Hardest Commands of Scripture for You?

[VictoryinJesus]

I understand what this thread is about...but I can't locate you on the radar.


There is a way that seems right to a man...a logical self-interested way...but that is the way of death.


But as a servant of God, why would I not try saving someone from death, knowing that the path someone has chosen was not based on the truth? And wouldn't I want someone to help me understand the truth if I was deluded about something?

The end is too late. There is way to investigate what the Spirit is saying. But that takes the work of seeking, asking and knocking...until the Lord answers.

Ok. I was only sharing with Wynona because I felt like she could relate. Maybe it has nothing to do with the topic as you said you know the topic well and my response isn’t even on the radar. But I wasn’t meaning it for you. It was to a wife, a mother and a sister who I’ve spoke to before about being a homemaker.

 

[Behold]

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Do you think that Timothy was confronting Muslims in the fist century?

Muslims oppose the truth, as do satanists, as do calvinists.. ect.

so, when a Believer has fallen prey to a cult teaching, then it can be that they might be rescued, and so, initially, a "Timothy" would try to gently help them back into the Light of correct Theology.
If however the Christian is "subverted within themselves" then that is impossible.

For sure. Often, the person who has the stronghold is convinced that it's the other who is in bondage.

That is the power of deception.

Because everybody has an equal say...nobody can tell who is speaking the truth.

I can tell, as i can always hear the false doctrine.

See, the Religious faker always tries to redesign God's Salvation into works and self effort, as the Religious carnal mind can't understand God's Grace, and does not want Salvation to be based on God's Grace, as that annoys their hyper self righteousness.

So it's like a game of...will the real mr X please stand up. There was a game to that effect long ago...where you ask questions and then vote on which contestant was the real deal.

The "Real deal" is the person who gives all Credit to Christ alone for saving them, and keeping them saved.

The liar, the deceived heretic, does not., and cannot., so they turn to self effort, law keeping, do-good ism, and anything that is related to SELF righteousness, pursuit.

So over time, the truth just might become apparent...or not.

Jesus said that "I am The Truth" John 14:6.... so that is "apparent" to any who are of the Truth, who can hear The Truth.

Religious pretenders who pretend to know what religious pretenders are Quite the maze.

the "religious pretender" is going to talk about works and self effort, law and commandment keeping..., as their idea of "Christianity".... as that is their faux religious idea of Salvation.

People want Jesus to be nice and complimentary.

Jesus came as a Lamb, and He's coming back with a Vengeance..

2 Thess 1:8-9

You are confusing the gift of grace with the fulness of grace...

Im only Giving Jesus ALL the Credit due Him alone.....for being the entire and eternal Grace of God, slain for the sin of the world.
I always do this, as that is the TRUTH.

If Jesus had never died on the Cross, there would be no "Grace of God", no "Salvation", no "Eternal Life In Christ"..
But because Jesus has died for the sin of us all, then God's Grace is revealed as : "The Cross of Christ".

 

[ShineTheLight]

The first one I think of is this:

Ephesians 4:29 KJV
Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

Much love!

Would making a jab and insult at someone count as corrupt communication?

 

[Bob Estey]

Here's a tough one for me to apply.

2 Timothy 2:23-25
King James Version
23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;



In other versions, it says quarrel. I am often tempted to think I can convince people by quarreling when I really can't.

My version (Revised Standard Version) says "quarrelsome." I would interpret that to mean not to make a habit of quarreling. We have to stand up for what we believe, but we shouldn't be looking for arguments.

 

[Jay Ross]

For me, and many others, the hardest Commandment/statute is simple to "Humble yourself and repent" of your primary sin. The manifested sins that come along after committing the primary sin obscures the singular primary sin because the manifested sins grow so rapidly.

If we would humble ourselves and repent of having committed the primary sin, then all of our sins would be also forgiven and stop playing a part in our lives as well.

As a word of warning the manifested sin have consequences that we have to deal with, and we have to also humble ourselves to accept our respective responsibilities that have come about because of the manifested sins that have been committed. The consequences may have wide ranging flow on effect with the people we have offended with our actions.

Shalom

 

[Wynona]

So many that come to mind have to do with speech, don't they?

The first one I think of is this:

Ephesians 4:29 KJV
Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

Much love!

Maybe part of learning to have the Godly speech is going through a time where you just have to bite your tongue a lot.

Then, you can learn to speak in an edifying way.

 

[amadeus]

Amen!

Ec 3:1

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

Ec 3:7

...a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;

 

[PS95]

Here's a tough one for me to apply.

2 Timothy 2:23-25
King James Version
23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;



In other versions, it says quarrel. I am often tempted to think I can convince people by quarreling when I really can't.

There is an awful lot of quarreling on these boards. It's hard to read. Non- essentials should be discussed not argued.

Having said that, there are many false teachers on here. I don't mean a believer who is making a mistake. We see that often. I am speaking about the false teachers who bring a new and different gospel but like to hide amongst Christians who secretly despise the teachings of Christianity, and are here to convert them to their cult. There is a huge distinction- and if we apply the scriptures- then let them be accursed. I will try to help them to believe the gospel, but when they persist in their antichrist rhetoric, I will expose them wherever I can. That's doesn't always read as meekness. "Let them be accursed", and "brood of vipers", "expose" them is still relevant in our time.

 

[Wynona]

There is an awful lot of quarreling on these boards. It's hard to read. Non- essentials should be discussed not argued.

Having said that, there are many false teachers on here. I don't mean a believer who is making a mistake. We see that often. I am speaking about the false teachers who bring a new and different gospel but like to hide amongst Christians who secretly despise the teachings of Christianity, and are here to convert them to their cult. There is a huge distinction- and if we apply the scriptures- then let them be accursed. I will try to help them to believe the gospel, but when they persist in their antichrist rhetoric, I will expose them wherever I can. That's doesn't always read as meekness. "Let them be accursed", and "brood of vipers", "expose" them is still relevant in our time.

If someone "exposes" someone and then lets their words stand---maybe. But pages of arguing and insults? I don't see a biblical precedent for that. If they are accursed, why not say what you need and leave? Aren't the accursed supposed to be avoided?

I think we all, myself included, ought to be careful. Examine our motives. Pray before posting.

 

[BarneyFife]

Here's a tough one for me to apply.

2 Timothy 2:23-25
King James Version
23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;



In other versions, it says quarrel. I am often tempted to think I can convince people by quarreling when I really can't.

There is indeed a fine line between "instructing those that oppose themselves" and "striving."

We like to impose man-made, boader and clearer lines, such as distinguishing between "essentials" and "non-essentials," etc., but there's always some gap left in these methods that involves relying on individual/group interpretation of Scripture.

I believe it is a deeply spiritual matter into which barely any of us have yet to exhibit the resolute purpose to plumb.

But I can really only speak for myself. :)

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[Wynona]

I believe it is a deeply spiritual matter into which barely any of us have yet to exhibit the resolute purpose to plumb.

:) Sir. Can you expound on that for us just a little?

 

[Wynona]

When I post Scriptures on patience and love, my beloved brethren will almost always bring up the exceptions.

What about Jesus' harshness toward the Pharisees? What about correcting false teachers? What about wolves in sheeps clothing?

Let's look at Jesus. Did the Lord attend the Pharisee lectures and simply spend hours arguing with them about Scripture? Or did he say what was needed (often when provoked) and move on to those who listened?

Did Paul say to keep dogging false brethren as if it's our mission? Or to avoid those who cause strife and controversy.

And if someone just personally offends us, why do we need to blast that in front of everyone by default when we can ask to speak with them one on one on here?

Ive been told all the exceptions to patience and gentleness a lot. I thought about it a lot. Ive just decided---even if I agree 100 percent with someone's views, if they aren't trying to edify with humility and speak with patience, I don't need to support them.

Leaders lead by showing a good example in themselves not just bossing others around.

 

[PS95]

If someone "exposes" someone and then lets their words stand---maybe. But pages of arguing and insults? I don't see a biblical precedent for that. If they are accursed, why not say what you need and leave? Aren't the accursed supposed to be avoided?

I think we all, myself included, ought to be careful. Examine our motives. Pray before posting.

If someone "exposes" someone and then lets their words stand---maybe. But pages of arguing and insults? I don't see a biblical precedent for that. If they are accursed, why not say what you need and leave? Aren't the accursed supposed to be avoided?

I think we all, myself included, ought to be careful. Examine our motives. Pray before posting.

Avoiding them is what Paul said, and I agree of course. That is in the context of not allowing them to teach you or influence you, befriending them etc. I do that. It is not possible to expose and avoid in the sense that you are saying. If they are posting here purposefully to stumble others they and then need to exposed that involves confronting them not avoiding them.
They don't always speak truthfully even about their own beliefs. This is deception and deception is tricker than many who do not know who they are want to admit or are even aware of.
I am curious as to why they are even allowed to post on Christian boards knowing that to them Christians are antichrists, and they are here as wolves amongst the sheep purposefully. Makes no sense to me. But since it's the policy here, I will continue to expose their teachings. I would love for the world to be nice all of the time too, but it's not reality. it wasn't in Jesus' day either.
This cult kills people.

Wynona, kindly look here- Tell me if you can see what I am trying to do for this Jw. Can you begin to see the depths of mind control there? it takes immense patience and yes it is pages and pages and if you read it you will see why.
Q for JW- KIEW?

Nonetheless, i do take you advice to heart and will try not to allow certain Jws on here to provoke anger. TY

 

[Wynona]

Avoiding them is what Paul said, and I agree of course. That is in the context of not allowing them to teach you or influence you, befriending them etc. I do that. It is not possible to expose and avoid in the sense that you are saying. If they are posting here purposefully to stumble others they and then need to exposed that involves confronting them not avoiding them.
They don't always speak truthfully even about their own beliefs. This is deception and deception is tricker than many who do not know who they are want to admit or are even aware of.
I am curious as to why they are even allowed to post on Christian boards knowing that to them Christians are antichrists, and they are here as wolves amongst the sheep purposefully. Makes no sense to me. But since it's the policy here, I will continue to expose their teachings. I would love for the world to be nice all of the time too, but it's not reality. it wasn't in Jesus' day either.
This cult kills people.

Wynona, kindly look here- Tell me if you can see what I am trying to do for this Jw. Can you begin to see the depths of mind control there? it takes immense patience and yes it is pages and pages and if you read it you will see why.
Q for JW- KIEW?

Nonetheless, i do take you advice to heart and will try not to allow certain Jws on here to provoke anger. TY

@PS95 Hopefully I was not projecting frustration at the nature of certain threads onto you.

I am not supposing that we should never expose or criticize on here. I just don't see why it has to be done repeatedly, that's all. I think that's where we fall onto bad motives and expose...well...our childishness.

Ill look at the thread you mentioned, since you asked. Thanks for hearing me out!

 

[Wynona]

Wynona, kindly look here- Tell me if you can see what I am trying to do for this Jw. Can you begin to see the depths of mind control there? it takes immense patience and yes it is pages and pages and if you read it you will see why.
Q for JW- KIEW?

Thanks. I see a big difference in correcting to help verses correcting to self-promote. Zeal to correct is profitable if done for the sake of others.

What I don't like is this subculture of spiritualizing off-topic fault finding and insults as if it's righteous when that person is clearly not receiving it or benefitting in any way. Don't dump your anger all over someone to promote your views and act like you did everyone a favor. That's just...narcissism.

 

[BarneyFife]

:) Sir. Can you expound on that for us just a little?

It's a simple, but objectionable matter, I'm afraid. We pray too little for the gift of the Holy Spirit. Christ spoke a lot about this—we don't. The problem is that the Spirit is not divided.

If we expect Him to guide us, we must be ready to be guided wholly. We can't have the comfort and power without also being confronted with conviction.

We're generally looking for good news about our bad habits. We're thrilled when we find out that a health-compromising and/or addictive substance we like also has antioxidants. Never mind that we can get those same benefits from substances that do no harm.

This is just a physiological illustration—not a health lecture.

God is more willing than evil men are to give good gifts to His children. Since the Spirit is the agency by which we are to bear everlasting fruit, to receive consolation in every disappointment, power in every challenging situation, joy even in the midst of diverse troubles, and even wisdom to overcome the things we think, say, and do that lessen the quality of life in ourselves as well as others, why do we not plead long for the heavenly gift, speak of it, preach concerning it?

When I think of what little belief I, myself, actually exercise in the promises showered throughout His word, I am ashamed. Thank God for His inexpressible mercy!

God gives spiritual discernment to deal with those about us in direct proportion to our hunger and thirst for it. He is not impressed with our posturing and professions of faith. I am convinced that I, as a "Christian," mock God far more than those at whom I am so quick to point my finger.

My great-grandmother used to walk around talking to Jesus all day long, regardless of the company she kept. Many folks thought she was a bit "addled," but she could break away from it to engage fully with others and go right back to it without missing a beat. She never demonstrated any signs of mental illness, otherwise.

I don't expect that others should gage spirituality with an example like this, but I've always thought it was a shining example of someone determined to make the kind of time the Bible prescribes for prayer. She was never at a loss to handle anything gracefully.

I have, at various seasons of my life, had periods of time when I was especially close to God, and during those times, the things I tried to do for Him were marked with extraordinary success. But those seasons were also spent pleading with God to forgive and change me daily as if I'd never known forgiveness and change before, by the presence and power of the Holy Spirit; that I would keep Christ's face ever before me.

You know, the kind of devotion and consecration that makes people at church a little uncomfortable around you. You find yourself alone, or with different folks than usual sitting with you at potluck dinners.

John 4:23-24 — But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

:)
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[Wynona]

You know, the kind of devotion and consecration that makes people at church a little uncomfortable around you. You find yourself alone, or with different folks than usual sitting with you at potluck dinners.

This is why you're great in my book. Wisdom. Devotion will get you a lonely path. The same people look confused that you want to talk about God or the Bible when the service is over.

 

[BarneyFife]

This is why you're great in my book. Wisdom. Devotion will get you a lonely path. The same people look confused that you want to talk about God or the Bible when the service is over.

You're much too kind. Whatever wisdom I may have stumbled over came from the same Place that dispenses all wisdom, as I'm sure you're aware.

"If any of you lack wisdom..." (James 1:5)

But you're right, of course. It's much easier to spot folks who are hungering and thirsting after righteousness when you're trying to beat that path yourself. And those who are, sadly, "playing church" will look at you like you're from outer space. (I hate to open up a can of worms, but certain false doctrines tend to foster spiritual slumber.)

If you really want to run them off, start talking about how much the Biblical, personal Christ means to You. (That's not very nice, is it?)

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[Wynona]

That's not very nice, is it?)

I don't always like the word "nice". I don't expect it, nor is it ideal. Kindness with sincerity can cut like a knife. Nice is what we do to be liked by others, sometimes.

 

[BarneyFife]

I don't always like the word "nice". I don't expect it, nor is it ideal. Kindness with sincerity can cut like a knife. Nice is what we do to be liked by others, sometimes.

I don't expect it, either, except from myself. The word doesn't even have the same meaning it had 200 years ago - lol.

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