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It is the Holy Spirit living in us that wells up into eternal life. Not something about ourselves.
How the idea of Immortal Soul got into the Church
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Behold
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The way to understand the "immortality" of the Soul, is to simply qualify your Spirit Man, as eternal... because its true.
We know that being born again, is a spiritual birth........of our spirit.
However, this spirit, who is the real you.......which exists in your body.... is always eternal........but, until you are born again, you are not "in Christ"... "one with God"., and do not exist in the KOG.
The Bible teaches that there is a "2nd Death"... but that is not the end of your spirit's life.........or the end of you.
If you are reading this post and you have been deceived and taught that the Grave is the end of you, then you have been taught a LIE, as the Grave is only the beginning of your eternity with God or without Him.
So, what is "LIFE" in Christ. ???.......Its to be born again spiritually = rejoined to God and Christ who are "LIFE".........so, when you are not, you dont exist in "Eternal LIFE" that is God and Christ... and the bible refers to being separated from God and Christ as "death"...
So, each unbeliever, exists in "separated from God spiritually" = death......and to be rejoined to God, as born again Spiritually is to have eternal "LIFE."
See that?
So, every unbeliever, is in "death", but its possible for this to be rescued by the Life that is found "in Christ"........and if they or you are never are born again and die.........then they or you continue in this death for eternity, and the bible teaches that this is 2nd Death...= or the eternal continuation of the 1st death. (separated spiritually from God) and you can't go to heaven if that is you......But you will go to Hell.
This is why Jesus told everyone...........'" YOU Must be ........born... again"..
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There is no text anywhere in scripture that states mankind has ever inherited the sin of Adam.
What we have inherited is the punishment Adam received for his sin. It was the curse of death. Christ overcame death by His resurrection.
How can you miss such clear scriptures as Gen3:19, Rom 5:12, the curse, then the reversal found in Rom 5:18-19 or I Cor 15:21-22, and many others.
Behold
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New International Version
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—
New Living Translation
When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam’s sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned.
English Standard Version
Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—
Berean Standard Bible
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death was passed on to all men, because all sinned.
Berean Literal Bible
Because of this, just as sin entered into the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death passed to all men, because all sinned.
King James Bible
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
New King James Version
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—
New American Standard Bible
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all mankind, because all sinned—
NASB 1995
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—
NASB 1977
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—
Legacy Standard Bible
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—
Amplified Bible
Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, so death spread to all people [no one being able to stop it or escape its power], because they all sinned.
Christian Standard Bible
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, in this way death spread to all people, because all sinned.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, in this way death spread to all men, because all sinned.
American Standard Version
Therefore, as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin; and so death passed unto all men, for that all sinned:?
Contemporary English Version
Adam sinned, and that sin brought death into the world. Now everyone has sinned, and so everyone must die.
English Revised Version
Therefore, as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin; and so death passed unto all men, for that all sinned:--
It isn't the texts that are incorrect. It is your interpretation of them where you err. These verses DO NOT state man inherited the sin of Adam. It states that Adam sinned, and death came because of that sin. We became mortal. This mortality is what we inherited. We sin because we are mortal. We sin on our own choice.
This is precisely why Christ needed to become man, to assume our human nature so that by death, the human nature he took, could suffer death and be raised from that death, thus removing the curse given to Adam and giving all men immortality and incorruptibility.
This is the clear meaning of Rom 5: 18 and I Cor 15:21-22.
I will not be judged on Adam's sin, but only my own.
We can only get rid of this body of sin, by dying once physically so that this mortal body dies which is the reason we sin so easily. We will all be raised in the last day because Christ defeated death. I Cor 15:52-53. Paul repeats in the vs 56 the sequence between death and sin. The sting of death is sin, not the other way around as you seem to hold.
Just logically, we could not inherit sin. Sin is not a state of being. Sin is an act, a negative act against God's will. You would need to inherit each individual sin before you actually sinned. This idea might come from the fact that I also see a lot of individuals state that man has a sin nature. We don't have a sin nature; we have a mortal nature, which sins, thus makes us sinners.
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Runningman
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The immortality of the soul is a curious thing because it pre-supposes that eternal life is not conditional on the gospel. Why would one need the gospel if their soul is already immortal? I believe this doctrine undermines Christianity.
Behold
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The verses say that by one man's sin.........sin came to us all........we all became sinners..
See, the reason a person sins, is not because they sinned......its because they are a sinner, by nature.
This is the "adamic nature" that is the Devil's nature that is "human nature", subsequent to the fall of Adam... : that is the fall of us all.
Davy
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The blind Pharisees enjoyed 'straining at a gnat' like Jesus said. That's all you are doing regarding the sin of Adam that Apostle Paul said in Romans that ALL men have inherited.
soberxp
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God really Do the love our as himself,so he wants to give us the best. Made man in his own image.
Dan Clarkston
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God's Word says because of Adam and Eve sin can "upon" every person.... it does not actually say sin was put IN TO every person. Those that claim it does are reading into scripture something the Lord never said.
Rom 5:19
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Those claiming what Adam did made all people to be sinners... so WHY do they not believe verse 19 and apply the same logic which would lead them to believe all have been made righteous by Jesus' actions??? It does not fit their false religious, carnal minded agenda, that's why.
If they applied the same logic then they would have to now claim that all have been made righteous thru the actions of Jesus (some did and started following the false doctrines of universalism
)satan's trick is to get everyone to believe God put sin in ever newborn baby to get people to believe they are born sinners so they will continue living in sin (falsely claiming nobody can stop living in sin) which will result them them going to hell.
Even IF it were true... which it is not because God did not make every newborn baby a sinner.... once one is born again they are instructed to put on the New Man which is created in righteousness and true holiness as we see in Ephesians 4:24
Funny how the so called "reformers" FAILED to simply go back to what said in His Word... instead they were deceived by satan in to muddying the waters with the wisdom of men from the darkened mind of mankind with false religious teachings that are not from scripture.
Meaning all will have the opportunity to sin.... and all will have the opportunity to accept salvation thru Jesus Christ and get born again
Those claiming they are born sinners use that for cover to.... keep living in sin and thus rejecting the purpose of the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.
soberxp
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First, we must understand that Jesus is the very image of God (Colossians 1:15) and is omniscient and omnipotent. When Jesus walked on water, He told Peter, ‘You can do it too’ (Matthew 14:29). Scripture does not contradict itself; its message is entirely consistent. Therefore, when Jesus said to Peter, ‘You can,’ He fully understood the implications.
While I have come to understand this truth, I still cannot walk on water—perhaps due to insufficient faith, or perhaps because it’s unnecessary. But the reality is this: one day, we too will become like Him (1 John 3:2).
The Gospel of Matthew
14:28 And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water.
14:29 And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus.
14:30 But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me.
14:31 And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?
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I am starting to understand your point. But to be respectful to the intended topic of this thread, we should discuss in another thread.
I'm not sure just how your comments relate to my post.
However, just some comments: Scripture presupposes the immortality of the soul. No human being will receive an immortal existence, both body and soul until the Second Coming of Christ. I Cor 15: 53 - 54.
It is not dependent on the Gospel. It all depends on Christ's resurrection. Now, since all human beings have been given life, physical life, Rom 5:18. I Cor 15:21-22, and other texts, God is now able to call all men to repentance. Man will choose spiritual life or spiritual death of his own free will. There are many texts that bear this out.
If Christ did not overcome death for us, all the rest is null and void. Paul states this in I Cor 15:16-20
Correct. It depends on Christ's resurrection. Christ now can call all men to repentance. Man will decide by how own will if they will follow Christ or Satan. This would not have been possible if Christ first did not defeat death, the curse given to Adam for his sin.
Grailhunter
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Does the word immortal apply to existence after death? I believe immortal applies to living forever.
Eternal life applies to exitance after death as spirit.....In Heaven or Hell.
soberxp
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Ok.
How the idea of Immortal Soul got into the Church
Often, early believers arrived at their understanding through a process—sometimes involving many steps and years of reflection. But when they finally concluded, ‘This is how it is,’ they often skipped showing the steps and reasoning behind their conclusions, presenting only the final result.
This pattern applies to many theological developments, including the formulation of the doctrine of the Trinity."
Contrary. It says quite plainly "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and DEATH THROUGH THAT ONE SIN, and thus death spread to all men, because all men sinned through death. The following verses clarifies that explanation.
Man cannot have sin nature. Sin is not an element of nature. It is what we call an act that misses the mark of perfection that Christ demands. Man has a mortal nature, which causes him to sin.
Christ would not have been able to save if man had a sinful nature. Christ assumed our human nature, body, soul and will. He would have been born a sinner if you followed through with your view.
It is the curse of death, Gen 3:19, dust to dust shall we return. It is Christ who reversed it through the resurrection of His Human nature, the same nature we possess. It is the same reason creation was subjected to death because we are ll consubstantial with one another.
You say Romans, but just where does it say we inherited Adam's sin?
Runningman
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There's probably enough room to assign a theological definition to eternal life in a way that it doesn't necessarily refer to immortality.
However, the text book definition of eternal life should be equal to immortality or it would be possible that all of the promises of eternal life would only refer to eternal life after death. Therefore, no one would technically have eternal life now. That's also plausible, but the Bible does say that people can have eternal life right now even before their death.
soberxp
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