Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[Wrangler]

But God doesn't wish to destroy me for my destructive sin. He wanted me to turn towards Him. Through Him, I went from a treacherous wife to a trusted one.

This is beautiful!!!

 

[Wrangler]

My husband insists on a lot of decisions being completely delegated to me.

That’s my view as well.

For instance, in a few minutes we are taking our grandson out for dinner to celebrate his birthday. She came up with the idea, communicated and set it up.

 

[MA2444]

I used to talk about advanced submissiveness with the example being him knocking a bowl of skittles to the floor just to be mean and him demanding I clean them up. I said, biblically, Im still called to obey despite how rotten that would be.

But I kept using that example so now he jokes that he needs to buy a bunch of skittles to test me. He hasn't bought them but if he ever did that, Id probably come up with a pretty good prank afterward.

The joke though, is that people fear the worst when bringing up headship and submission. But a lot of men are not these evil cartoon characters. A lot of men feel positive pressure to level up when their wives choose to be more respectful.

You're exactly right. When you stop being better you stop being good, so when she acted like a good wife, it did make me want to match her. And I pranked good too1 But then I had to 'walk right into' her prank so she could get me back. That gave her a thrill. We never had a problem with headship because I had confidence in her, and she did a good job in her role as wife & mother. Until she turned against me, lol. The grass started looking greener to her on the other side of the fence, in Florida! Huh? Bye?

 

[Wrangler]

Feminism undermones trust from the word 'go'.

I wonder if @Mink57 will blame men for the failure of feminism? What are the odds; a million to 1? A trillion to 1?

 

[Wynona]

I do believe there's a limit to being submissive IF there's abuse involved.
IMHO, what you posted sounds like abuse from the husband....

I do agree that there are limits to submission. Submitting to a really clearly sinful request like opening the marriage does not fall under "as is fit in the Lord", for example.

But the act of picking up the skittles wouldn't ultimately harm me. It would be emotionally hurtful if a husband treated his wife that way. He is definitely in the wrong. 1 Peter 3 says his prayers are hindered for not living with his wife in am understanding way.

But the bottom line is, the Holy Spirit may prompt me to humbly pick up the skittles to demonstrate the grace of God, especially if the husband is not a believer, so he could be won to Christ. I have never witnessed anyone able to respond graciously to being mistreated who was not a mature Christian. It could, in many cases, be a powerful witness.

 

[GodsGrace]

There can be no doubt about that now. Nietsche spoke theoretically in the 19th century. In the 21st century, we have the benefit of at least half a century of data.

Given equal opportunity, women generally choose careers in VECEN but men chose STEM.

A review of the literature shows an obsession to get more women into relatively high paying STEM jobs but nothing to get men into low paying careers that women dominate in such as vanity like cosmetics, hair, nails, early childhood education and nursing.

There is even a movement to reclassify nursing as STEM to make it seem like some victory has been achieved. Once again, reality refutes feminist ideology. The victimology was that sexism forced women into these careers stereotypically dominated by women. Facts prove otherwise.

Jordan Peterson has many vids explaining why. Spoiler Alert: Men and women are different and make different choices, given the same opportunities. He points out the stupidity of promoting women in STEM, pushing them to go into fields they are simply far less interested in.

If you believe women should have freedom of choice, feminists must respect the choices they make and not demand equality of outcomes just to satisfy a flawed and evil ideology.

It’s not about intelligence or education but happiness. At the margin, men tend to be interested in THING, like STEM and women interested in PEOPLE, like the care professions of VECEN.

What is STEM and VECEN?

 

[GodsGrace]

I do agree that there are limits to submission. Submitting to a really clearly sinful request like opening the marriage does not fall under "as is fit in the Lord", for example.

But the act of picking up the skittles wouldn't ultimately harm me. It would be emotionally hurtful if a husband treated his wife that way. He is definitely in the wrong. 1 Peter 3 says his prayers are hindered for not living with his wife in am understanding way.

But the bottom line is, the Holy Spirit may prompt me to humbly pick up the skittles to demonstrate the grace of God, especially if the husband is not a believer, so he could be won to Christ. I have never witnessed anyone able to respond graciously to being mistreated who was not a mature Christian. It could, in many cases, be a powerful witness.

I agree with your initial posts Wynona, and then lost track of this thread.

Also, I agree with you that women should be keeping the home and raising a family and men should be out there earning to supply the financial necessities.

God planned everything right in the Garden,,,but the sin set in.
Woman was supposed to be a helper to a loving husband,,,but then sin set in.

So today men and women have to make the best of a world gone mad.
Don't know the % but some guys don't even want serious relationships anymore.
Women have created a world for themselves that is not sustainable.
I dread to think where all this will end up...
Women don't want families or children,
men don't want marriage,
looks like we're headed for distinction unless some dystopian solution could be found.
And it would be dystopian...

So, IF the husband threw the skittles on the floor specifically to be mean, as your post stated, and asked his wife to pick them up,
I'd tell him to pick them up himself.
Why?
Because respect is 50% of the deal, and that husband does not respect his wife.

If you wanted to try it one time as a witness, it might be worth the try.
But the 2nd time?
This type of person doesn't care too much about what you'd witness.

And, BTW, I remembered what skittles are!
Used to eat them at "the movies".
Boy, that was long ago.
Been away too long.

 

[Wynona]

I agree with your initial posts Wynona, and then lost track of this thread.

Also, I agree with you that women should be keeping the home and raising a family and men should be out there earning to supply the financial necessities.

God planned everything right in the Garden,,,but the sin set in.
Woman was supposed to be a helper to a loving husband,,,but then sin set in.

So today men and women have to make the best of a world gone mad.
Don't know the % but some guys don't even want serious relationships anymore.
Women have created a world for themselves that is not sustainable.
I dread to think where all this will end up...
Women don't want families or children,
men don't want marriage,
looks like we're headed for distinction unless some dystopian solution could be found.
And it would be dystopian...

So, IF the husband threw the skittles on the floor specifically to be mean, as your post stated, and asked his wife to pick them up,
I'd tell him to pick them up himself.
Why?
Because respect is 50% of the deal, and that husband does not respect his wife.

If you wanted to try it one time as a witness, it might be worth the try.
But the 2nd time?
This type of person doesn't care too much about what you'd witness.

And, BTW, I remembered what skittles are!
Used to eat them at "the movies".
Boy, that was long ago.
Been away too long.

Thanks for joining the discussion! You make some good points!

My generation, Gen Z, has largely given up on marriage as a goal. Although the men are actually becoming more traditional than most of the women. I'm just young enough to be Gen Z at 29.

I am the only woman I know in real life who insisted on desiring marriage young, saving sex for marriage, and wanting a proactive male leader in a husband.

I got a lot of other things wrong in the beginning, like not being fully invested and putting college and career ahead of the marriage. But I never regretted those initial things, no matter how many of my peers looked at me funny.

 

[Wynona]

And, BTW, I remembered what skittles are!
Used to eat them at "the movies".
Boy, that was long ago.
Been away too long.

Lol. You're not missing out too much. I hear there's better quality food to be found in Italy.

 

[Waiting on him]

Thanks for joining the discussion! You make some good points!

My generation, Gen Z, has largely given up on marriage as a goal. Although the men are actually becoming more traditional than most of the women. I'm just young enough to be Gen Z at 29.

I am the only woman I know in real life who insisted on desiring marriage young, saving sex for marriage, and wanting a proactive male leader in a husband.

I got a lot of other things wrong in the beginning, like not being fully invested and putting college and career ahead of the marriage. But I never regretted those initial things, no matter how many of my peers looked at me funny.

Do you and your husband consider yourselves to be the bride of Christ?

 

[Wynona]

Do you and your husband consider yourselves to be the bride of Christ?

Yes.

 

[Waiting on him]

Yes.

Not trying to be disrespectful, just trying to understand your theology.

How can your husband being a male, be a bride?

 

[Wynona]

Not trying to be disrespectful, just trying to understand your theology.

How can your husband being a male, be a bride?

It's in the Spirit. How can I, being a wife, be a son of God and joint heir with Christ?

Marriage symbolizes a spiritual reality that's greater. Fidelity and faithfulness to one spouse for life. We are all Sons of God and the Bride of Christ. In heaven, there is no marriage. We will all be 'married' and unified with the Bridegroom, Jesus.

However, the commands for how we ought to live presently and operate in marriage are to represent this based on whether we are male or female. Just because my husband is the Bride of Christ does not mean he is my bride. Im his bride. And in my femininity, I am to play the role the of the Church to Christ.

The Church reverences, submits to, is faithful to, is forgiven by, cherished, and honored by Christ.

Christ leads, exhorts, sacrifices His own body, sanctifies, and cherishes His Bride, His body the Church.

When a wife submits herself to her own husband, it protects the reputation of God's Word (Titus 2:5) and points to the unity that Jesus will one day have with the Church.

 

[Wynona]

 

[Wynona]

 

[Wynona]

 

[Waiting on him]

It's in the Spirit. How can I, being a wife, be a son of God and joint heir with Christ?

Okay, when did you go from bride to son?

Marriage symbolizes a spiritual reality that's greater. Fidelity and faithfulness to one spouse for life. We are all Sons of God and the Bride of Christ. In heaven, there is no marriage. We will all be 'married' and unified with the Bridegroom, Jesus.

Here again bride, then son. Are you the bride or a son?

So there is no marriage in heaven yet there is a wedding supper.. who got married?

However, the commands for how we ought to live presently and operate in marriage are to represent

this based on whether we are male or female. Just because my husband is the Bride of Christ does not mean he is my bride. Im his bride. And in my femininity, I am to play the role the of the Church to Christ.

Paul said that they were the children of God. I don’t follow how the children can be the bride?

The Church reverences, submits to, is faithful to, is forgiven by, cherished, and honored by Christ.

Christ leads, exhorts, sacrifices His own body, sanctifies, and cherishes His Bride, His body the Church.

So is the church his body or his bride?

When a wife submits herself to her own husband, it protects the reputation of God's Word (Titus 2:5) and points to the unity that Jesus will one day have with the Church.

So is there no unity now?

 

[Wynona]

So is the church his body or his bride?

Both.

So is there no unity now?

The unity we have in Christ now is lesser than what we will experience when Jesus is revealed in all His glory and we the saints receive Him as the Bridegroom in the New Heavens and the New Earth aka New Jeruseleum.

 

[Waiting on him]

Both.

The unity we have in Christ now is lesser than what we will experience when Jesus is revealed in all His glory and we the saints receive Him as the Bridegroom in the New Heavens and the New Earth aka New Jeruseleum.

And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife. And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
— Revelation 21:9-10

Says here that new Jerusalem is his wife. She’s in heaven descending?

 

[Wynona]

So there is no marriage in heaven yet there is a wedding supper.. who got married?

To clarify, there's no marriage in heaven as we know it on earth. Only the marriage of Christ to the Church.