Trump reveals his plan to repeal Biden's gender ideology, sex changes for children

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I bet even you are smart enough to spend some thinking about how you think I’ll answer. I’ll give you a clue. I don’t believe in hell or that being gay is a sin.
Jesus clearly warned us of Hell Fire. Your problem is with Jesus, not me.
Listen…. I already know the clobber verses you are going send. I already know what you believe and why. I’m not going to argue this topic either. When time is available it will be one of the dozens of posts I’ll make.
Hell will be filled with those who don't believe in Hell! Why do you profess to be Christian when you clearly reject the Bible?
 

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Jesus clearly warned us of Hell Fire. Your problem is with Jesus, not me.

Hell will be filled with those who don't believe in Hell! Why do you profess to be Christian when you clearly reject the Bible?
I’ll be completely honest. It’s just because I know it better than you. I grew up in Alabama with conservative Christianity dominating the scene. I used to be stupid, hateful and did not understand the Bible either. But as I got older I begin to realize the hatred and monstrous god I see being preached by the yellow hammer hell fire preachers just did not make a lot of sense. So I begin to read the Bible for myself and noticing more and more. Started getting commentaries. When I was 17 I read the entire Bible twice in a year and about 4 different commentaries on the epistles. They cited various authors and books. I begin to skim the public library for books. At 18 I joined the army and begin to bounce around USA and came across other cultures in America.

While in I finished my degree in biology and begin to look at the debate on science and faith and found that many scientists were Christians and they rejected young earth creationism. So I begin to get books by biblical scholars around the world. Started emailing biblical scholars and getting access to hundreds of high quality papers. Then felt free to finally deep dive even more onto evolutionary ecology. Begin looking at people like Francis Collins a Christian who is also a world known geneticist who lead the human genome project. That lead to Biologos and Peaceful Science. Which lead to even more biblical scholars and scientists.

As I learned about sexual orientation and gender from both sociopolitical and scientific perspectives it made me want to dive deeper into issues like the LGBT and how they intersect with faiths like Christianity. This lead to works by affirming (allies) and part of the community scholars. This lead me to the debates among translations of words and to things like the Jewish Talmuds, Midrashes and Christian works that were by those familiar with ancient near eastern and Hellenistic worldviews.

As God continued to guide me by the Holy Spirit away from hateful toxic forms of Christianity and evil backwards political views I found my self growing closer to Jesus within liberal Christianity. Now I’m convicted by God to carry out this great commission of preaching the gospel of love and justice to those stuck in the darkness of their own hatred.
 

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I’ll be completely honest. It’s just because I know it better than you. I grew up in Alabama with conservative Christianity dominating the scene. I used to be stupid, hateful and did not understand the Bible either. But as I got older I begin to realize the hatred and monstrous god I see being preached by the yellow hammer hell fire preachers just did not make a lot of sense. So I begin to read the Bible for myself and noticing more and more. Started getting commentaries. When I was 17 I read the entire Bible twice in a year and about 4 different commentaries on the epistles. They cited various authors and books. I begin to skim the public library for books. At 18 I joined the army and begin to bounce around USA and came across other cultures in America.

While in I finished my degree in biology and begin to look at the debate on science and faith and found that many scientists were Christians and they rejected young earth creationism. So I begin to get books by biblical scholars around the world. Started emailing biblical scholars and getting access to hundreds of high quality papers. Then felt free to finally deep dive even more onto evolutionary ecology. Begin looking at people like Francis Collins a Christian who is also a world known geneticist who lead the human genome project. That lead to Biologos and Peaceful Science. Which lead to even more biblical scholars and scientists.

As I learned about sexual orientation and gender from both sociopolitical and scientific perspectives it made me want to dive deeper into issues like the LGBT and how they intersect with faiths like Christianity. This lead to works by affirming (allies) and part of the community scholars. This lead me to the debates among translations of words and to things like the Jewish Talmuds, Midrashes and Christian works that were by those familiar with ancient near eastern and Hellenistic worldviews.

As God continued to guide me by the Holy Spirit away from hateful toxic forms of Christianity and evil backwards political views I found my self growing closer to Jesus within liberal Christianity. Now I’m convicted by God to carry out this great commission of preaching the gospel of love and justice to those stuck in the darkness of their own hatred.
God guided you away from the Bible? LOL! That's exactly what Satan does! Why do you profess to be Christian??? Satan has you CONFUSED!
 

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Personal liberty to do what a minor wants?
I'm all for it.
I think a minor should begin drinking at an early age so it could be easier for him once he starts bar-hopping.
Cigarette smoking is about the same.....I tried when I was 10 and, boy, was it horrible.
So yeah...starting at age 10 sounds good....the young body will be ready for the 2 packs-a-day by the age of 18.

I think taking hormone blockers is good too.
It's a great method of birth control...
Actually, it's the best since those taking hormone blockers won't ever be able to have children!

Having a girl's breasts cut off isn't so bad either.
This way, by the time she's about 20 let's say, she'll be used to seeing herself in the mirror with no breasts....
'cause it must take quite some time to get used to see yourself missing a part of you....like even an arm, like, for instance.

And minors want to have sex way before their brain is ready for the consequences.
MIght be good to start at a really young age....say 8 to 10 maybe.
This way their brain could keep up with their body ... at least those bodies that aren't taking hormone blockers.
They'll have to figure out something different.

So, yeah, 8-10. No problem. If the girl gets pregnant at, let's say 11, she could always have an abortion.
And she'll be on the pill, probably, so with any good luck, she'll be sterile by the age of 20 or 30 when she just might want to have a child.
Too bad....minors are allowed to do what they want to do.
If they don't understand the consequences....that's their hard luck.

I could think of some more stuff but it's dinner time over here.
But I didn't feel like cooking this evening....so I'm not sure what we'll have to eat.

Yeah. Why should only the young get to do whatever they want to do?
Do whatever they want to do? No. As a Christian I don’t support parents allowing their kids to drink. It’s against the laws of the land. It’s also known to not be healthy.

I do support that families who have trans kid having the right to use hormone blockers to stop the effects of puberty. They can use cross gender care later. I support teens having the right to doing top surgery if that’s what they want. But you’ll notice that most parents, trans kids and doctors don’t really begin significant bodywork until 16+.
But yes, if a girl thinks she’s trans, goes through the work, and then changes her mind sometime later she will have to deal with those consequences. However, those consequences don’t equal taking away the rights of the 99% that follow through and still are happy 30 years later. As science improves, we will have less risky less consequential methods.

Obviously most of what you’re saying is meant to be snarky. I will say I agree with about 75% of it.
 

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Also, though you may not care, most teens and women who go through transitional stages of surgeries and hormones also has eggs taken and stored if they want to use them later, regardless if they regret the process or not. Many trans women still have the option later to use those eggs and has a kid.
 

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Also, though you may not care, most teens and women who go through transitional stages of surgeries and hormones also has eggs taken and stored if they want to use them later, regardless if they regret the process or not. Many trans women still have the option later to use those eggs and has a kid.
You reject the Christian Bible and support the WOKE psychos. Why do you claim to be Christian?
 
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God guided you away from the Bible? LOL! That's exactly what Satan does! Why do you profess to be Christian??? Satan has you CONFUSED!
No. God guided me to understanding the Bible far better. I never left God, Jesus, the Bible or the body. I just left behind shallow hate filled conservative Christianity and its popular dogmas like young earth creationism, eternal conscious torment and so on. But I do and will continue to pray to god for you and others like you. I suggest starting with this verse.

John 14:15.
If you love me then keep my commandments.
 

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Do whatever they want to do? No. As a Christian I don’t support parents allowing their kids to drink. It’s against the laws of the land. It’s also known to not be healthy.

I do support that families who have trans kid having the right to use hormone blockers to stop the effects of puberty. They can use cross gender care later. I support teens having the right to doing top surgery if that’s what they want. But you’ll notice that most parents, trans kids and doctors don’t really begin significant bodywork until 16+.
But yes, if a girl thinks she’s trans, goes through the work, and then changes her mind sometime later she will have to deal with those consequences. However, those consequences don’t equal taking away the rights of the 99% that follow through and still are happy 30 years later. As science improves, we will have less risky less consequential methods.

Obviously most of what you’re saying is meant to be snarky. I will say I agree with about 75% of it.
WHAT?!
You don't support parents allowing their kids to drink!!!

What laws?
Who cares about laws?

I agree with you.
Kids should be allowed to do whatever they want to do.

And you say drinking is not healthy?
What difference does that make?

I say, WE ALL should just do whatever we want to do.
Seems like a good solution to all our problems.
 

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No. God guided me to understanding the Bible far better. I never left God, Jesus, the Bible or the body. I just left behind shallow hate filled conservative Christianity and its popular dogmas like young earth creationism, eternal conscious torment and so on. But I do and will continue to pray to god for you and others like you. I suggest starting with this verse.

John 14:15.
If you love me then keep my commandments.
Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
 
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No. God guided me to understanding the Bible far better. I never left God, Jesus, the Bible or the body. I just left behind shallow hate filled conservative Christianity and its popular dogmas like young earth creationism, eternal conscious torment and so on. But I do and will continue to pray to god for you and others like you. I suggest starting with this verse.

John 14:15.
If you love me then keep my commandments.
What ARE Jesus' commandments?

Do THEY state we should just do whatever we want to do?

Young earth creationism is not a dogma.
This was not even believed by the early church.
The early church just believed what the OT stated: IN THE BEGINNING...GOD CREATED.

Eternal consciousness is in the bible.
A person may not like the idea,,,,but it's there.

And because someone wants to believe the earth was formed in 6 literal days and it's only 6,000 years old...
does not make him into a bad person....

There's a lot worse ideas floating around in Christian circles these days.
 
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WHAT?!
You don't support parents allowing their kids to drink!!!

What laws?
Who cares about laws?

I agree with you.
Kids should be allowed to do whatever they want to do.

And you say drinking is not healthy?
What difference does that make?

I say, WE ALL should just do whatever we want to do.
Seems like a good solution to all our problems.
Do you think that maybe you are acting immature due to being highly triggered over a few out of many trans kids potentially being harmed by their choices? If you are worried about the few, are you concerned about the far many more who is harmed and ends their lives because of not being supported?

Also… can you show me where I said I don’t care about laws or health? Sometimes if we find ourselves being angry it’s good to just take break.
 

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What ARE Jesus' commandments?

Do THEY state we should just do whatever we want to do?

Young earth creationism is not a dogma.
This was not even believed by the early church.
The early church just believed what the OT stated: IN THE BEGINNING...GOD CREATED.

Eternal consciousness is in the bible.
A person may not like the idea,,,,but it's there.

And because someone wants to believe the earth was formed in 6 literal days and it's only 6,000 years old...
does not make him into a bad person....

There's a lot worse ideas floating around in Christian circles these days.
While I agree it’s not dogma, you’ll certainly see it being treated as such. Same as with ETC as an interpretation of hell versus conditional immortality or universalism. Both of why was around in the first century as well.
 

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Try 8,000 operations on minors. (statistics by Jordan Peterson)
AND gender dysphoria is no longer allowed as a diagnosis.
Things are sick and getting sicker....MAYBE this adm. will be able to put a halt to all this sickness.
And the left calls HIM Hitler.
Maybe they should remember what Hitler used to OK to have done to persons as experiments...
INCLUDING CHILDREN.
Out of those 8,000 how many do you think are having top or bottom surgery? Out of those having those surgeries how many do you think are younger than 16? Out of all of those kids what do you think is the amount that will regret their decisions and won’t to change back? Use Jordan’s stats by all means. But I would also look at like 12 other stats from a wide range of positions.
 

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Do you think that maybe you are acting immature due to being highly triggered over a few out of many trans kids potentially being harmed by their choices? If you are worried about the few, are you concerned about the far many more who is harmed and ends their lives because of not being supported?

Also… can you show me where I said I don’t care about laws or health? Sometimes if we find ourselves being angry it’s good to just take break.
I'm not angry S.
I don't tend to get angry on forums since I don't really know you and I don't even get angry with folk I know.

Yes. I think I'm being very immature.....
however, I still think young kids should do whatever they want to do just as you stated.

Who cares if they're harmed by their choices?
Why worry about them?
The whole lot.

Yeah. I tend to worry more about the girls that DON'T get their boobs chopped off instead of the ones that do.
Is this OK? I don't know....you're confusing me.

You stated that cigarette smoking is against the law for minors.

I say we remove all laws governing minors so that they could do whatever they want to do to be happy....
just as you've suggested.
 

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Out of those 8,000 how many do you think are having top or bottom surgery? Out of those having those surgeries how many do you think are younger than 16? Out of all of those kids what do you think is the amount that will regret their decisions and won’t to change back? Use Jordan’s stats by all means. But I would also look at like 12 other stats from a wide range of positions.
Wait.
Yeah. Let me go over the math really well.

Top
Bottom
Age

Very important topics they are.
It's those small DETAILS that count, isn't it?

At which number of operations would YOU say we're starting to go over the acceptable line?

For

Top
Bottom
Age

Is it 10?
100?
1000?
8000? (the current number).

Should we keep on going?
Till when?
 

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While I agree it’s not dogma, you’ll certainly see it being treated as such. Same as with ETC as an interpretation of hell versus conditional immortality or universalism. Both of why was around in the first century as well.
Oh.
And let me say that I do feel we should do as many surgeries as is humanly possible.
After all, these surgeries have never been done before except in some extreme cases for a medical condition that is present at birth.

So, yes, it'll take A LOT of practice before we get these surgeries down pat so we could practice them more and more and on people of all ages.
Even those that can't even vote yet, or smoke yet, or drink yet...but it's perfectly fine for them to change their sex.

Must not be easy to change a boy into a girl or a girl into a boy.
Gosh. Just thinking about it makes my skin crawl.
But that's OK....we'll all get used to it if the extreme crazy left has its way.

Thankfully, God put His great hands into the matter.

Or, as YOU might believe instead....unfortunately....for all those poor kids that haven't been butchered yet.
 

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While I agree it’s not dogma, you’ll certainly see it being treated as such. Same as with ETC as an interpretation of hell versus conditional immortality or universalism. Both of why was around in the first century as well.
Please post some writings that were around in the beginning that teach that ALL are going to be saved in the end...
or
Conditional immortality,,,,which I believe means that the good go to heaven and others become annihalated. (sorry I hate spelling that word).

I DO hope you understand that there were many heresies floating around in the first century...
so please post from the Apostles, the Apostolic Fathers, or those that learned from the Apostolic Fathers.

Thanks.
 

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Do you think that maybe you are acting immature due to being highly triggered over a few out of many trans kids potentially being harmed by their choices? If you are worried about the few, are you concerned about the far many more who is harmed and ends their lives because of not being supported?

Also… can you show me where I said I don’t care about laws or health? Sometimes if we find ourselves being angry it’s good to just take break.
You're taking a break.
You must be angry.
 

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While I agree it’s not dogma, you’ll certainly see it being treated as such. Same as with ETC as an interpretation of hell versus conditional immortality or universalism. Both of why was around in the first century as well.
Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
 

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I'm not angry S.
I don't tend to get angry on forums since I don't really know you and I don't even get angry with folk I know.

Yes. I think I'm being very immature.....
however, I still think young kids should do whatever they want to do just as you stated.

Who cares if they're harmed by their choices?
Why worry about them?
The whole lot.

Yeah. I tend to worry more about the girls that DON'T get their boobs chopped off instead of the ones that do.
Is this OK? I don't know....you're confusing me.

You stated that cigarette smoking is against the law for minors.

I say we remove all laws governing minors so that they could do whatever they want to do to be happy....
just as you've suggested.
Well I’m glad you’ve realized you’re being immature. That’s the first step to developing healthier ways of handling anger. We all get sick of people online. Many people who are very unhappy with their life often displace their anger online where it feels more controlled and safe.

I’m sure Trump is going to do a lot of things to reverse freedom and and environmental laws. He’s already overturned 150 environmental laws in his last service and has mentioned wanting to overturn several more, way more in this new election. Even wants to overturn many bird protection laws because they get in the way of contractors wanting to cut down a lot of land and don’t want to wait a few months. He’s very skeptical of the the endangered wildlife list. I’m sure he’s going to enforce restrictions on the LGBT, overturn things like was threatened before with same sex marriages and maybe even try to snatch kids from their adoptive parents who are gay. Time will tell. The spirit of Rome is very much in America. It will suck, but overall I’m not worried. I think in a few more generations, we will see liberalism at an all time high. This is the first election in a while where conservatives won the popular vote and it’s because so many did not vote. But some good news still arose. Alabama for example had many countries that doubled in democrat votes. Still a minority by far, but every decade it goes up noticeably. Things like Disney is highly influential on kids, even if you don’t let your kids watch it. Those kids are growing up being shown other worldviews. Social media is mostly liberal leaning with the exception of a few places like these forums. But in the grand scheme these forums are nothing in the ocean or social media.

Where I live we do a camp every year through some local churches. Right here in the dead center of Bible belt Alabama. It’s a Christian camp that is 6 weeks long, with the camp just lasting a few hours a day with weekends all day and night. This year over three times as many teens signed up. This camp focuses on creation care and affirming our marginalized brothers sisters in Christ. These liberal Christian camps did not even exist when I was a teen here. There are now several. At the high school I went to when I was a kid the liberal Christian club was like 4 kids. In 09 it randomly had 11 and the following year back to 6. Last five years it’s been at the dozens. I have faith in God and so I’m not worried about the harm Trump will cause. He may be evil, but he’s not as powerful as Hitler was and he’s not able to do things like gas and burn millions. He can just try to oppress more people.

If you think that laws don’t matter and that kids should be able to drink and whatever else. That’s your right to think that way. Just remember it’s illegal to give minors alcohol and it’s illegal and immoral to turn a blind eye to things like pedophilia. Erasing all laws and allowing teens to do whatever will just result in a bunch of kids being harmed. Allowing kids to talk with their parents, to talk with psychiatrists and surgeons about how to better manage their life is going to prevent far more harm than it allows. Just like it’s far more beneficial to allow gay kids to express themselves and support them dating other teens than it is to force them into conversion camps.

If you don’t feel like cooking for your family, assuming you have one, then that’s right to. More and more moms are going the fast food route which is why we have an obesity epidemic in America. Just don’t neglect your kids. So what’s best for them if you have any and if someone else is not breaking the law, maybe let them do what is best for their kids without being worried about it.