God bless his heart. And amen to that song....the olive press of this life.....I'm sure many here can relate. The fellowship of His sufferings...that we may partake of His holiness.
‘I SAID, YOU ARE GODS’?
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The conclusion that different gifts means that some Christians hear His voice and other do not is simply wrong and opposite of what is written in the Bible, and what He says, if you listen to Him!
Jn 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Note that is does not read that His sheep might hear HIs voice, or His sheep hear His voice if they are gifted to do so - but rather it reads "My sheep hear my voice"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And there is some other (many other) scriptures that talk about those not hearing His voice!! Indeed it should be obvious to anyone who has ever read their Bible that this not hearing Him is a huge problem!!!
Jn 8:47 “He who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God.”
So for us Christians (His sheep who do hear His voice) to tell people that hearing His voice is a gift and perhaps not all Christians have that gift, is just misleading them - which as can been seen above is not what Jesus was boldly telling them!!!
Now He does give us different gifts and He does use us in different ways. And lets take a quick look at some of the gifts of the Spirit and consider:
1 Cor 12:7,8 But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good.
For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit;
In the above two verses we see that indeed we are all given different manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. So one person may get a word of wisdom, but that means they hear His voice and get some little bit of wisdom from Him, right?
He gives me little says, many of which I took the time to write down - hear are a couple of them:
YOU DIDN’T MAKE ME AN AWESOME GOD, BUT YOU CAN MAKE ME AN AWESOME GOD.
THE BEST LISTENERS MAKE THE BEST TEACHERS.
MY PEOPLE WORKING TOGETHER IS LIKE PUTTING MAKE UP ON THE BRIDE.
I heard those little sayings from Him, and so He gifted them to me to share with the church.
Yet He might and has given me words of knowledge at times. He had me working in a Christian healing ministry for 5 years and while there He would tell me about issues that people had that needed prayer. It is amazing how Christians would come to a Christian healing ministry and not think to tell us about a physical issue they had so we might pray over it. So they would come in and tell us that they wanted prayer for a friend of theirs who had an issue, and then I would hear the Lord tell me something like, 'Karl, that person has a problem with their stomach (or something like that)', and so I would ask them if perhaps they were having a problem with their stomach. And they would come back and tell me they did. So I would ask them if they were having pain, and if so on a scale of 1 -10 with 10 being the most pain, how would they rate the pain. And they would tell me something amazing, like they were experiencing a level 8 or 9. So we would pray and we would see God do healing in their lives.
Indeed, it happened so often in that ministry that towards the end the group I lead was seeing more healings from words of knowledge than we did from people coming in and asking for a certain issue. So we need to harken to His voice, right?
Ex 15:16 and said, “If you diligently heed the voice of the LORD your God and do what is right in His sight, give ear to His commandments and keep all His statutes, I will put none of the diseases on you which I have brought on the Egyptians. For I am the LORD who heals you.”
1 Cor 12:9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit,
So the gifts of the Spirit ALL depend on us His sheep hearing what He has to say to us personally!!!!!
So indeed, "preaching of the gospel" is proclaiming that Jesus Christ is there wanting to talk to us, so we need to open up to Him and listen!!
Below is the gospel (Good News)
Rev 3:20 ‘Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.
People - the GOOD NEWS is that ANYONE can simple open up to Jesus Christ and hear His voice!! That is to say that ANYONE can come to have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ!!!!!!!!!!!!
Of course if the don't believe in Him, that He is always there knocking with His voice and hoping to talk back and forth with us, then what hope is there for them??? Did He not say that many would tell Him how they did things in His name, only to be told by Him that He never knew them??? He is not a liar. If you have been dining with him and Him with you, then He knows you and He will not tell you that. But if you are just pretending to know Him, but are in fact making excuses for not listening to Him - excuses like hearing His voice is a gift and so is not you just rejecting Him in your life - then the future looks poor for you indeed!!
Mat 7:22-24 “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’
“And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’
“Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock.
So there indeed are MANY, who are going around who prophesy in His name, cast our demons in His name, and even perform many miracles in His name - but they don't actually hear Him and know Him!! Therefore we, His sheep hear His voice and act on them, not on our own understanding, but on what He tells us. We His sheep do hear His voice, but ANYONE can hear His voice and get to know Him, which is the Good News!!
So how writes: "Some He may lead through hearing His voice in their spirit, others may be led by an unction/impulse,"
Is that the "Word of God" we are preaching???
Rom 10:8 But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,
It does not say "an unction/impulse" - does it???
So we are not preaching ""an unction/impulse", are we?? But we are preaching "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU".
Ok - there are some new Christians who are not yet very good at picking up His voice, but even with them we are encouraging them to hear "THE WORD", are we not?
And yes sometimes, even many times a day, I get busy and pick up Him speaking to me more like "an unction/impulse", but when I realize that I go back and ask, "Lord, did you say ....?" and I listen!!
This making an excuse for us not taking the time to intently listen to the words He has to tell us needs to change, doesn't it?
We are not told to preach "unction/impulse", are we??
Why will there be many on that day hear Him tell them that He never knew them? It is not our fault, because we didn't actually preach the Word of God like He told us, is it?
His church, we His sheep who hear His voice have a responsibility, even a task to perform, and it is preaching The Word of God, meaning proclaiming that He is there to speak to us the words of God via His Holy Spirit!!!
Are we how do know Him doing that, or are we making excuses for others, and even ourselves, for not listening to Him??
Lizbeth - I can see that you know Him. I have read where you have brought up that His sheep hear His voice. And don't get me wrong - I appreciate that you intend to help others get to know Him, yet I have also seem this 'unction/impulse' preach around the church that I go to so much that it has made that whole church be fill with people who are just dull of hearing. The miracles and healing happen the back rooms, where a few people that do understand about really hearing His voice, tend to hang out in ministries like the healing ministry I was in, or the prophetic ministry that others were in. And that was not good, it was bad!! The church is supposed to edify (teach in religious matters) and that means we need to encourage His people to listen to Him Today - all of them!!
Encouragement does always mean saying, 'oh that is ok and good enough', is it? What will you think if you get to heaven and then look down and see that someone you knew never actually got to know the Lord so hear "I never knew you" from the Lord on that day?
The Lord one told me a story about a priest of long ago, even at the time of the Christian Crusades, which He said was a true story. The priest had come to know Him, but was a bit embarrass about actually hearing the Lord. So he did His priestly duties as per tradition. And the priest wound up being good friends with a knight who wound up getting killed in the Crusades. When the priest, got to heaven he looked around and saw his friend was not there. He had never come to know the Lord, though his friend killed in the Lord's name. Indeed, all those knights had killed in the Lord's name and not come to know Him, and it had been the priest responsibility to help them get to know the Lord. It was a sad story, but I was told a true story.
We are like a nation of priests, and supposed to be helping the Lord with His work. The work of God is that all should come to know the Son, is it not?? So how are we doing with that work?
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How to hear God's voice today, John MacArthur, Justin Peters, and Phil Johnson clarify.
I was shocked to see televangelists are teaching people how to hear God's voice and claiming to hear the voice of God themselves.
With Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyer, Priscilla Shirer, Steven Furtick, Bill Johnson, Rick Warren, Charles Stanley, Kris Valotton and Trusted teachers: John MacArthur, Justin Peters, Phill Johnson, and John Henry who provide biblical clarity to the notion of hearing the voice of God.
They hear the voice of God then this happens.
God told me.
They hear the voice of "GOD" then this happens, John MacArthur.
John 10:27 (KJV)
"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me."
Morphological Analysis
"My sheep": The possessive pronoun "my" emphasizes ownership and care that Jesus, the Good Shepherd, has over his followers.
"Hear" (ἀκούουσιν, akouousin in Greek, present tense): This verb signifies ongoing action, indicating that Jesus' sheep continually hear and listen to his voice. It implies a habitual practice of listening and responding.
"My voice": Jesus' voice represents his teachings, commands, and guidance. It conveys authority and intimacy, as sheep are familiar with their shepherd's voice.
"And I know them": The verb "know" (γινώσκω, ginōskō in Greek, present tense) denotes intimate knowledge and relationship. Jesus intimately knows his sheep, recognizing them individually.
"And they follow me": The verb "follow" (ἀκολουθοῦσίν, akolouthousin in Greek, present tense) indicates active obedience and discipleship. Believers respond to Jesus' voice by following him, walking in his ways.
Syntactic Analysis
Subject-Verb Agreement: The verbs "hear," "know," and "follow" are all in the present tense, emphasizing ongoing actions. This highlights the continuous nature of the relationship between Jesus and his followers.
Parallelism: The structure "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me" forms a parallelism, reinforcing the interconnectedness of hearing, knowing, and following. This structure emphasizes the holistic nature of discipleship and intimacy with Jesus.
Contextual Insights
1st Century Context
In 1st-century Judea, shepherding was a common occupation, and people were familiar with the dynamics of sheep and shepherd relationships. Here are some cultural insights:
Sheep Recognizing Their Shepherd's Voice: Sheep in ancient Judea were known to recognize their shepherd's voice due to the personal and constant care given by the shepherd. This relationship of trust and familiarity parallels Jesus' relationship with his followers.
Personalized Care: Shepherds knew each of their sheep individually, calling them by name and leading them to green pastures and still waters. Jesus portrays himself as the Good Shepherd who cares for his sheep in a similar manner (Psalm 23; John 10:3-4).
Spiritual Allegory: Jesus uses the analogy of shepherd and sheep to illustrate spiritual truths. Believers, like sheep, hear and respond to Jesus' teachings (his voice), recognizing him as their leader and guide.
1st Century Example
Cultural Understanding: Jesus' audience would have understood the cultural context of shepherding, making his analogy relatable and impactful. They would recognize the significance of sheep hearing and following their shepherd's voice as an act of trust and obedience.
Personal Connection: Just as a shepherd knows his sheep intimately, Jesus emphasizes his personal knowledge of each believer. This relational aspect highlights the depth of Jesus' care and the intimacy of the believer's relationship with him.
Spiritual and Metaphorical Understanding
1. Spiritual Perception:
Internal Spiritual Discernment: Hearing the voice of Jesus pertains to spiritual perception and understanding rather than physical hearing. It involves grasping and discerning the truths, teachings, and guidance that Jesus imparts through Scripture, prayer, and the prompting of the Holy Spirit.
John 10:27 Context: Jesus uses the shepherd-sheep analogy to illustrate how believers recognize and respond to his teachings and leadership. Just as sheep know and trust their shepherd's voice due to intimate familiarity, believers spiritually discern and respond to Jesus' authority and guidance.
2. Biblical Examples and Application:
Scriptural Guidance: Believers hear Jesus' voice primarily through the Bible, where his teachings and commands are recorded. Scripture serves as the authoritative and inspired Word of God, conveying Jesus' voice to believers across time and cultures.
Prayer and Spiritual Guidance: Through prayer and communion with God, believers seek and receive spiritual guidance and direction. The Holy Spirit, indwelling within believers, illuminates Scripture and prompts them in discerning God's will and voice in their lives.
Practical Application
1. Listening to Jesus' Voice:
Scripture Study: Regular study and meditation on Scripture deepen believers' understanding of Jesus' teachings and character, enabling them to recognize his voice more clearly.
Prayerful Discernment: Engaging in prayerful discernment helps believers to align their hearts and minds with God's will, facilitating a deeper sensitivity to Jesus' voice through the Holy Spirit.
Recipients of Jesus' Teachings
Pharisees and Jewish Leaders:
The Pharisees were religious leaders and scholars of Jewish law who held significant influence among the Jewish population.
Throughout John 10, Jesus engages in a dialogue with the Pharisees, challenging their understanding of leadership, authority, and spiritual blindness.
Jesus uses the metaphor of the shepherd and the sheep to critique the Pharisees' failure as spiritual leaders who do not care for the spiritual well-being of the people (John 10:7-18).
Jewish Crowds:
Alongside the Pharisees, there were Jewish crowds who were present and listening to Jesus' teachings.
These crowds included people who followed Jesus out of curiosity, those who witnessed his miracles, and those who sought spiritual insight and guidance from his teachings.
Shalom
J.
Not saying you are necessarily, but I don't believe we should try to force anything on anyone either. We sometimes tend to bang people over the head with God's word without ministering to the person what they may need in order to be able to receive it. I know because I've sometimes been on the receiving end of that.
I agree with this, Christians would rather talk at a person rather than with the person.
In a teaching session we were asked to consider the parable of the Sower and how that would apply to evangelism.
I suggested that we need to consider which example in the parable was applicable to the situation we were considering evangelising in. I suggested that the third example of the seed falling among weeds and thistles, which represent the care of this world, was applicable to this present time. The so-called evangelist in our group of three started to bang on about the need for us to prepare the soil to receive the seed because of his experience in his younger days of being a farmers' son. I quickly realised that he was only interested in gaining big results by focusing on preparing the soil. The soil needed no preparation because it was producing lots of weeds and thistles and that the actions that would be initially needed would be in ministering to the people in the areas of their fears and concerns with respect to the cares of the world. The need would be to remove the weeds and the thistles from their lives before the seed was spread over the soil where they were.
We are able to remove the weeds and the thistles from the lives of the people if we talk with the people and share our experience of what the Lord has done for us by his removing of our cares of the world from us.
The evangelist in our small group was being gun hoe in his desire to win souls and as such he was acting God like and not as a disciple who had learned to listen to the prompting of the spirit as to how he should go about winning new souls for the Lord. His approach was to use a 3 x 2 to get his message across and that usually turns people off and sadly that turning off of people can be permanent.
Shalom
It's good to keep in mind that we're lowly servants, washing the feet of anyone we may be sent to.
Your post reminded me of Jesus talking about reaping what others have worked hard for, reaping is being considered the easier job....that the ploughman and the reaper may rejoice together. God sometimes uses some to go on ahead of the sowers and the reapers to prepare the way. (I wonder if we could consider that John the Baptist was a ploughman.) Hard work chopping down trees and removing stumps and boulders to get a field ready for planting.....coming up against principalities that put up a strong resistance against the Lord who is seeking to conquer and take back their territory. I think in earthly warfare it's called softening the target if memory serves.....the bombers go in ahead of the army to take out key assets and infrastructure of the enemy before the army moves in to finish the job of conquering.
This is very true, we are lowly servants of the Lord, and we should be attentive to what the Lord would have us do in the circumstances that we find ourselves in.
At the present time the soil is quite fertile. What needs to be done is for the weeds and thistles to be removed from the field so that the harvest of the scattered seed will be increased such that the cares of the world do not dominate the sprouting wheat from the wheat seeds that have been scattered over the ground.
We are not fighting a war, so to speak, with Satan, that is God's war to fight and win.
Christian disciples are not to wear hobnail boots that trample the people that we should be nurturing with the Love of the Lord. We, as Christians, should be taking up our cross of the salvation message to win over the people for Christ. The picture that best describes what the evangelist was trying to do was to bulldoze the ground and the people into what he believed was the right circumstances for him to be wining souls for Christ.
In around 20 years' time, the field in which the seeds will be scattered in, God will have well prepared for us to minister in. However, we should be mindful that at present Satan is empowering His good and faithful servants with loads of cash to hinder the establishment of God's Everlasting Kingdom from becoming a reality wile Satan is away for a time.
Satan and his co-workers will be judged shortly and for 1,000 years will be imprisoned in the Bottomless Pit such that they cannot influence the people during this 1,000-year time period. however, for a little while period they will be released and will once more be able to exercise their influence over the sea of the people and many will, sadly, fall away before Satan, the beast and the False Prophet are captured and dispatched into the Lake of Fire.
What we, as Christians, are required to do is to demonstrate the hope that we have in Christ by how we live our live in communion with Christ, drawing our nourishment from His fertile field, until He comes to judge the peoples of the earth and we stand before Him in the Judgement room.
The time will soon come, after the judged righteous people are judged, that we will assemble to become the Living Temple of the worshippers of God, around three days of the Lord, i.e., just over 3,000 years, after Jesus cleansed the temple and drove out the merchants and robbers from the temple, just before he was taken and crucified as a worthy sacrifice to redeem us forever in the Everlasting Kingdom of God.
Then we will see God's Glory as His sons and daughters.
Shalom
amigo de christo
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To the trenches johann . this gringo been released . It be time to praise and to thank the glorious Lord .
Welcome back dear friend and brother. You have been missed.
amigo de christo
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so were you my friend .
I got good news though . in my absence
the zeal i had for preaching the dire necessity to believe on JESUS the CHRIST
and all things he and later the apostels did teach
HAS GROWN MASSIVE . TIME to remind all that has breath
cause i was on another site while i was gone .
and i am warning us all another gospel is taking over places . ITSGetting worse amadeus .
Its getting the point now
that to even tell a muslim , a buddist , an athiest
they must repent to beleive on JESUS the CHRIST , IS SEEN as evil and hateful .
PEOPLE are beliving all religoins serve the same GOD we do amadues .
BUT remember this
IF any cometh and preaches ANY OTHER GOSPEL , take note paul didnt say ENTERTAIN IT
he said let them be accursed , seperated out . I am going out
as by grace i came in , POINTING ONLY TO JESUS THE CHRIST .
Carry on as God leads you.
amigo de christo
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amigo de christo
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Every day is but a day closer to forever being HOME with the glorious KING .
these days are whizzing by my friend . it seems like just yesterday we were in dec and my friend
was having another birthday . Now its but five months left till another december rolls on ,
IF so be we even have that time left . TO the trenches amadues . WE GOING OUT for THE LORD having all
HOPE in HE ALONE . time flies , but eternity is FOREVER and far better than here too .
amigo de christo
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The saints of the LORD have a far better place awaiting us at the end of our days on this earth .
Far better . cant even imagine the fullness of how great that will be when once we are all there
praising and a thanking JESUS THE CHRIST for having saved us . Now hands up
cause i do beleive , IT BE LORD praising and thanking time again .
Far better . cant even imagine the fullness of how great that will be when once we are all there
praising and a thanking JESUS THE CHRIST for having saved us . Now hands up
cause i do beleive , IT BE LORD praising and thanking time again .
amigo de christo
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To the trenches sister . This man been freed from his sentence . AND IT BE HIGH TIME to point to the glorious LORD
and all sound doctrine HE did teach and inspire .
Bless you brother.....good to see you back!
amigo de christo
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hands to the plow sister . the evil take no time off promoting falsehoods we take no time off pointing to the LORD
and all sound doctrine HE did inspire . this is a war sister , its an all out war too .
I never seen , nor years ago did i ever expect to see what the heck i am seeing today .
THEY have remolded a god to their own image to gather everyone under its influence .
AND by golly if you do not worship this image of their god , this god of so called love and diversity and inclusivity
They come with teeth .
SOON enough any and all who did not conform to this image of god
that the united religoins of the world created in order to merge all religoins and tribes to be as one ,
I am telling us you will not be able to buy or sell in its digital system . I SEE exactly where its all headed .
THIS is wrote down in revelation too .
no buy no sell
HE who did not worship the image of the beast .
Now notice it says WHOSE DEADLY WOUND was healed .
THIS SAME religoin of diverse and strange love
introduced something huge to us about ten or eleven years ago .
THEY Did so and they called it , HEALING THE WOUND . now aint that something
THEY BEING LED by something RIGHT TO SOMETHING . i aint never seen anything like it .
THEY even cried , FIRE FROM HEAVEN , miracles etc .
AND NOTICE it has power to do miracles in the sight of the beast , it calls down FIRE FROM HEAVEN .
SAME PEOPLE TOO . this is so odd . AND its the same DIGITAL SYSTEM and same
inclusive we are one love stuff they alll spouting . LOOK around sister , cause times running out .
amigo de christo
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how will this god gather all one might ask .
By preaching a love that came of the world . by preaching a concept
that in part all religoins had , like good works , like loving and etc
and it will include even athiest as athiest beleive in doing good and what they think is loving .
THIS god is a very wise god , ITS NOT THE GOD , but it desires and always has desired to be as GOD .
And if we examine this message of inclusive , diversity , this so called love and being loving
WE SEE IT DENIES THE TRUTH OF GOD . embracing all religoins as though they are of GOD
and even CERTAIN SINS . THIS thing is very wise sister . VERY WISE and it knows
how to allure and to decieve and does so BY SERVING THE FLESHLY DESIRES OF MEN and promsing them
salvation too . IF ye will but worship me it says , i am the god who honors this rainbow of diverse and strange love
and i am for humanity and i judge not humanity , live and ye shall , ye are gods , do as thou wilt
ITS THE DEVIL SISTER . they cannot see this , they think ITS GOD and this is HIS LOVE , HIS BROAD SIN ACCEPTING PATH .
and yet notice no matter how much it cries judge not , no matter how much it cries GOD is love
ITS LOVE DONT REJOICE IN THE TRUTH , but rather IN INQUITY . its slick sister .
not to mention the longer they reamin under its false version of love
the harder their hearts grow towards , THE TRUTH and towards those who spoke and lived the truth .
CAUSE I SURE dont seem to see me much tolerance given towards WE WHO DO PREACH TRUTH in said places .
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amigo de christo
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a trivia question my friend .
and the answer is found in the letters of the apostles .
HOW does satan decieve . how is it that one has their conversation with satan .
THROUGH THE LUSTS OF THE FLESH , pride of life , etc . THROUGH the FLESH amadeus .
so when you read what i told to sister lizbeth its gonna make a whole lot of sense .
many folks are looking for some kind of monster that everyone is gonna be saying hail satan too .
NO , that is never how satan has tempted men . Look at how he tempted eve
look at how he tempted JESUS or tried too anyway .
HE twists scrips my friend . HE can say GOD IS LOVE , but beware his version of love .
cause it wont lead to GOD but to the other one who desired the worship as GOD .
Its those who deny satan , who wont conform , aka the saints , the lambs , THOSE are the ones HE goes after
to persecute and to kill and he does it through MEN . this is not new at all my friend .
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