When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

[covenantee]

I'm not the one saying God does not keep.his word. That would be you.

The Pharisees tried to prevent Him from keeping His Word and giving us the Better Promises of His New Will and Testament.

Like you try to prevent Him.

They failed, and you fail.

 

[tailgator]

The Pharisees tried to prevent Him from keeping His Word and giving us the Better Promises of His New Will and Testament.

Like you try to prevent Him.

They failed, and you fail.

Mathew 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

 

[tailgator]

The Pharisees tried to prevent Him from keeping His Word and giving us the Better Promises of His New Will and Testament.

Like you try to prevent Him.

They failed, and you fail.

You say God does not keep his word.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You reject the word of God like a Pharisee.

You mean like you reject Paul's words in 1 Corinthians 15:20-23? You reject Paul's teaching because you think he didn't have the full revelation of Bible prophecy. That is what you have said. You are a false teacher that no one can trust.

 

[covenantee]

Dispensationalists think more about Israel than they do about Jesus Christ and His church. Their focus is completely off base. It makes me wonder how close their personal relationship with Him can be when they focus so much on the wrong things. I would compare them to Lazarus's sister Martha. When Jesus came to visit her and her sister Mary, Martha was too busy to give Jesus any attention while Mary sat with Him and listened to Him attentively. Jesus complimented Mary on having the better priorities compared to Martha. Dispensationalists need to get their priorities straight as well and starting giving Jesus the attention He deserves.

Absolutely, bro. Their racist dogma depends for its survival upon the elevation of Israel above Christ.

An abomination of desecration.

 

[amigo de christo]

Nothing more needs to be said in response to that post. I don't know if you're aware, but tailgator has a lot of nonsensical beliefs. I showed him the order of bodily resurrections unto bodily immortality in 1 Corinthians 15:22-23 and he dismissed it because he said Paul didn't have the full revelation of Bible prophecy like John did. Can you believe that nonsense? He undermines Paul's teaching. There are others out there like that who don't accept Paul's teachings. Beware of this wolf in sheep's clothing.

They will pit apostel against apostel in order to attain to a lie they so desire to beleive .
I seen this often .
Men will even be as bold to say , WE have the greater revelation than did the apostels
And many other things do they do and do they say . My advice is
HEED NOT A WORD that comes out of they mouth . The end . scrips do not contradict scrips
and apostels did not contradict apostels , or Christ , or even the Scrips themselves in torah .
WE got a madhouse my friend . and now even the that which is of anti christ is being embraced as love
by this generation .
HAS GOD REALLY SAID YE MUST BELIEVE IN JESUS THE CHRIST
nay nay sayeth the serpent , surely ye shall not perish or be damned if ye believe not that JESUS is the CHRIST
cause GOD IS LOVE and LOVING and his path be broad .
THE LIE is upon this generation .
And even as they did not recieve the LOVE of the truth whereby they might be saved
Well , what happpens . He sent a strong delusion so as they would beleive a lie and be damned .
I SEE A UNIFYING LIE they call love and try and sell as though GOD is behind it .
only , the only god i know that would sell such a lie , WOULD BE THE SERPENT and NOT GOD .

 

[covenantee]

You say God does not keep his word.

Hebrews 8:6 says that He does.

But that's not in your bible.

 

[tailgator]

Hebrews 8:6 says that He does.

But that's not in your bible.

But you don't believe the word of God.You say God will not give Abraham the land he promised him.

You say this is a lie.

Genesis 17:8
The whole land of Canaan, where you now reside as a foreigner, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God.”

 

[covenantee]

But you don't believe the word of God.You say God will not give Abraham the land he promised him.

You say this is a lie.

Genesis 17:8
The whole land of Canaan, where you now reside as a foreigner, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God.”

What does Hebrews 8:6 say?

But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Absolutely, bro. Their racist dogma depends for its survival upon the elevation of Israel above Christ.

An abomination of desecration.

Satan has deceived many with that nonsense. He does anything he can to get people's focus off of the God of the universe, Jesus Christ.

 

[tailgator]

What does Hebrews 8:6 say?

But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

A new covenant does not mean the land of Canaan changed to mars.

The new covenant is God's law written upon the hearts of men and inside them.

It does not change God's land promise to Abraham.

 

[tailgator]

What does Hebrews 8:6 say?

But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

You say this is a lie.

Genesis 17:8
The whole land of Canaan, where you now reside as a foreigner, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God.”

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What does Hebrews 8:6 say?

But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Looks like he is mistaken about who is not believing the word of God. That would be him. How much more clear can that verse be? Yet, this lying hypocrite tailgator denies what it so clearly says.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

A new covenant does not mean the land of Canaan changed to mars.

The new covenant is God's law written upon the hearts of men and inside them.

It does not change God's land promise to Abraham.

Why are you expecting something different in fulfillment of God's promise to Abraham than what Abraham himself was looking for?

Hebrews 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. 9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: 10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. 11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised. 12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable. 13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. 15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. 16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

 

[covenantee]

A new covenant does not mean the land of Canaan changed to mars.

The new covenant is God's law written upon the hearts of men and inside them.

It does not change God's land promise to Abraham.

A New Will and Testament replaces an old will and testament in its entirety. That's how wills and testaments work.

And God's New Will and Testament replaces the land promise to Abraham with Better Promises.

Which Abraham experiences today.

Like these.

Hebrews 11
8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

 

[WPM]

I don't need to watch Jesus sit beside God.
Jesus commanded me to watch the events in the prophecies which you do not watch.

Your not a watchman.

You also do not know anything about the abomination of desolation and Israels policy of self annihilation.

The context of Matthew 24:22 and Mark 13:20 is clearly the destruction of Jerusalem.

In His discourse in Matthew 23:37-24:2 the Lord warns, “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord (the second coming). Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? Verily I say unto you, there shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”

The religious Jews of Jerusalem were about to witness the destruction of their temple. Moreover, that ruination would remain in place from its demolition right up until the second coming of the Lord. The desolation of the temple significantly occurred on the wing of 40 years of idolatrous temple sacrifices (exactly a generation)? The statement “there shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down” was plainly referring to, and correlating with, the warning He had just made to the religious Jews about the impending destruction of the temple in Jerusalem. It was also a direct reference to Daniel 9.

Matthew 24:1-2 records, “And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”

Christ was specifically speaking here of “the buildings of the temple” not the city. You cannot anywhere find that Israel is described as this. This is literal precise detail!

Mark 13:1-2 records, “And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here. And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”

In this parallel account, Mark corroborates the thought of Matthew.

Luke 21:5-6 records, “And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said, As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”

The disciples then asked two questions in Matthew 24 in response to our Lord’s words.

Matthew 24:3 records:

1. “When shall these things be?”
2. “What shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?”

Mark 13:4 records:

1. “When shall these things be?”
2. “What shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled (finished or ended)?”

Luke 21:7 records:

1. “When shall these things be?”
2. “What sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?”

Christ addressed both questions and both eras in chapter 24. However, because of the intermingling of His response, many Bible students suffer great confusion in identifying what aspect of the teaching relates to AD 70 and what relates to the second coming.

In His response to the first question in Matthew 24:15-22, He spoke of the end of the 40 year probationary period (AD 70), saying, “When ye (the disciples) therefore shall see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, whoso readeth, let him understand: Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation (thlipsis), such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.”

Mark 13:14-20 says, “when ye (the disciples) shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains: And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house: And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment. But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter. For in those days shall be tribulation (thlipsis), such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.”

This can only refer to the wrath of God being poured out on Jerusalem that destroyed the existing socio-political/cultural/religious system of Judaism, which was an offence to God. This people were decimated. Their religious system was effectively brought to nought. Nothing before AD 70, or after it, could compare in regard to the extent of its demise. Luke 21:20-24 reinforces that we are looking at AD 70.

Luke’s parallel passage, in Luke 21:20-24, records, “when ye (the disciples) shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! For there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.”

Whatever people are in view in whatever location (the Bible says Jerusalem and Judea not Johannesburg or Jaffa), they are limited if fleeing “on the sabbath day” (Saturday). This certainly isn't a restriction to American Christians, maybe Israeli ones. Now, why would such a matter be a limitation to one fleeing the great tribulation? Simple. Because of the strict Pharisaic Law in Israel at that time that restricted the actual distance a Jew could walk on the Sabbath day (Friday sunset to Saturday sunset), as it was a religious day of rest. Jews were only allowed to only walk three quarters of a mile on the Sabbath before they would break the day of rest. At the time of Jesus the Jewish authorities closed the gates of the city on the Sabbath; therefore flight from the city on that day would have been extremely difficult. How can the Futurists serious relate such a restriction (1) to the Church and (2) the period preceding "the end of the age"? This last assertion further supports the view that the Jewish capital is the setting and the Jews living in that city (prior to AD 70) are the subjects receiving this warning.

 

[tailgator]

A New Will and Testament replaces an old will and testament in its entirety. That's how wills and testaments work.

And God's New Will and Testament replaces the land promise to Abraham with Better Promises.

Which Abraham experiences today.

Like these.

Hebrews 11
8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

And it will be in the land of Canaan which God promised Abraham.


But you say God lied to Abraham

 

[WPM]

I don't need to watch Jesus sit beside God.
Jesus commanded me to watch the events in the prophecies which you do not watch.

Your not a watchman.

You also do not know anything about the abomination of desolation and Israels policy of self annihilation.

It was Israel’s wanton rejection of Messiah that drew this widespread devastation upon the land. The Jewish people are clearly the recipients of this great judgment, which is similarly described in the respective readings as the “wrath,” “vengeance” and “tribulation great” of God. But why such vengeance? Because the Jewish nation had finally rejected God’s only provision for sin and uncleanness – their Messiah – by crucifying Him. It was now time for God to punish them with His “wrath” for this great iniquitous transgression. Christ was speaking to a company of Christ-rejecting inhabitants of Jerusalem, and a "generation" nearly 2,000 years ago, which would witness this tribulation great. However, it was to be the vengeance and wrath of God, not an end-time anti-Christ. Nowhere did Christ say that the aforementioned tribulation great would be global.

Also worth noting, the fact that Christ advances three particular types of situation that would prove restrictive to anyone fleeing the described destruction. Firstly, a woman laden down with the burden and responsibility of a weaning child; understandably she would be physically hampered in her escape. Secondly, fleeing during the winter season, obviously because the elements would have proved an undoubted restriction to Jews 2,000 years ago. Winter conditions in ancient days would have been a real issue then but not for us in our modern civilization. The poorest saints today have access to able vehicles that are well-maintained and well-heated. However, flight during winter would have been a real restriction for early Church saints. Thirdly, fleeing “on the sabbath day.” Now, why would such a matter be a limitation to one escaping the great tribulation? Simple, because of the strict Pharisaic Law in Israel at that time that restricted the actual distance a Jew could walk on the Sabbath day (Friday sunset to Saturday sunset), as it was a religious day of rest. Jews were only allowed to only walk three quarters of a mile on the Sabbath before they would break the day of rest. This was a religious rule that enjoyed no scriptural foundation. The Jews would be snared with their own limitation. How can the Futurists serious relate such a restriction to a post-secret rapture tribulation? This last assertion further supports the view that the Jewish capital is the setting and the Jews living in that city (prior to AD 70) are the subjects receiving this warning.

Luke’s account of this great tribulation limits this great tribulation to “the land” (singular) as in Israel, not many lands (plural) as some would have us believe. He also shows how the wrath will be reserved for “this people” who possess the land – namely the Jews. He explains how these Jews shall “fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.” The wordings of these texts make it impossible for it to be a worldwide end-time tribulation.

Also, in carefully comparing these three accounts, with their related expressions, which describe the one identical event, we note some very vital information. Speaking of the same situation, all three writers say, “when ye see” a certain thing appear “then” that is your sign to “flee.” What was that thing? Matthew and Mark describe that sign as “the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet.” Notwithstanding, they then both proceed to situate that abomination of desolation, using slightly differing terminology, “in the holy place” (Matthew 24:15) and “where it ought not” (Mark 13:14).

Dr. Luke is more specific, and seems to identify both the warning that would appear, and the location (or holy place) where it would appear. He states, “when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.” After identifying this, he then declares, in near identical language to the other two accounts, “Then let them which are in Judaea flee.” Plainly, the appearance of the sign is the actual signal that the Lord gives to occasion the escape from Jerusalem. We must therefore assume, from this corresponding accounts, that the appearance of the desolater, which was to be the actual signal to flee, was the “compassed” or circling invading heathen Roman armies, which had come to specially destroy the city, and that the “holy place” is the actual city of Jerusalem, or the temple therein.

The only thing that would push us away from the idea that the temple was the actual holy place described is that Luke just simply mentions Jerusalem. Also, one would image that if an invading army had advanced as far as the temple, in the centre of Jerusalem, then it would be far too late for to flee. Surely the harmony and correlation between these three passages, including the unquestionable restricting of the persecution to Jerusalem and the Jewish people makes this a profound historic record of God’s wrath upon the Jewish nation for their rejection of Messiah and the continuation of the then abolished sacrifices.

The command to flee was taken up by the believing Jews who indeed acted upon the Lord's counsel and therefore escaped this judgment of the Lord. They were consequently able to take the Gospel out throughout the Middle East. I don't know how you can't see this. Maybe you don't want to see it?

 

[tailgator]

You online Premillers are a vicious sort. Your rhetoric is brutal.

The context of Matthew 24:22 and Mark 13:20 is clearly the destruction of Jerusalem.

In His discourse in Matthew 23:37-24:2 the Lord warns, “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord (the second coming). Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? Verily I say unto you, there shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”

The religious Jews of Jerusalem were about to witness the destruction of their temple. Moreover, that ruination would remain in place from its demolition right up until the second coming of the Lord. The desolation of the temple significantly occurred on the wing of 40 years of idolatrous temple sacrifices (exactly a generation)? The statement “there shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down” was plainly referring to, and correlating with, the warning He had just made to the religious Jews about the impending destruction of the temple in Jerusalem. It was also a direct reference to Daniel 9.

Matthew 24:1-2 records, “And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”

Christ was specifically speaking here of “the buildings of the temple” not the city. You cannot anywhere find that Israel is described as this. This is literal precise detail!

Mark 13:1-2 records, “And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here. And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”

In this parallel account, Mark corroborates the thought of Matthew.

Luke 21:5-6 records, “And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said, As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”

The disciples then asked two questions in Matthew 24 in response to our Lord’s words.

Matthew 24:3 records:

1. “When shall these things be?”
2. “What shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?”

Mark 13:4 records:

1. “When shall these things be?”
2. “What shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled (finished or ended)?”

Luke 21:7 records:

1. “When shall these things be?”
2. “What sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?”

Christ addressed both questions and both eras in chapter 24. However, because of the intermingling of His response, many Bible students suffer great confusion in identifying what aspect of the teaching relates to AD 70 and what relates to the second coming.

In His response to the first question in Matthew 24:15-22, He spoke of the end of the 40 year probationary period (AD 70), saying, “When ye (the disciples) therefore shall see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, whoso readeth, let him understand: Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation (thlipsis), such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.”

Mark 13:14-20 says, “when ye (the disciples) shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains: And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house: And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment. But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter. For in those days shall be tribulation (thlipsis), such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.”

This can only refer to the wrath of God being poured out on Jerusalem that destroyed the existing socio-political/cultural/religious system of Judaism, which was an offence to God. This people were decimated. Their religious system was effectively brought to nought. Nothing before AD 70, or after it, could compare in regard to the extent of its demise. Luke 21:20-24 reinforces that we are looking at AD 70.

Luke’s parallel passage, in Luke 21:20-24, records, “when ye (the disciples) shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! For there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.”

Whatever people are in view in whatever location (the Bible says Jerusalem and Judea not Johannesburg or Jaffa), they are limited if fleeing “on the sabbath day” (Saturday). This certainly isn't a restriction to American Christians, maybe Israeli ones. Now, why would such a matter be a limitation to one fleeing the great tribulation? Simple. Because of the strict Pharisaic Law in Israel at that time that restricted the actual distance a Jew could walk on the Sabbath day (Friday sunset to Saturday sunset), as it was a religious day of rest. Jews were only allowed to only walk three quarters of a mile on the Sabbath before they would break the day of rest. At the time of Jesus the Jewish authorities closed the gates of the city on the Sabbath; therefore flight from the city on that day would have been extremely difficult. How can the Futurists serious relate such a restriction (1) to the Church and (2) the period preceding "the end of the age"? This last assertion further supports the view that the Jewish capital is the setting and the Jews living in that city (prior to AD 70) are the subjects receiving this warning.

Jerusalem looks like it's not destroyed the last time I checked.The Pharisees have all but taken control of the government and the king sitting upon his throne is ready to give his subjects his mark.

 

[tailgator]

It was Israel’s wanton rejection of Messiah that drew this widespread devastation upon the land. The Jewish people are clearly the recipients of this great judgment, which is similarly described in the respective readings as the “wrath,” “vengeance” and “tribulation great” of God. But why such vengeance? Because the Jewish nation had finally rejected God’s only provision for sin and uncleanness – their Messiah – by crucifying Him. It was now time for God to punish them with His “wrath” for this great iniquitous transgression. Christ was speaking to a company of Christ-rejecting inhabitants of Jerusalem, and a "generation" nearly 2,000 years ago, which would witness this tribulation great. However, it was to be the vengeance and wrath of God, not an end-time anti-Christ. Nowhere did Christ say that the aforementioned tribulation great would be global.

Also worth noting, the fact that Christ advances three particular types of situation that would prove restrictive to anyone fleeing the described destruction. Firstly, a woman laden down with the burden and responsibility of a weaning child; understandably she would be physically hampered in her escape. Secondly, fleeing during the winter season, obviously because the elements would have proved an undoubted restriction to Jews 2,000 years ago. Winter conditions in ancient days would have been a real issue then but not for us in our modern civilization. The poorest saints today have access to able vehicles that are well-maintained and well-heated. However, flight during winter would have been a real restriction for early Church saints. Thirdly, fleeing “on the sabbath day.” Now, why would such a matter be a limitation to one escaping the great tribulation? Simple, because of the strict Pharisaic Law in Israel at that time that restricted the actual distance a Jew could walk on the Sabbath day (Friday sunset to Saturday sunset), as it was a religious day of rest. Jews were only allowed to only walk three quarters of a mile on the Sabbath before they would break the day of rest. This was a religious rule that enjoyed no scriptural foundation. The Jews would be snared with their own limitation. How can the Futurists serious relate such a restriction to a post-secret rapture tribulation? This last assertion further supports the view that the Jewish capital is the setting and the Jews living in that city (prior to AD 70) are the subjects receiving this warning.

Luke’s account of this great tribulation limits this great tribulation to “the land” (singular) as in Israel, not many lands (plural) as some would have us believe. He also shows how the wrath will be reserved for “this people” who possess the land – namely the Jews. He explains how these Jews shall “fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.” The wordings of these texts make it impossible for it to be a worldwide end-time tribulation.

Also, in carefully comparing these three accounts, with their related expressions, which describe the one identical event, we note some very vital information. Speaking of the same situation, all three writers say, “when ye see” a certain thing appear “then” that is your sign to “flee.” What was that thing? Matthew and Mark describe that sign as “the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet.” Notwithstanding, they then both proceed to situate that abomination of desolation, using slightly differing terminology, “in the holy place” (Matthew 24:15) and “where it ought not” (Mark 13:14).

Dr. Luke is more specific, and seems to identify both the warning that would appear, and the location (or holy place) where it would appear. He states, “when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.” After identifying this, he then declares, in near identical language to the other two accounts, “Then let them which are in Judaea flee.” Plainly, the appearance of the sign is the actual signal that the Lord gives to occasion the escape from Jerusalem. We must therefore assume, from this corresponding accounts, that the appearance of the desolater, which was to be the actual signal to flee, was the “compassed” or circling invading heathen Roman armies, which had come to specially destroy the city, and that the “holy place” is the actual city of Jerusalem, or the temple therein.

The only thing that would push us away from the idea that the temple was the actual holy place described is that Luke just simply mentions Jerusalem. Also, one would image that if an invading army had advanced as far as the temple, in the centre of Jerusalem, then it would be far too late for to flee. Surely the harmony and correlation between these three passages, including the unquestionable restricting of the persecution to Jerusalem and the Jewish people makes this a profound historic record of God’s wrath upon the Jewish nation for their rejection of Messiah and the continuation of the then abolished sacrifices.

The command to flee was taken up by the believing Jews who indeed acted upon the Lord's counsel and therefore escaped this judgment of the Lord. They were consequently able to take the Gospel out throughout the Middle East. I don't know how you can't see this. Maybe you don't want to see it?

There is no destruction come upon Israel who today rejects Messiah.
You've got about 4 more years before all Israel neighbors destroy Israel.