is similar being in the “bowels of Christ” you being in Him, and him being in you.

Yes, that would be from the heart even in times of doubt even wavering.

And heirs too.

No comment.

That is a great thing to do, I’m only reminded of James and his letter concerning our relationship between the world and the heavenly; in writing to his audience. One thing he writes there is concerning our awareness of our own self by looking in the mirror; realizing the horrible things we said, thought, and did to others. How we are not to forget ; but we also aren’t suppose to forget about the death, and burial and resurrection, which sets us free of that burden in the mirror and made new spiritually in Christ being able to understand it is “Christ in you,” “God lives in you his his Holy Spirit”, “You can ask for help from the Father in abiding in the Spirit”; seeking to patience in times of difficulty… etc…

Thank you!

You understand "Christ in you" but have no clue what "in Christ" means.

 

[MatthewG]

You understand "Christ in you" but have no clue what "in Christ" means.

Peterlag, to be in Christ is to choose to Gods will despite your own in your experience of life, though still living your own life in Gods grace.


“Dear brothers and sisters, honor those who are your leaders in the Lord’s work. They work hard among you and give you spiritual guidance. Show them great respect and wholehearted love because of their work. And live peacefully with each other. Brothers and sisters, we urge you to warn those who are lazy. Encourage those who are timid. Take tender care of those who are weak. Be patient with everyone. See that no one pays back evil for evil, but always try to do good to each other and to all people. Always be joyful. Never stop praying. Be thankful in all circumstances, for this is God’s will for you who belong to Christ Jesus. Do not stifle the Holy Spirit. Do not scoff at prophecies, but test everything that is said. Hold on to what is good. Stay away from every kind of evil.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭5‬:‭12‬-‭22‬ ‭NLT‬‬

I believe your wrong in your assumption.

“And we ask you, brethren, to know those labouring among you, and leading you in the Lord, and admonishing you, and to esteem them very abundantly in love, because of their work; be at peace among yourselves; and we exhort you, brethren, admonish the disorderly, comfort the feebleminded, support the infirm, be patient unto all; see no one evil for evil may render to any one, but always that which is good pursue ye, both to one another and to all; always rejoice ye; continually pray ye; in every thing give thanks, for this [is] the will of God in Christ Jesus in regard to you. The Spirit quench not; prophesyings despise not; all things prove; that which is good hold fast; from all appearance of evil abstain ye; and the God of the peace Himself sanctify you wholly, and may your whole spirit, and soul, and body, be preserved unblameably in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ; stedfast is He who is calling you, who also will do [it].”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭5‬:‭12‬-‭24‬ ‭YLT98‬‬

Thank you for allowing me to show forth what it does mean to be “in Christ.” Unless this is wrong, you may show me alternatively what you see is wrong if you would like to, :).

 

[Peterlag]

Peterlag, to be in Christ is to choose to Gods will despite your own in your experience of life, though still living your own life in Gods grace.


“Dear brothers and sisters, honor those who are your leaders in the Lord’s work. They work hard among you and give you spiritual guidance. Show them great respect and wholehearted love because of their work. And live peacefully with each other. Brothers and sisters, we urge you to warn those who are lazy. Encourage those who are timid. Take tender care of those who are weak. Be patient with everyone. See that no one pays back evil for evil, but always try to do good to each other and to all people. Always be joyful. Never stop praying. Be thankful in all circumstances, for this is God’s will for you who belong to Christ Jesus. Do not stifle the Holy Spirit. Do not scoff at prophecies, but test everything that is said. Hold on to what is good. Stay away from every kind of evil.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭5‬:‭12‬-‭22‬ ‭NLT‬‬

I believe your wrong in your assumption.

“And we ask you, brethren, to know those labouring among you, and leading you in the Lord, and admonishing you, and to esteem them very abundantly in love, because of their work; be at peace among yourselves; and we exhort you, brethren, admonish the disorderly, comfort the feebleminded, support the infirm, be patient unto all; see no one evil for evil may render to any one, but always that which is good pursue ye, both to one another and to all; always rejoice ye; continually pray ye; in every thing give thanks, for this [is] the will of God in Christ Jesus in regard to you. The Spirit quench not; prophesyings despise not; all things prove; that which is good hold fast; from all appearance of evil abstain ye; and the God of the peace Himself sanctify you wholly, and may your whole spirit, and soul, and body, be preserved unblameably in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ; stedfast is He who is calling you, who also will do [it].”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭5‬:‭12‬-‭24‬ ‭YLT98‬‬

Thank you for allowing me to show forth what it does mean to be “in Christ.”

I do not believe to be "in Christ" means to choose to Gods will. I am now walking in or after it. The reason I cannot lust in the flesh when following after the spirit is because it's impossible to do so since the spirit of Christ does not lust after the flesh. Religious people don't follow after the spirit, but rather they follow after their flesh and call it spiritual. The religious folks lead with their flesh and call it Christian. The church folks clean up their flesh by making themselves nice. Then they say this is Christian because we are being nice like the way Jesus was. In contrast to that, I believe we should walk after the spirit of Christ.

I was taught being in Christ meant I was in fellowship with God because I was walking upright in my flesh. I now understand being in Christ is being in the spirit and neither of them (in Christ or in the spirit) has anything to do with the darn flesh. It now seems perfectly clear to walk in or by the spirit is the same as putting on the Lord Jesus Christ. It's the same as having fellowship with Jesus Christ, which is also part of having the mind of Christ. Living in Christ is the same as being strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. There's a verse where Jesus says without me you can do nothing. Well, I'm never without him.

 

[MatthewG]

Normally when we are in our flesh we are naturally selfish. But abiding in Christ, and choosing to perform the will of God, loving Yahweh first and loving others are yourself, is where the flesh and its ways are bound back from doing the things it desires which are always alternative to the spirit. How many people realize the Holy Spirit of Yahweh and the spirit of Christ live within them, is unknown but once it is known is becomes more apparent for our need to continue going towards the throne of grace and asking Yahweh to help us by the spirit as one traverses the earth.


Some people can truly fake humility, and even believers in Yeshua can become prideful and look down on others, and these things just simply exist which tends to destroy people being able to trust them especially if they did something wrong to you.

Yeshuans are to love their neighbor, even after sharing truth with them.

 

[MatthewG]

I do not believe to be "in Christ" means to choose to Gods will. I am now walking in or after it.

Okay.

The reason I cannot lust in the flesh when following after the spirit is because it's impossible to do so since the spirit of Christ does not lust after the flesh.

Yep.

Religious people don't follow after the spirit, but rather they follow after their flesh and call it spiritual.

Ah, I can’t say that for 100% for sure, even Paul became as one under law, for those under law. Sometimes yes, it’s the flesh that is being puffed up rather than died too.

The religious folks lead with their flesh and call it Christian.

Oh look I love you, here is some food, blah blah blah. “I work and take care of clients every day even overtime hours, I do really good!” Wrong! That doesn’t mean anything to me how many hours your with people, and whether or not you take care of them not not. I don’t care because the fleshly pride of that side of life doesn’t mean anything…

Compared to a person by the spirit who is able to selflessly love and not try to puff themselves up in the flesh.

The church folks clean up their flesh by making themselves nice.

Sometimes.

Then they say this is Christian because we are being nice like the way Jesus was.

I hear you.

In contrast to that, I believe we should walk after the spirit of Christ.

That would be to do the will of God.

I was taught being in Christ meant I was in fellowship with God because I was walking upright in my flesh.

What a person taught don’t mean it is true.

I now understand being in Christ is being in the spirit and neither of them (in Christ or in the spirit) has anything to do with the darn flesh.

Nope, no amount of giving or doing can get you into heaven. No flesh will glory.

It now seems perfectly clear to walk in or by the spirit is the same as putting on the Lord Jesus Christ.

So doing Gods will by virtue of Christ in you.

It's the same as having fellowship with Jesus Christ, which is also part of having the mind of Christ. Living in Christ is the same as being strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. There's a verse where Jesus says without me you can do nothing.

No good is produced by the flesh. Only good comes from Yahweh, through his Spirit which is the Holy Spirit of Yahweh lives in the hearts of followers of Jesus. They choose to do Gods will… if you don’t understand that yet I hope you will one day.

Well, I'm never without him.

I don’t doubt or judge anyone and their relationship or their limited understanding on things.

 

[Behold]

God doesn’t see the sin. He sees the faith.

He does see our Faith.

God is "eyes wide open" everytime a sinner goes to the Cross of Christ and BELIEVES in Jesus.... as that is The Sinner's = "Faith is Counted by God, as (Christ's)Righteousness".

God then Takes the Blood and Death that is the Sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross, and applies it to the BELIEVER, and they are "forgiven their sin".

This is the BLOOD ATONEMENT.

And that is always the same.......So, Today, and 45 yrs from Now if the Believer, is alive, then God is still SEEING The Sacrifice of Jesus, applied to the BELIEVER... They are still washed in the Blood Atonement.. "Washed in the Blood of Jesus". "Blood Bought". "redeemed by the BLOOD of the Lamb".

This is "Salvation 101".. its the very first understanding that a Believer, born again, has to SEE, has to GRASP< regarding "The Gift of Salvation", and its that God never again sees your sin, as He only SEES the Sacrifice for it, who is our Living Savior, Jesus THE Lord.

Christ did 2 things... so that SIN is GONE...

1.) "Jesus is the ONE TIME ETERNAL Sacrifice for sin"

2.) "Christ is the END OF THE LAW for Righteousness, to everyone who BELIEVES" = The Born again".

See those 2 ?

One of those removes all your sin, and the other keeps the Law from being able to define you as a sinner, ever again.

 

[Behold]

I now spend much of my time right inside the spirit as close as I can

The best way to do that is study Paul's Epistles, along with Praising God, Thanking God... always keeping a Thankful heart.

In the last few days, im reading "The Song of Bernadette"... I decided to do a bit of study on this "Visionary", as i often find that studying their spirituality exactly relates to how i relate to God.
I love the Movie, so i decided to do some study...

2 different Books....>One is that book" and one is a "deep research" type of Bio-Historical.

What a Girl.
Catholic, because that is all there was for these poor French, in Lourdes, as its a place that is "Mary owned and operated"..

However, like all who are recorded to have had heavenly encounters, Her's is spectacular .

Later the "cult of the Virgin", manipulated her so that the entire situation became nothing but a way for this "church"... to make money..

But Her visitation(s), were very precious., as was she.

it's the Catholics that teach we are sinners.

To teach that a Born again Saint, who is literally "one with God"............to teach they are SINNERS< is teaching that God and Christ are joined to Sin., and that Heaven allows sin there.

See, the born again is "IN Christ"......... "One with God".... and "Seated in Heavenly Places"..

There is no sin found there.

Catholicism, is just one more "doctrine of Devils".... perhaps the most popular, next to Calvinism, and Islam.

 

[Peterlag]

Okay.

Yep.

Ah, I can’t say that for 100% for sure, even Paul became as one under law, for those under law. Sometimes yes, it’s the flesh that is being puffed up rather than died too.

Oh look I love you, here is some food, blah blah blah. “I work and take care of clients every day even overtime hours, I do really good!” Wrong! That doesn’t mean anything to me how many hours your with people, and whether or not you take care of them not not. I don’t care because the fleshly pride of that side of life doesn’t mean anything…

Compared to a person by the spirit who is able to selflessly love and not try to puff themselves up in the flesh.

Sometimes.

I hear you.


That would be to do the will of God.

What a person taught don’t mean it is true.

Nope, no amount of giving or doing can get you into heaven. No flesh will glory.

So doing Gods will by virtue of Christ in you.

No good is produced by the flesh. Only good comes from Yahweh, through his Spirit which is the Holy Spirit of Yahweh lives in the hearts of followers of Jesus. They choose to do Gods will… if you don’t understand that yet I hope you will one day.

I don’t doubt or judge anyone and their relationship or their limited understanding on things.

I am not "in Christ" because I'm doing the will of God. I'm in Christ because I'm that close to him.

 

[MatthewG]

I am not "in Christ" because I'm doing the will of God. I'm in Christ because I'm that close to him.

But you are if you don’t understand that, I hope one day you will. But heck if your not then your not doing the will of God your doing something else I suppose, but if you’re gonna be non-chalant about it: that’s fine. Not everything is seen as important to do…

So if your not gonna change your mind on that: I guess we are done having our conversation and that’s fine with me too.

All followers of Yeshua, have at least the desire to do what is right by Gods will… and not their own… “This is the will of God” is a phrase that appears in the Bible in 1 Thessalonians 4:3 and 1 Thessalonians 5:18:

 

[Peterlag]

The best way to do that is study Paul's Epistles, along with Praising God, Thanking God... always keeping a Thankful heart.

In the last few days, im reading "The Song of Bernadette"... I decided to do a bit of study on this "Visionary", as i often find that studying their spirituality exactly relates to how i relate to God.
I love the Movie, so i decided to do some study...

2 different Books....>One is that book" and one is a "deep research" type of Bio-Historical.

What a Girl.
Catholic, because that is all there was for these poor French, in Lourdes, as its a place that is "Mary owned and operated"..

However, like all who are recorded to have had heavenly encounters, Her's is spectacular .

Later the "cult of the Virgin", manipulated her so that the entire situation became nothing but a way for this "church"... to make money..

But Her visitation(s), were very precious., as was she.





To teach that a Born again Saint, who is literally "one with God"............to teach they are SINNERS< is teaching that God and Christ are joined to Sin., and that Heaven allows sin there.

See, the born again is "IN Christ"......... "One with God".... and "Seated in Heavenly Places"..

There is no sin found there.

Catholicism, is just one more "doctrine of Devils".... perhaps the most popular, next to Calvinism, and Islam.

I'm walking in the spirit most if not all of my waking hours and doing so has nothing to do with studying the Epistles or Praising God and being thankful. I'm there because I'm that in tune with my spirit and very close to it.

 

[Peterlag]

But you are if you don’t understand that, I hope one day you will. But heck if your not then your not doing the will of God your doing something else I suppose, but if you’re gonna be non-chalant about it: that’s fine. Not everything is seen as important to do…

So if your not gonna change your mind on that: I guess we are done having our conversation and that’s fine with me too.

All followers of Yeshua, have at least the desire to do what is right by Gods will… and not their own… “This is the will of God” is a phrase that appears in the Bible in 1 Thessalonians 4:3 and 1 Thessalonians 5:18:

The reason you cannot understand me is because the churches teach to be "in Christ" which is "walking by the spirit" means walking in your flesh as you do the Word of God.

 

[MatthewG]

The reason you cannot understand me is because the churches teach to be "in Christ" which is "walking by the spirit" means walking in your flesh as you do the Word of God.

Ah to sit here and keep going back and forth is fruitless too. I’ll see ya on some other time!

We are on the same page you’re just deciding to go a route that you could just be like “hey man some good points,” I respect ya and good luck; by the spirit…

It’s all “me, my understanding” compared to “you understanding” and really they are the same regardless of your deflection in your speaking.

See ya dude idk why people online have to just be rude, so self assured, and downplay other people as though they are stupid, or even not a Christian just cause of the things they may say or do…

 

[Peterlag]

Ah to sit here and keep going back and forth is fruitless too. I’ll see ya on some other time!

We are on the same page you’re just deciding to go a route that you could just be like “hey man some good points,” I respect ya and good luck; by the spirit…

It’s all “me, my understanding” compared to “you understanding” and really they are the same regardless of your deflection in your speaking.

See ya dude idk why people online have to just be rude, so self assured, and downplay other people as though they are stupid, or even not a Christian just cause of the things they may say or do…

Very important subject for me. Extremely important because I'm searching a better way to teach how to walk by the spirit. So I'm trying to get out of you all that you have. Right now I put up a website on the subject that cost thousands and am spending thousands to run it.

 

[Peterlag]

The best way to do that is study Paul's Epistles, along with Praising God, Thanking God... always keeping a Thankful heart.

In the last few days, im reading "The Song of Bernadette"... I decided to do a bit of study on this "Visionary", as i often find that studying their spirituality exactly relates to how i relate to God.
I love the Movie, so i decided to do some study...

2 different Books....>One is that book" and one is a "deep research" type of Bio-Historical.

What a Girl.
Catholic, because that is all there was for these poor French, in Lourdes, as its a place that is "Mary owned and operated"..

However, like all who are recorded to have had heavenly encounters, Her's is spectacular .

Later the "cult of the Virgin", manipulated her so that the entire situation became nothing but a way for this "church"... to make money..

But Her visitation(s), were very precious., as was she.





To teach that a Born again Saint, who is literally "one with God"............to teach they are SINNERS< is teaching that God and Christ are joined to Sin., and that Heaven allows sin there.

See, the born again is "IN Christ"......... "One with God".... and "Seated in Heavenly Places"..

There is no sin found there.

Catholicism, is just one more "doctrine of Devils".... perhaps the most popular, next to Calvinism, and Islam.

Catholics I know. Islam I know. What does Calvinism teach?

 

[Behold]

I'm walking in the spirit most if not all of my waking hours and doing so has nothing to do with studying the Epistles or Praising God and being thankful. I'm there because I'm that in tune with my spirit and very close to it.

The bible is spiritual Light.
The bible is revelation knowledge.
We are to "study (the word) to show ourselves approved unto God, a workman (diligent student) ......."

Every Great "man or woman" of God, was a devout student of the Bible.
They LOVED the word of God.
But there is a : Caveat.....

Paul teaches that we are to study, so the the Spirit of God shows us how to "Rightly Divide".. the Word.

So, wrong study, leads to "wrongly dividing" and that produced "Calvinism" "Mormonism" "JW"... "Cult of the Virgin"... and many more.

See, there is "One Lord, One Faith, and One Baptism", yet, even on this forum, there are many faiths, in many different things, that all claim to be TRUE.
And many are not.. and that is a result.... not of bible study, but it happens because false teaching became someone's truth.

Here is how to avoid that.

= We have to be BORN AGAIN, and not just water baptized and Religious.
= We have to do what Hebrews 13:9 says to do with our HEART, (KJV)...or a "doctrine of devils' is going to get you as this verse teaches.
= WE have to devote most of our bible Study to Paul's Epistles.

Romans 3:21-28 has to be understood, like "breathing".

2 Corinthians 5:19... and John 3:17.... and 1 John 3:9.... the same.

And Romans 4:8...

And many more but those can help get a person back on Track, who is trying to "stay saved" vs "Trusting ONLY in Christ to keep them saved".. ....for example.

 

[MatthewG]

Very important subject for me. Extremely important because I'm searching a better way to teach how to walk by the spirit. So I'm trying to get out of you all that you have. Right now I put up a website on the subject that cost thousands and am spending thousands to run it.

It’s much bigger than a book or a website but alas all the best to you! Ahoy! You haven’t got anything from me that the LORD hasn’t already given you. That spirit to live by, see ya Peter.

 

[Wynona]

I hoped to interact with dissenters, but is there anyone who agrees?

Late to the party, but glad I'm here!