The Rapture Cover-up

[MA2444]

Before what? Please be specific

Before His second Coming, when He puts evil down and evil people.

ABSOLUTELY TRUE

They should of KNOWN since it was told them beginning in Genesis.

Good, you know that part.

 

[MA2444]

There is no point to rapture because it doesn’t exist. This is what happened to Gods people during the great tribulation.

Isa 26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

Exactly. Because they were Raptured out before the GT.

 

[MA2444]

the GT has not occurred
We are very close now to it!

CORRECT.

Isaiah 26:20 is for His Second Coming

INCORRECT.

 

[MA2444]

WOW

Back to Bible Basics for you my Brother in Christ!

But you didnt even answer my question.

 

[MA2444]

as are these with NO PROOF:
pre-trib rapture
worship/praying to Mary
Mary's ascention to heaven
Sanctified Saints "left behing" at His Coming

Oh no you dont my brother. You have had planty of scriptures provided to you. You did not have eyes to see them, and did not have ears to hear them. Your misguided belief does not change the truth.

 

[MA2444]

That's right, it's called faith.

I dont think it's a faith problem. I think it's a belief problem.
You dont believe that Jesus loves you enough to take you out of the worst tribulation the world has ever seen!

Lord, help our Unbelief.

 

[MA2444]

Only 'faith' in God's Word is validated before the LORD.

Faith in any other voice that is contrary to the words of God and the LORD Jesus Christ is cast out.

Doesnt anyone know how much Jesus really loves them?

 

[MatthewG]

Only 'faith' in God's Word is validated before the LORD.

Faith in any other voice that is contrary to the words of God and the LORD Jesus Christ is cast out.

No. It’s faith in the death burial and resurrection which is the gospel. This also can include his ascension and return.

We do not judge 'people' but we do examine their words against the words of God/Truth.

P.S. = God is not "fine" with "whatever a person believes" = SEE Genesis chapter 3

Matthew, Have a blessed weekend in the Word of God

I don’t think you would be able to have any authority for the ability to correct me, though right?

TWO-FOLD Prophecy my friend.

Shalom

I’ve heard this before. It must be a commonly taught concept in church. I would totally be in the disagreement area about it. You see because Jesus only spoke of one time, of a time that would never be again. That’s fine though, thank you for sharing me what you do believe concerning it.

You also have a good weekend.

 

[MatthewG]

I dont think it's a faith problem. I think it's a belief problem.
You dont believe that Jesus loves you enough to take you out of the worst tribulation the world has ever seen!

Lord, help our Unbelief.

The problem with that is it was a one time even never to be so great ever again. So I don’t know what to say. Other than ask the question…

Were the living breathing people in that day lied too?

Some will say double prophecy that’s fine too, it must be a concept taught in some denominations I do not accept it personally, but that is my decision.

I’ve spoken to a life breathing person face to face at a restaurant about this. We disagreed with each other, but he believed in a double prophecy…

I’m someone who believer all prophecy have been fulfilled. He was not. We still believed in the risen Christ Jesus by Yahavahs Holy Spirit.

 

[MA2444]

The problem with that is it was a one time even never to be so great ever again. View attachment 49693 So I don’t know what to say. Other than ask the question…

Were the living breathing people in that day lied too?

Some will say double prophecy that’s fine too, it must be a concept taught in some denominations I do not accept it personally, but that is my decision.

I’ve spoken to a life breathing person face to face at a restaurant about this. We disagreed with each other, but he believed in a double prophecy…

I’m someone who believer all prophecy have been fulfilled. He was not. We still believed in the risen Christ Jesus by Yahavahs Holy Spirit.

I'm not really sure what you're asking me there? We dont see eye to eye on this so its hard for me to follow your train of thought.

 

[IndianaRob]

Exactly. Because they were Raptured out before the GT.

Do you think this future great tribulation will be worse than the tribulation that happened around the crucifixtion?

 

[MA2444]

There is no point to rapture because it doesn’t exist.

If that is true, can you help me unpack this verse because it sees to create a contradiction at that point. If no rapture exists...what was Paul talking about here?

1 Thessalonians 4:17
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord..../KJV

If you go to Blueletterbible.org, and online concordance, the phrase "caught up" means to snatch away and seize, or in the Latin Vulgate it is translated as...Rapture.

How can this be brother? I cant see where scripture says Rapture doesnt exist, and it seems to say there is in this passage.

Help a Brother out here! What's that mean?

 

[MA2444]

Do you think this future great tribulation will be worse than the tribulation that happened around the crucifixtion?

Yes. Because Jesus said it will be worse than anything the earth has ever seen before nor will again in the future...

I looked up "ever seen before" in Greek, and in Greek, it means "ever seen before". :)

 

[IndianaRob]

If that is true, can you help me unpack this verse because it sees to create a contradiction at that point. If no rapture exists...what was Paul talking about here?

1 Thessalonians 4:17
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord..../KJV

If you go to Blueletterbible.org, and online concordance, the phrase "caught up" means to snatch away and seize, or in the Latin Vulgate it is translated as...Rapture.

How can this be brother? I cant see where scripture says Rapture doesnt exist, and it seems to say there is in this passage.

Help a Brother out here! What's that mean?

Yes you can call it “caught up”, “snatched away”, “harpazoed” or “raptured” all of those terms are talking about taking believers out of this world and into heaven. I do not say that this doesn’t happen in fact I know it happens.

Where the contention comes in is that your side believes that the rapture is a corporate snatching up at the end of time.

I’m perfectly fine with that except that I know what Paul is talking about and I know why he included himself as one that would be alive and remain at the coming of Jesus.

There are at least 3 things that your side is not aware of or either ignore.

1. The dead in Christ were the Old Testament saints and they were raised with Christ and are currently in heaven with the Lord.
2. There are at least three different ways that Jesus comes. 1) When we are saved Jesus COMES into our lives. 2) When we die Jesus COMES to take us home. 3) Jesus COMES as king of Kings and Lord of lords (2nd coming). Every time your side sees Jesus coming it always considered to be the 2nd coming.
3. Enoch is not a type of “the rapture”, Enoch DIED but he did not SEE his death because he was taken to heaven BEFORE his body died.

The language around “the rapture” verses screams “Jesus coming” in that passage means coming at our deaths. With the main screaming voice being Paul specifically saying that HE would be one that is alive and remaining that would be caught up with the dead in Christ.

The Bible is shear perfection, the are no errors and there are no mistakes. If Paul said he would be alive then you can bet your life he would be alive.

I appreciate you asking for more details and a better explanation because most of your side skims what I say and immediately considers me a nut job.

I can take you verse by verse and show you why those verses are talking about our translation into heaven.

 

[MatthewG]

I'm not really sure what you're asking me there? We dont see eye to eye on this so its hard for me to follow your train of thought.

Okay.

Is this question clear or is it difficult to understand “was the people who were spoken to by Jesus in that day, lied to concerning his return?”

Which would entail “the one and great time event which would never be so great again.”

Were those people lied to? Or is it just your hope and belief that Jesus is coming again, regardless of what is written down concerning what Jesus had said?

Yes. Because Jesus said it will be worse than anything the earth has ever seen before nor will again in the future...

I looked up "ever seen before" in Greek, and in Greek, it means "ever seen before". :)

If this is your stance, and you don’t consider what is been written concerning what Jesus said, then I totally get it.

I’m glad you could share you belief with me, and that’s totally fine if you desire to go on about that way.

Everyone will in the end reap what they sow, and we are to love Yahvah, and love our neighbor, and not try to control or manipulate them.

Hope you are able to read this clearly and understand!

Blessing, miss, respectfully Matthew.

 

[IndianaRob]

Yes. Because Jesus said it will be worse than anything the earth has ever seen before nor will again in the future...

I looked up "ever seen before" in Greek, and in Greek, it means "ever seen before". :)

Are you aware that dead people come up from their graves and lay on the ground for three days and then stood to their feet and walked the streets of Jerusalem when Jesus rose from the dead?

Are you aware that God came down from heaven and punished the inhabitants of the earth when Jesus died on the cross?

Are you aware that Ezekiel 38 and 39 were fulfilled PRIOR to the day of Pentecost.

There’s no way I’ll ever be convinced that things on this earth will be worse than Gods wrath poured out on this planet when they murdered his son.

Do you really think something worse than that is coming?

 

[Phoneman777]

The first coming was Jesus coming in human flesh.

The second coming was Jesus coming back from the grave in all power and glory and in his glorified body.

Yes, "coming to Earth" and "coming forth from the grave" are close - but close is for hand grenades and horseshoes. What's identical is "coming to Earth" and "coming to Earth again".

But, here's why we know the Second Coming refers to the resurrection:

Jesus promised to "come again" after He'd prepared a "place" for us - which "place" hadn't even yet gotten under construction resurrection morning, nor for at least another 40 days.

 

[IndianaRob]

Yes, "coming to Earth" and "coming forth from the grave" are close - but close is for hand grenades and horseshoes. What's identical is "coming to Earth" and "coming to Earth again".

But, here's why we know the Second Coming refers to the resurrection:

Jesus promised to "come again" after He'd prepared a "place" for us - which "place" hadn't even yet gotten under construction resurrection morning, nor for at least another 40 days.

When Jesus died on the cross the place was prepared. No?

What more does Jesus have to do to allow us access into heaven?

 

[Phoneman777]

There ABSOLUTELY Was and Is and Is to Come....................

“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

“Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen

Amen, which means the resurrection isn't the Second Coming.

 

[David in NJ]

Amen, which means the resurrection isn't the Second Coming.

Let's SEE know:

a.) the OT Prophets declare that the Resurrection of the Just is at His Second Coming
b.) JESUS says the Resurrection of the Just is at His Second Coming
c.) the Apostles declare that the Resurrection of the Just is at His Second Coming

But you choose not to believe Them!!!