Do you think that people in Heaven miss their loved ones still on Earth?

[Rockerduck]

He definitely wasn't beautiful by any means of the flesh. Painted pictures are just idols (to some degree or fashion.) Our flesh is not what is important. It's reaping to the spiritual things in this life before we die.

In the 50's and 60's, I saw many pictures of Jesus hanging on the wall. Many bibles back then came with picture of Jesus in it. They weren't idols. Nobody worshiped the picture. Idols get worshiped. Rock stars get Idol worship. Men who own prize cars worship them. It's just the world, without Jesus in it.

 

[NotTheRock]

Show any picture of Jesus, that men have made, and you'll see long hair. The Shroud of Turin is Jesus, and he had long hair. Jesus has come to me in visions, and He has long hair, past His shoulders.

I'd love to read about your visitations from Jesus! Can you share, please?

I'm uncertain about Jesus's hair length because of the following. Perhaps I am misunderstanding.

1 Corinthians 11

English Standard Version

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11 Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ.

Head Coverings​

2 Now I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I delivered them to you. 3 But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife[a] is her husband,[b] and the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, 5 but every wife[c] who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same as if her head were shaven. 6 For if a wife will not cover her head, then she should cut her hair short. But since it is disgraceful for a wife to cut off her hair or shave her head, let her cover her head. 7 For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. 9 Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 10 That is why a wife ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.[d] 11 Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man nor man of woman; 12 for as woman was made from man, so man is now born of woman. And all things are from God. 13 Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a wife to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14 Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him, 15 but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering. 16 If anyone is inclined to be contentious, we have no such practice, nor do the churches of God.

 

[NotTheRock]

Miss their loved ones still on Earth?
I would say no.

IMO…it is a sorrowful feeling to miss a loved one…I don’t believe Heaven is a place where sorrow exists.

I think you're right, but why do you suppose that the souls in Heaven don't miss their loved ones still on Earth?

 

[Aunty Jane]

I think you're right, but why do you suppose that the souls in Heaven don't miss their loved ones still on Earth?

Because our loved ones are not in heaven….they “sleep” in death until the resurrection……there is no one to miss. (John 5:28-29) When Jesus calls the dead out of their graves, it is back to live on earth.….just as Jesus raised Lazarus. (John 11:11-14)

 

[Taken]

I think you're right, but why do you suppose that the souls in Heaven don't miss their
loved ones still on Earth?

Same reason…sorrowful to miss another.
Similar reason..Constant turmoil in this world, which can easily lead to worry and despair.

For the souls in heaven, they are Joyful to be doing in heaven what is their new adventure while being in peace and comfort.

I guess, similar to one on Earth, rather that dwelling on “missing”…having a “joyful contentment to be reunited in the future”.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[NotTheRock]

Because our loved ones are not in heaven….they “sleep” in death until the resurrection……there is no one to miss. (John 5:28-29) When Jesus calls the dead out of their graves, it is back to live on earth.….just as Jesus raised Lazarus. (John 11:11-14)

I appreciate your feedback, but Jesus said that believers never die, which is what "death sleep" is, essentially. I believe that Christians immediately go to Heaven.

 

[Rockerduck]

Because our loved ones are not in heaven….they “sleep” in death until the resurrection……there is no one to miss. (John 5:28-29) When Jesus calls the dead out of their graves, it is back to live on earth.….just as Jesus raised Lazarus. (John 11:11-14)

Nope. Jesus died on the Cross and set captivity free. God opened my eyes to see the invisible world Jesus created and I saw angels around me.

Hebrews 1:14 -NLT- Therefore, angels are only servants—spirits sent to care for people who will inherit salvation.
The Holy Spirit told me that these angels will bring you into the presence of Christ when you die.

 

[NotTheRock]

The Holy Spirit told me that these angels will bring you into the presence of Christ when you die.

Have you written a detailed account of your experiences?

 

[Rockerduck]

Have you written a detailed account of your experiences?

70 pages and counting.

 

[Aunty Jane]

I appreciate your feedback, but Jesus said that believers never die, which is what "death sleep" is, essentially. I believe that Christians immediately go to Heaven.

Why call it “sleep” if they are awake and conscious somewhere else? Did Jesus really say that “believers never die”? Where is that written?

Did Jesus believe and teach about immortal souls that immediately leave the body at death? Jesus was Jewish and taught only from the Hebrew Scriptures. The Jews had no such belief from their Scripture. The idea of immortal souls came from pagan Greek ideas which were adopted and incorporated into both Jewish and Christian beliefs in later periods, because it perpetuates the first lie that the devil told Eve….“You surely will not die”…..but God told Adam the exact opposite.

There is no immortal soul, and therefore nothing to separate from the body to go anywhere except “back to the dust” as Adam was told.
Resurrection is what the Bible teaches….and it is a restoration of life….not a continuation of it somewhere else. The only ones promised heaven, were those chosen by God to rule as “kings and priests” with Christ, (Rev 20:6) bringing the human race back into reconciliation with God…..a relationship they lost in Eden.

Earth was never presented as a ‘training ground for heaven’…..millions of angels were created to live in the spirit realm…..a place where the “invisible God” resides, (Col 1:15) and they were given spirit bodies in order to exist in the presence of the Creator….mere mortals would perish in such an environment. (Ex 33:20)

God’s material creation is another realm entirely, composed of matter, and brought into existence by the power of the Almighty. His firstborn son was at his side as his “master workman” (Prov 8:30-31) fashioning all things to his Father’s specifications. Creation is perfect and without defect, which means that humans were also created perfect, but with one particular quality that among others, made them “in God’s image”….they were given free will….a precious gift when exercised in obedience, but which became a curse in disobedience.

The truth is, mortal human life was meant to be everlasting, as God placed in the garden, “the tree of life”, which would give mortals the ability to live forever on this earth, to take care of God’s creation and to enjoy all the good things that God had made for them. (Gen 3:22-24) If only they had remained obedient, no human would ever have died and no evil thing would even have been known or experienced by them…..do we appreciate what they lost for the human race with that one act of disobedience? Do we appreciate what Christ endured to get it back for us?

There never was a “heaven or hell” scenario in the Bible for God’s people…..there was only “life or death”. (Deut 30:19) Anything else is from the ruler of this world. (1 John 5:19) If you believe his first lie, then he’s got you too….and you will accept his other lies as well.

Our loved ones are “asleep”, peaceful in an unconscious condition, as @Nancy explained very precisely in her reply to you. (Post #2) That is the Bible’s teaching, not the teachings of an apostate church, which is promoting what the Bible never has. These false teachings rely on the work of men in translation and interpretation, which if they become mistranslation and misinterpretation, take “believers” down a completely different path, (Matt 7:13-14) leading to a completely different outcome to the one expected. (Matt 7:21-23)

 

[Aunty Jane]

Nope. Jesus died on the Cross and set captivity free.

Can you cite the Scripture please…?

God opened my eyes to see the invisible world Jesus created and I saw angels around me.

You do realize that there are hundreds of thousands who claim to have had these experiences, many of them unfortunately in psychiatric institutions, and yet there is no proof that they were real, or that God was the one producing such an experience. That is not to deny the experience, but to question its source.

If they were all from God then they would all have the same experiences and speak only one truth….but we know that this is not the case. Is God the author of confusion?
We have a master deceiver who rules this world, (1 John 5:19) and it is in his best interests to mislead people to believe what is not true. Especially vulnerable are those who suffer with mental health issues.…or those who may have an over zealous or exaggerated view of their own place in God’s arrangement.

Hebrews 1:14 -NLT- Therefore, angels are only servants—spirits sent to care for people who will inherit salvation.

I have no doubt in the ability of angels to guide and direct Christ’s disciples, but in these last days, they do not interfere, nor are God’s servants today immune to the trials and tribulations of this life. All live and die in different circumstances, as Solomon said….
”I have seen something further under the sun, that the swift do not always win the race, nor do the mighty win the battle, nor do the wise always have the food, nor do the intelligent always have the riches, nor do those with knowledge always have success, because time and unexpected events overtake them all.” (Eccl 9:11)

The Holy Spirit told me that these angels will bring you into the presence of Christ when you die.

To claim that the Holy Spirit spoke to you, doesn’t make it true…..again, many claim experiences….but they do not prove anything. The deceiver can do these things too, taking over control of a vulnerable person’s mind. He masquerades as an “angel of light”…..so, are you above his ability to mislead you? Nowhere in the Bible does it say that “angels will bring you into the presence of Christ when you die.”

Going to heaven was never in God’s purpose for humankind…we are material beings, designed and created to live on a material earth forever…..there never was a “heaven or hell” scenario ever presented to mankind in the Bible…just “life or death”.…..two roads…one leading to life for the obedient ones…and one leading to destruction of the incorrigibly disobedient ones. (Matt 7:13-14) It’s really that simple…not mystical or difficult to understand, nor does it require miraculous things to prove its authenticity….Jesus said we would know his true disciples by the kind of people they showed themselves to be, doing all in their power to be Christ-like in their thoughts and actions. This takes place in the real world, not in the mystery of the spirit realm, reserved only for Christ’s elect.

 

[NotTheRock]

70 pages and counting.

Can you share it?

 

[Rockerduck]

Can you share it?

Sure I can. But I have to battle some on this forum that do not believe in the gifts of the spirit. What little I post, gets push back.

 

[Rockerduck]

Can you cite the Scripture please…?

You do realize that there are hundreds of thousands who claim to have had these experiences, many of them unfortunately in psychiatric institutions, and yet there is no proof that they were real, or that God was the one producing such an experience. That is not to deny the experience, but to question its source.

If they were all from God then they would all have the same experiences and speak only one truth….but we know that this is not the case. Is God the author of confusion?
We have a master deceiver who rules this world, (1 John 5:19) and it is in his best interests to mislead people to believe what is not true. Especially vulnerable are those who suffer with mental health issues.…or those who may have an over zealous or exaggerated view of their own place in God’s arrangement.

I have no doubt in the ability of angels to guide and direct Christ’s disciples, but in these last days, they do not interfere, nor are God’s servants today immune to the trials and tribulations of this life. All live and die in different circumstances, as Solomon said….
”I have seen something further under the sun, that the swift do not always win the race, nor do the mighty win the battle, nor do the wise always have the food, nor do the intelligent always have the riches, nor do those with knowledge always have success, because time and unexpected events overtake them all.” (Eccl 9:11)

To claim that the Holy Spirit spoke to you, doesn’t make it true…..again, many claim experiences….but they do not prove anything. The deceiver can do these things too, taking over control of a vulnerable person’s mind. He masquerades as an “angel of light”…..so, are you above his ability to mislead you? Nowhere in the Bible does it say that “angels will bring you into the presence of Christ when you die.”

Going to heaven was never in God’s purpose for humankind…we are material beings, designed and created to live on a material earth forever…..there never was a “heaven or hell” scenario ever presented to mankind in the Bible…just “life or death”.…..two roads…one leading to life for the obedient ones…and one leading to destruction of the incorrigibly disobedient ones. (Matt 7:13-14) It’s really that simple…not mystical or difficult to understand, nor does it require miraculous things to prove its authenticity….Jesus said we would know his true disciples by the kind of people they showed themselves to be, doing all in their power to be Christ-like in their thoughts and actions. This takes place in the real world, not in the mystery of the spirit realm, reserved only for Christ’s elect.

I don't try to convince anyone of the gifts of the spirit. I will say what Jesus says or the Holy Spirit says. Your battle of unbelief is not with me. Just know, you are like many I've encountered, if you have not heard the Holy Spirit speak to you, you do not believe anyone hears the Holy Spirit.

Captives Free
Luke 4:18 - NLT
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
for he has anointed me to bring Good News to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim that captives will be released,
that the blind will see,
that the oppressed will be set free,

 

[Aunty Jane]

I don't try to convince anyone of the gifts of the spirit.

Paul said that the gifts of the spirit must cease, because to rely on such things would be to remain a spiritual infant.
He said….1 Cor 13:8-13….
”But if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away with; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away with. 9 For we have partial knowledge and we prophesy partially, 10 but when what is complete comes, what is partial will be done away with. 11 When I was a child, I used to speak as a child, to think as a child, to reason as a child; but now that I have become a man, I have done away with the traits of a child. . . 13 Now, however, these three remain: faith, hope, love; but the greatest of these is love.”

Not the gifts of the spirit, but the mature traits that God’s spirit produces in his human servants were to identify them. The gifts had served their purpose, and those who rely on them today are unacquainted with the word of God and are spiritual children, not mature adults.

What was to identify genuine Christians? The qualities of “faith hope and love” which would be evident in their conduct, beliefs and practices. Not only that, but particularly “love” had to be evident in the congregation, in the way Christians treated one another…(John 13:34-35) and in the way they loved their God and observed all that his son taught us.

I will say what Jesus says or the Holy Spirit says. Your battle of unbelief is not with me.

My “unbelief” is not in God or in his Christ, but in personal experiences such as you have related…..all of which could well be the devil in disguise, and having a lend of your child-like innocence and lack of Bible understanding. The gifts were to cease for this very reason…if God and the devil were competing, how would anyone know the difference? But if God withdrew the gifts, then all manifestations of them from that time onward, would only have one source, no matter how wonderful they appeared to be. Ignorance is the devil’s playground. The gifts died with the apostles who alone had the ability to pass them on.

Just know, you are like many I've encountered, if you have not heard the Holy Spirit speak to you, you do not believe anyone hears the Holy Spirit.

I know that the Bible does not teach such things, and any who believe those things are easily misled.
The Holy Spirit is at work, no doubt about that, but not in the way you describe.

Captives Free
Luke 4:18 - NLT
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
for he has anointed me to bring Good News to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim that captives will be released,
that the blind will see,
that the oppressed will be set free,

This is Jesus speaking….so we know that God’s spirit was indeed upon him….but what “captives” was he sent to release? Who held these ones captive? (Rom 6:16)

What kind of blindness was he sent to heal? Only the physical kind? (2 Cor 4:3-4)

What ‘oppression’ was he speaking about?
We know Jesus said that ‘the truth will set us free’…..but free from what?
A surface knowledge of the Scriptures will never answer those questions.

Let me just say that I do not mean to disparage you for your beliefs, or to doubt your experiences, or your sincerity…..but to alert you to the source of those experiences that may not be from God at all, but from a seasoned deceiver who knows what works in taking people away from God and onto a path that seems to be going in the right direction, but is ultimately, a dead end. (Matt 7:13-14; 21-23)

 

[Rockerduck]

Paul said that the gifts of the spirit must cease, because to rely on such things would be to remain a spiritual infant.
He said….1 Cor 13:8-13….
”But if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away with; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away with. 9 For we have partial knowledge and we prophesy partially, 10 but when what is complete comes, what is partial will be done away with. 11 When I was a child, I used to speak as a child, to think as a child, to reason as a child; but now that I have become a man, I have done away with the traits of a child. . . 13 Now, however, these three remain: faith, hope, love; but the greatest of these is love.”

Not the gifts of the spirit, but the mature traits that God’s spirit produces in his human servants were to identify them. The gifts had served their purpose, and those who rely on them today are unacquainted with the word of God and are spiritual children, not mature adults.

What was to identify genuine Christians? The qualities of “faith hope and love” which would be evident in their conduct, beliefs and practices. Not only that, but particularly “love” had to be evident in the congregation, in the way Christians treated one another…(John 13:34-35) and in the way they loved their God and observed all that his son taught us.

My “unbelief” is not in God or in his Christ, but in personal experiences such as you have related…..all of which could well be the devil in disguise, and having a lend of your child-like innocence and lack of Bible understanding. The gifts were to cease for this very reason…if God and the devil were competing, how would anyone know the difference? But if God withdrew the gifts, then all manifestations of them from that time onward, would only have one source, no matter how wonderful they appeared to be. Ignorance is the devil’s playground. The gifts died with the apostles who alone had the ability to pass them on.

I know that the Bible does not teach such things, and any who believe those things are easily misled.
The Holy Spirit is at work, no doubt about that, but not in the way you describe.

This is Jesus speaking….so we know that God’s spirit was indeed upon him….but what “captives” was he sent to release? Who held these ones captive? (Rom 6:16)

What kind of blindness was he sent to heal? Only the physical kind? (2 Cor 4:3-4)

What ‘oppression’ was he speaking about?
We know Jesus said that ‘the truth will set us free’…..but free from what?
A surface knowledge of the Scriptures will never answer those questions.

Let me just say that I do not mean to disparage you for your beliefs, or to doubt your experiences, or your sincerity…..but to alert you to the source of those experiences that may not be from God at all, but from a seasoned deceiver who knows what works in taking people away from God and onto a path that seems to be going in the right direction, but is ultimately, a dead end. (Matt 7:13-14; 21-23)

The gifts of the Spirit have never ceased. I like your kind words, but you are conversing with someone who has wrestled with old Satan himself. He could never mislead me; Satan has no truth in Him. I know Jesus and have seen and talked with Him.

 

[Brakelite]

I appreciate your feedback, but Jesus said that believers never die, which is what "death sleep" is, essentially. I believe that Christians immediately go to Heaven.

But when???!!!?? That's the question. The Bible gives us the only true answer. The time when we are taken to heaven... the time we receive immortality... right now, you are being tested. Your faithfulness and loyalty isn't yet sure. That is something Paul told us to make sure of. You can know now of your true destiny, but tomorrow? You may fall, be deceived, so we cannot afford to be arrogant or complacent. All is by grace, but we will Amasia have a choice to walk in that grace or not.
We go to heaven at the resurrection. We receive immortality... our new bodies... at the second coming.

 

[Brakelite]

The gifts of the Spirit have never ceased. I like your kind words, but you are conversing with someone who has wrestled with old Satan himself. He could never mislead me; Satan has no truth in Him. I know Jesus and have seen and talked with Him.

Then this Jesus you spoke with contradicted His own scriptures?

 

[TheHC]

The Holy Spirit told me that these angels will bring you into the presence of Christ when you die.

Later, yes, when they are resurrected.
But immediately after death? No….

Paul said @ 1 Corinthians 15:6…

“After that [Jesus] appeared to more than 500 brothers at one time, most of whom are still with us, though some have fallen asleep in death.”

These ones, present at Jesus’ appearance before Jesus was taken to Heaven, had died by the time Paul wrote this, and he said they were ‘sleeping in death’.

They hadn’t gone anywhere.

And Paul further stated 1 Thessalonians 4:13…
“Moreover, brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who are sleeping in death, so that you may not sorrow as the rest do who have no hope. 14 For if we have faith that Jesus died and rose again, so too God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep in death through Jesus. 15 For this is what we tell you by the LORD’s word, that we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord will in no way precede those who have fallen asleep in death; 16 because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. 17 Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord.”

Notice the present tense, the future tense, and the present perfect tense, used.

These ones who are “in union with Christ” would stay dead until “the presence / coming of the Lord.”

Were you aware the Bible indicates there are TWO resurrections?
The one we’re discussing here, is the first.

Take care.

 

[CC7799]

There is a debate as to whether or not a simple punctuation mistake in that verse:
This thread is written by a different person which I had cited/quoted.

I'm not sure how I stand one way or another but it is interesting.

Luke 23: 43​

"And Jesus replied, “I assure you, today you will be with me in paradise.” (All bold is mine)


And Jesus replied, " I assure you today, you will be with me in paradise"

I believe Jesus said, God is the God of the living and not the Dead, gospel of Matthew.

Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Lazarus, and the saints are in paradise.


Luke chapter 16.

We know about the two sides of the Gulf.

Romans chapter 8 tells us about predestination.
Romans chapter 9 tells us about vessels for destruction.

Saints are the election. They are predestined and chosen before foundation of the world. Ephesians chapter 6 and Romans chapter 8.

Reprobates I believe are vessels for destruction, Romans chapter 9.

Thier are those who have free will, some will find eternal life. They we're spiritually dead, and not reprobates.

I love you're honestly and tactician.

Spiritually dead is one group..
Reprobates different group.

Pesce.