St. SteVen
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Well said.
The term "God-breathed" seems so limiting to inspiration.
On the other hand, I suppose translators wanted to take it to another level.
Above what we might deem human inspiration.
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The term "God-breathed" seems so limiting to inspiration.
On the other hand, I suppose translators wanted to take it to another level.
Above what we might deem human inspiration.
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Rockerduck
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The Holy Spirit gives the gift of different manifestations to all believers. Think of it. Singers, guitarists, keyboardists, preachers, teachers, evangelists, wood workers, sheetrock, etc. all the jobs that Christians do in Christ. God commissioned Luke to write a gospel, unlike the others, of a Man, Christ on earth. Matthew wrote of a King, Mark wrote of a servant, John wrote of the deity of Christ. In order, king = lion, servant = ox, Man, deity= eagle. We serve an Awesome God.
Ezekial 1:10 - As for the likeness of their faces, each had the face of a man; each of the four had the face of a lion on the right side, each of the four had the face of an ox on the left side, and each of the four had the face of an eagle.
Ezekial 1:10 - As for the likeness of their faces, each had the face of a man; each of the four had the face of a lion on the right side, each of the four had the face of an ox on the left side, and each of the four had the face of an eagle.
Luke the 'witnesser' to the Kingdom of GOD at hand is liken unto, is far more spiritual than average carnal historians.
Gospel according to Luke is compatible with the Gospel according to Matthew and Mark, either more or less with each other.
Even Mark, we're witnessing his appearance in the book of Acts in chapter 12, way after Jesus.
Apparently he's another spiritual witnesser like Luke, to have his witnessed Gospel account written down.
After Jesus, in the beginning the chosen disciple by Jesus and ordained Apostles, proclaimed and disciple the Gospel orally.
They were not inspired or breathed out by GOD through the Holy Ghost, to have them written down yet.
Later GOD through the Holy Ghost inspired or breathed out in Mark to have his witnessed Gospel account written down first.
Matthew and John firsthand eye witnesses and disciple by Jesus' Gospel and orally proclaimed accounts are the oldest and authentic.
Even though theirs were written down later compared the Mark's written down first.
Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth
Gospel according to Luke is compatible with the Gospel according to Matthew and Mark, either more or less with each other.
Even Mark, we're witnessing his appearance in the book of Acts in chapter 12, way after Jesus.
Apparently he's another spiritual witnesser like Luke, to have his witnessed Gospel account written down.
After Jesus, in the beginning the chosen disciple by Jesus and ordained Apostles, proclaimed and disciple the Gospel orally.
They were not inspired or breathed out by GOD through the Holy Ghost, to have them written down yet.
Later GOD through the Holy Ghost inspired or breathed out in Mark to have his witnessed Gospel account written down first.
Matthew and John firsthand eye witnesses and disciple by Jesus' Gospel and orally proclaimed accounts are the oldest and authentic.
Even though theirs were written down later compared the Mark's written down first.
Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth
Bob Estey
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All compiled scripture in the Holy Bible, including the Gospel according to Luke, are 'inspired' or 'breathed out' by GOD. (2Timothy3:16&17)
This is the 'truth', apart from this it's all lies to speculate and in speculation, of the unlearned and unstable.
Who 'twist' the teaching of Apostles and Prophets we're built on, and as well other scripture.
Love is also being 'vigilant', and 'exposing' heresy, so that the innocent reader shall not be deceived.
If you're truly born again and wise, you know where i am coming from, to 'sow' and not 'scatter' the 'good seed'.
Am not here to win an argument or debate, but to testify the 'sustained truth' given by our 'Author and finisher of our faith.
Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ
This is the 'truth', apart from this it's all lies to speculate and in speculation, of the unlearned and unstable.
Who 'twist' the teaching of Apostles and Prophets we're built on, and as well other scripture.
Love is also being 'vigilant', and 'exposing' heresy, so that the innocent reader shall not be deceived.
If you're truly born again and wise, you know where i am coming from, to 'sow' and not 'scatter' the 'good seed'.
Am not here to win an argument or debate, but to testify the 'sustained truth' given by our 'Author and finisher of our faith.
Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ
You know that Luke wasn't in existence yet when Paul wrote this to Timothy. Paul wasn't referencing future writings that, centuries later, would be compiled into the tome we now call "Scripture." He was referring to the OT. Go back a few verses and you will see this clearly:
14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, 15 and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
See it? Paul is talking about Holy Scriptures that Timothy has known since infancy. What are those? The OT.
Is the NT inspired as well? I think so. Does 2 Tim. 3:16-17 say so? Absolutely not!
Why don't you see the 'point', Paul actually refers to 'all scripture'.
Apparently, there is for now written down, cum there is to come and written down later.
All that will be eventually 'inspired' or 'breathed out' by GOD alone, whether now or later.
Then which was with the Jews like Timothy and are disciple likewise in.
Where similarly, at first Moses orally spoke, and then later 'inspired' or 'breathed out' by GOD to have them written down.
As well the Gospel at present for the Jews, which apparently is not written yet at the moment.
Since similarly, are orally proclaimed and made disciple of all nation at first.
Until later they were 'inspired' and 'breathed out' by GOD to be written down.
And reliable books were selected and compiled together, moved by the Holy Ghost.
Where in my time, Jesus' work through His 'instrument' Paul's same words 'all scripture' still 'resonates'.
As actually similarly referring to what GOD finish 'inspiring' or 'breathing out' and have left us with finally.
The 'HOLY BIBLE' without a doubt.
And conclude, do not 'limit' the HOLY ONE of Israel and HIS Word.
Which will not go 'void', but accomplishes what it is sent to do.
Still don't get the point?
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We both agree that the NT is inspired. We disagree on Paul's meaning. It's quite clear to me from reading the three verses together what he had in mind when he mentioned "all Scriptures." He didn't have the foggiest notion that, say, Hebrews or Second Peter or Jude or Revelation would be written, much less that centuries later a consensus would develop among Church leaders to include them in the canon. Whether that consensus was itself guided by the Holy Spirit (an interesting matter for speculation) is off-point. We are discussing PAUL's meaning.
Sometime the people of GOD prophesy unknowingly something that also predicts future event, like the Chief Priest about Jesus.
But in the case of Paul, a truly born again and chosen 'instrument' of Christ, he should be well aware what He prophesy, even 'all scripture'.
And his words today 'resonates' by 'spirit' with 'spirit', in 'faith' declare, the Holy Bible is in deed the finish compiled 'all scripture'.
Next, the 'church forefathers' were guided by the Holy Ghost to conduct the compilation, by the will of GOD through Christ.
Since 'martyrdom' is in the lives of all true saints, therefore their living testaments had to be written down at one time.
Before they all fade away, forgotten and buried, hence nothing left for the future church generation to witness on.
1 Corinthians 14:
33. For GOD is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Peace be with you in the name of Jesus Christ
I wish there were a way to verify this assumption. There isn't. It's pure conjecture that, for example, the Epistle of Jude made the cut and the Epistle of Barnabas didn't by the guidance of the Holy Spirit. We just don;t know that. I want to believe it just as much as you do, but that's not proof. That's speculation seasoned with a dash of wishful thinking.
Not saying that. Just pointing out that any view of "inspired" or "God-breathed" as being the functional equivalent of God telling the author what to write simply doesn't fly for Luke.
That's for you my friend, but according to the wisdom given me besides the summary pertaining in 'all scripture'.
It is for a fact again pertaining to 'faith', to what i testify is the 'truth', believe it or not, and may GOD forbid not.
Hebrews 11:
1. Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
John 20:
29. Jesus saith unto him, "Thomas, because thou hast seen Me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."
Shalom because of Lord Jesus Christ
Well, FJ, I just don't see it the way you do. Faith that the compilation itself was Spirit-driven is not proof that the compilation itself was Spirit-driven, any more than faith that there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe (which I happen to believe) is proof of that thesis. And your quote from John 20 is off-point. Jesus was saying that those who believe IN HIM without having seen him are blessed. The verse is not a carte blanche blessing on believers in any proposition whatsoever.
Fine. So why did Luke need to investigate anything? Surely the Word of God can be communicated without such investigation!
There is, the intelligent life you're referring to and believe are satan and his angels, since to you 'seeing' is 'believing'.
muhammad, muslim's false prophet himself also had the same encounter with such intelligent life and 'deceived'.
Yes, first half of the passage, that's what He said alone to Thomas personally.
The second half of passage He refers to the general mass, and generally speaking about 'seeing' and 'believing'.
For example, there those who seek 'signs' and 'wonders' in order to 'see' and 'believe', for instants the Jews.
And there are those who seek wise writings in order to 'see' and 'believe'. for instance the Greek.
For we want to 'see' changes in our lives in order for us to 'believe'.
We want to 'see' GOD do either this or that for our prosperity, in order for us to 'believe'.
2 Corinthians 5:
7. (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
Matthew 6:
33. But seek ye first the Kingdom of GOD, and HIS righteousness: and all these things shall be added unto you,
Am afraid you're in a different path from mine, that's why we're going back and forth, and end nowhere.
The second half is about others not seeing yet believing IN HIM. Nothing more. Certainly nothing here about belief in Spirit-driven compilation of the Bible.
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Wrangler
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You are taking the words far too literally "inspired" or "God-breathed" to mean virtually no human interface at all. We still have a role to play, required to seek, ask and find.
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