Did Jesus inherit sinful flesh nature?

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Greetings Don Clarkson,
The lusts of the flesh are not "sin".

Those claiming this don't know the Lord or His Word very well at all.

James 1:13–16 (KJV): 13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. 16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.

1 John 3:4 (KJV): Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for
sin is the transgression of the law

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You are missing the point of what “sin” is exactly.
Sin is lawlessness (1 John 3:4). Or as the KJV says, sin is transgression of the law. It is something that one does.

Since sin is by definition lawlessness, there can be no such thing as sin without a valid body of law. Paul says the law gives us our knowledge of sin (Rom 3:20). He says, “I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, ‘You shall not covet’” (Rom 7:7).

Scripture gives abundant attestation to the existence of law, using many terms to describe it. Eight of these appear in Ps 119 alone: “law,” “commandments,” “statutes,” “testimonies,” “word,” “judgments,” “precepts,” and “ordinances.”

The two most general kinds of law have been called moral laws and positive laws. The former are commandments that generally reflect the holy nature of God and thus are absolute and unchanging. They are meant to apply equally to all people in all times and places. Examples are the commandments that forbid murder, adultery, stealing, lying, and coveting (Exod 20:13-17). Positive laws are commandments that express God’s will for specific persons or peoples in specific times and places. Examples are the requirement of circumcision for the OT people of God, and the requirement of the Lord’s Supper for his NT people. Disobedience to either kind of law constitutes sin.

While the moral law applies universally, the existence of positive laws designed for limited application means that more than one law code may be identified. A law code is the totality of the body of commandments that apply to an individual and for which that individual is responsible.

We may distinguish at least three such codes. One consists of the moral law only. This applies to those who have access to this law only as known in their hearts (Rom 2:15) and in the creation (Rom 1:18-21), and who have no access to any form of special revelation of positive laws. Thus even pagans with no knowledge of the Bible have a law code and commit sin when they disobey it (Rom 1:18-32).

The second main law code is the Law of Moses, including Israel’s Old Covenant responsibilities. This code included both the moral law and many positive laws (e.g., circumcision, the Sabbath, animal sacrifices). In its Mosaic form it was intended only for the Jews and for OT times only; disobedience thereto is what constituted sin for OT Israel.

The third law code is the totality of NT commandments as they apply in the New Covenant age. These include the moral law as well as various New Covenant ordinances, all of which are intended to apply to everyone living in this New Covenant age. Today all those who have access to the NT yet disobey its commandments are guilty of sin.

A presupposition of sin in the life of the individual is the knowledge of God’s law, or at least the possibility of knowing his law. Knowledge of sin comes through knowledge of law (Rom 3:20; 7:7). The first three chapters of Romans make it clear that because of general revelation, in one form or another law is in fact everywhere (Rom 1:18-21,32; 2:14-15). This means that the knowledge of law is available to everyone. But in Rom 4:15 Paul notes that “where there is no law, there also is no violation.” In view of Rom 1–3 (especially 2:15), how can there be any situation “where there is no law”? In the final analysis this must refer to an individual’s unavoidable ignorance of the law, as in the case of children who have not reached the age of accountability and in the case of the mentally handicapped, i.e., anyone who is unable to understand the origin and nature of law as commandments of God bearing the penalty of eternal wrath (Rom 7:9). Willful ignorance of the law, however, is no excuse (Rom 1:18; Eph 4:18).

There is much more that can be said about the nature of sin, but that should suffice to show you that I am not missing the point of what sin is exactly.
The word “sin” is an archery term that means to “miss the mark”….it means that humankind “miss the mark” of the perfection with which Adam was created. After sin entered the human race, all Adam’s offspring inherited his defect.

When sin entered the human genome, it became a defect in mankind. How did sin enter the human race? Through the actions of one man…(Rom 5:12) it is an inheritance, passed on genetically so that we cannot escape this genetic death sentence.
Sin did not enter the human genome. There is no "sin gene". And any category of thoughts that you have that derive from such an idea will invariably be wrong. So much of what followed falls within that category.
Think for a moment about what you just said…..all humans sinned because they wanted to? Why would God create all humans to sin?
God did not create all humans to sin. God created all humans with the ability to obey or not as they wished. Along with that God set down certain commandments that He wanted to be obeyed.
Why was there a death penalty for sinning if God was just going to sit back and watch his creation wither up in old age or sickness and die? That makes no sense. We are made in his image…and death was never supposed to be a part of that.
Physical death is an integral part of creation. There is no such thing as inherent physical immortality in the whole of the physical universe. There are occasions where sin does result in physical damage or even death of either the sinner or an innocent bystander. But that is not what Paul in Roman 6:23 is talking about. When Paul says there that the wages of sin is death, the death that he is talking about is spiritual death, the death that he later says in Ephesians 2:1 that we were once death in trespasses and sins. Sin results in a damage to the spirit of man, not the body of man. It is the spirit that needs to be reborn, not the flesh (John 3:1-16).
Adam was the first human to misuse his free will, baited by the devil, (who was the first rebel) by using his affection for his wife to encourage him to make a bad decision. Adam played right into that scheme, thereby making satan his god and ruler, severing their relationship with their Creator.
No it didn't sever their relationship with their Creator. It certainly damaged that relationship, by it was not destroyed. Such thinking is the single biggest fallacy of the Calvinist/Reformed Theology, i.e., Total Depravity. It was not Adam's sin that caused the death of your spirit; it was your sin that caused you to be dead in trespasses and sins. It was because of your sin that you needed to be reborn; it was your spirit that needed to be reborn.

Nearly all of what followed is simply wrong because it is based upon your false belief that physical death is the wages paid for sin.
 

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Greetings JBO,
Physical death is an integral part of creation.
I enjoyed your thorough exposition. I am not sure of what you are actually saying here as to the status of man, and what happened to Adam as a result of his transgression.

Genesis 3:17-19 (KJV): 17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

This physical death was a direct result of Adam's transgression, not an integral part of his creation.
what Paul in Roman 6:23 is talking about. When Paul says there that the wages of sin is death, the death that he is talking about is spiritual death
I disagree. I consider that this is alluding to Genesis 3:19 and the initial and final outcome is based upon God's judgement initiated in Eden. Yes, we inherit mortality from Adam whether we be sinners or not, but we only escape this end result by our belief of the Gospel and our identification with Christ in his death and resurrection by water baptism Acts 8:5-6,12 and then living the crucified life Galatians 2:20.

Romans 6:20-23 (KJV): 20For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. 21What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. 22But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Every time we lay an adult in the grave, we could say, "the wages of sin is death". This may not be the end of the story, as some of these will be raised from the dead and given eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

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Greetings JBO,

I enjoyed your thorough exposition. I am not sure of what you are actually saying here as to the status of man, and what happened to Adam as a result of his transgression.

Genesis 3:17-19 (KJV): 17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Well yes he did return to dust. but that was in complete harmony with how he was created. We know that because the tree of life was placed in the Garden to fend off the natural action of physically dying: Gen 3:22-23 Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever"-- therefore the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden, to cultivate the ground from which he was taken.

It was only in the Garden that they would not die.
This physical death was a direct result of Adam's transgression, not an integral part of his creation.
The physical death was an integral part of his creation. As a result of Adam's transgression, he was ejected from the Garden and no longer had access to the tree of life which would have prevented his physically dying.
Every time we lay an adult in the grave, we could say, "the wages of sin is death". This may not be the end of the story, as some of these will be raised from the dead and given eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Trevor, if the wages of sin is physical death and you being one whose sins are forgiven by God and one whose sins God will not hold against you, then why will you die?
 

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1 John 3:4 (KJV): Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law

But... not the law of moses.

Did you not understand that under the New Covenant we are under the Law of Christ?

Ask yourself... WHO is greater? Jesus Christ, or Moses???


Law of Christ
The phrase "the law of Christ" appears only in Galatians 6:2, although it is implied by the wording of 1 Corinthians 9:21 as well. In both places, its precise meaning is difficult to fix. In Galatians, Paul argues vigorously that the law given at Sinai makes no claim on those who believe in Christ, whether Gentile or Jew ( 2:15-21 ; Galatians 3:10-14 Galatians 3:23-26 ; 4:4-5 ; 4:21-5:6).

He then appeals to the Galatians to engage in ethical behavior by walking in the Spirit ( 5:16 Galatians 16 ), being lead by the Spirit ( 5:18 ), and fulfilling "the law of Christ" (ho nomos tou Christou) through bearing one another's burdens ( 6:2 ). In 1 Corinthians 9 Paul demonstrates how Christians should, out of love for the weaker brother or sister, refrain from demanding their rights.

By way of illustration Paul says in verses 19-23 that he adopts certain Jewish customs when among Jews, although he is not under the Jewish law, and that he adopts some Gentile customs when among Gentiles, although he is not without the law of God but rather "in the law of Christ" (ennomos Christou).

It seems fairly clear from these two texts that Paul uses the phrase to mean something other than the law given to Israel at Sinai and considered by most Jews to be their special possession.

Help is found in the prophets. In Isaiah 42:1-4 we read that God's chosen servant will one day establish justice throughout the earth and that "the coastlands will wait expectantly for His law" (NASB). If we take this passage to refer to the Messiah, then we could paraphrase it by saying that the Christ, when he comes, will teach God's law to the Gentiles ("the coastlands"). Jeremiah 31:31-34 similarly predicts the coming of a time in which disobedient Israel will receive a new covenant, consisting of a law written on the heart and therefore obeyed (cf. Ezek 36:26-27 ).

Jesus' teaching, although standing in continuity with the law given at Sinai, nevertheless sovereignly fashions a new law. In some instances Jesus sharpens commandments ( Matt 5:17-48 ) and in others considers them obsolete ( Mark 7:17-19 ). On one occasion, having been asked to identify the greatest commandment, Jesus concurs with the Jewish wisdom of his time ( Mark 12:32-33 ) that the greatest commandments are to love God supremely and to love one's neighbor as oneself ( Mark 12:28-31 ). He breaks with tradition, however, by defining the term "neighbor" to mean even the despised Samaritan ( Luke 10:29-37 ).

Paul believed that the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ marked the beginning point of God's new covenant ( 2 Cor 3:1-18 ; Gal 4:21-31 ; cf. Rom 8:2 ). Like Isaiah, he believed that this covenant included the Gentiles ( Gal 3:7-20 ), and like Jeremiah he believed that it offered Israel a remedy for the curse that the old Sinaitic covenant pronounced on Israel's disobedience ( Gal 3:10-13 ).

In light of this, Paul understood the teaching of Christ as a new law. If so, then the correspondence between the ethical teaching of Jesus and Paul on many points (e.g., 1 Cor 7:10-11 / Mark 10:2-9 ; 1 Cor 9:14 / Luke 10:7 ; Rom 14:1-23 / Mark 7:18-19 ) is a matter of Paul's intention rather than happy accident. Paul's own admonition to fulfill the law of Christ by bearing one another's burdens provides both a pithy restatement of Jesus' summary of the law and an indication that Jesus' teaching fulfills prophetic expectations.

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you
are justified by the law;
ye are fallen from grace.
 

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Greetings again JBO,
Well yes he did return to dust. but that was in complete harmony with how he was created.
I consider that "unto dust shalt thou return" was the sentence of death because of Adam's sin.
take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever"--
It was only in the Garden that they would not die.
I consider that only one eating would have granted everlasting life. I consider that "eat and live forever" is not saying if they continue to eat they will continue to live.
Trevor, if the wages of sin is physical death and you being one whose sins are forgiven by God and one whose sins God will not hold against you, then why will you die?
Because in the wisdom of God disease and death, the major effects of Adam's transgression upon us are not removed immediately. Christ the first fruits, after they that are his at his coming. The crown of life will be granted to those that love his appearing.

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I appreciate your exposition. I do not see how this is relevant to whether or not Jesus had the lusts of the flesh.

Jesus said if one lusts after a woman in his heart... he has already committed adultery.

That's the standard Jesus brings to the New Covenant... if one desires that which is evil, that is sinful behavior.

So those claiming Jesus had evil desires are accusing the Lord of being a sinner engaging in sinful behavior.

And that is one way someone can generate strife between themselves and the Lord as it's never good to agree with satan in claiming the Lord has or is involved in sinful behavior.
 

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Greetings again Don Clarkston,
Jesus said if one lusts after a woman in his heart... he has already committed adultery.
But such a lust is one additional step towards transgression. Having the lusts of the flesh is not sin, it is only sin when these lusts conceive James 1:13-16. In beholding a woman it is possible to "not err". Jesus did not err. Our past habits of thought must be overcome, replaced, sublimated.

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Having the lusts of the flesh is not sin

That's just what you think... if one does not cast down thoughts, imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God (2 Corinthians 10:5), then they are entertaining evil thoughts which is sunful.

It's not a sin for the thought to come as we all have been tempted by the devil as was Jesus... but Jesus did what 2 Corinthians 10:5 says and the devil had NOTHING in Him (John 14:30)

It's amazing to hear those who "claim" the be Christians say Jesus walked in the lusts of the flesh desiring to do things that were sinful.

Galatians 5:16
Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

There was never once a time when Jesus was not doing what He saw the Father do

John 5:19
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

Those that don't know the Lord who are ignorant of the whole counsel of God have listened to demons who tell them Jesus desired to do evil and it's OK for us to desire to do evil.
 

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Jesus NEVER allowed anything to come in to Him that would choke God's Word causing Him to not bear fruit...

Mark 4:13-20
And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables? The sower soweth the word. And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts. And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness; And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended. And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word, And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful. And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.

Here we see Jesus telling us the 5 things the devil uses to choke the Word and cause it to be unfruitful... IF these things are allowed to ENTER IN which we have the responsibility to not allow... see John 14:23 where Jesus says "If a man love me, he will keep my words" as in NOT allow it to be choked out of us.

The 5 things are... affliction, persecution, cares of this world, deceitfulness of riches, and lusts of other things
 

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Greetings again Don Clarkston,
It's amazing to hear those who "claim" the be Christians say Jesus walked in the lusts of the flesh desiring to do things that were sinful.
I consider that I have adequately explained my position and now you seem to be acting the part of a false accuser, a diabolos. What you have stated is not my perspective in any shape or form.

There are many aspects that contributed to the holiness and sinlessness of Jesus. There was his unique birth, with God the Father as his father and Mary as his mother. There was his special education from a child by God his Father and by Mary and Joseph. There are many passages that speak of his humility, his responsiveness to the Divine ways and many other aspects.

Jesus was the only one that fulfilled the following in its fullness, leaving us an example to follow:
Psalm 1:1–3 (KJV): 1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. 2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. 3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

I listened to a Bible Class last night by a speaker who has left Sydney NSW Australia and purchased a small acreage in the country with a cabin. The paddock next door has a number of cows and he was fascinated by the fact that the cows seemed to eat grass for many hours and then settled down in a comfortable position to chew the contents. He has invented a new word "meadowtate". The editors of Websters and Oxford Dictionaries may not accept this new word, but possibly the Australian Macquarie Dictionary may consider this. For example the Macquarie Dictionary does include the phrase "fair dinkum", as used in the question "Are you fair dinkum Mate?"

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Very simply his sacrifice would not of been acceptable if he had sinned or was with original sin.God the Father would of rejected the sacrifice.There would be no salvation.He is the unblemished lamb of God who came to make the sacrifice.Can't have Jesus without his sacrifice its what we put all or hope and faith in.You need to understand that.
 

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Because in the wisdom of God disease and death, the major effects of Adam's transgression upon us are not removed immediately. Christ the first fruits, after they that are his at his coming. The crown of life will be granted to those that love his appearing.
That only means that you do not really understand what it means to be forgiven. To be forgiven is a state of being. It is not an on-again-off-again condition. Contrary to the concept of the RCC, one who has been forgiven does not become lost (unforgiven) again the very next time he commits a sin. Rom 8:1-2 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and [spiritual] death. You are not set free from physical death, because physical death is inherent to physical life. It is integral to the creation and applies to the saved and unsaved equally.
 

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Greetings PGS11 and Greetings again JBO,
Very simply his sacrifice would not of been acceptable if he had sinned or was with original sin.
Neither we or Jesus inherit original sin.
Rom 8:1-2 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and [spiritual] death.
I disagree with your addition of "[spiritual]" death. Paul is speaking of physical death. In other words, those in Christ will be resurrected and granted eternal life.

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Greetings PGS11 and Greetings again JBO,

Neither we or Jesus inherit original sin.

I disagree with your addition of "[spiritual]" death. Paul is speaking of physical death. In other words, those in Christ will be resurrected and granted eternal life.

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Trevor
Everyone dies. Everyone will be resurrected That is universal. Those Justified and regenerated have already been granted eternal life.
 

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I consider that I have adequately explained my position

The "position" you speak of came from doctrines of demons and not from the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ Who always leads people in to ALL God's Word... the whole counsel of God



What you have stated is not my perspective in any shape or form.

Yeah, those listening to the devil have a perspective of error.



I listened to a Bible Class last night by a speaker...

Well that's the whole problem right there.... one should listen to THE Teacher which is the Holy Ghost!

Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13),
and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)

This is why your blah blah is not in line with what God's Word actually teachers

Claiming one having the lusts of the flesh is not sinful... is ludicrous and doctrines of demons.

Romans 8:10-14
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.


Real Christians.... have put to death the desires of the flesh thru submitting to the Holy Spirit.
Hang in their bud... maybe someday you'll get it! amen-prayer.gif
 
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Greetings again JBO,
Everyone dies. Everyone will be resurrected That is universal.
I consider that only a few will be resurrected, and even though the following says "many" I consider that this will be relatively few by comparison to the multitude who have lived. The rest have come under the sentence of death imposed upon Adam's descendants and will remain as dust for ever.

Daniel 12:1-3 (KJV): 1And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

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Greetings again Don Clarkston,
I listened to a Bible Class last night by a speaker
Well that's the whole problem right there.... one should listen to THE Teacher which is the Holy Ghost!
Yes, I listen to many speakers that I have learned to respect and trust on a whole range of Bible topics. I suggest that this could be part of the whole problem. You claim to have the Holy Spirit and but seem to fail to listen to others who have carefully studied and meditated and speak upon the Word of God. Despite the fact that you quote a few Scriptures, actually it appears that you rely very heavily upon your own thoughts and you come across with a nasty streak. Are you fair dinkum.

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You claim to have the Holy Spirit and but seem to fail to listen to others who have carefully studied and meditated and speak upon the Word of God.

Those peoples are actually speaking the twisted lies of the devil that claims Jesus was siting around desiring to do evil and desiring to engage in sinful behavior.

These people have been blinded by satan and are reprobate as they accuse the Lord of wrong doing thus generating strife between themselves and the Lord causing them to be void of understanding

Matthew 24:5
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am anointed (sent by God) and shall deceive many.


In these last days... the vast majority of churches and preachers are teaching false doctrine and those with itching ears seek them out so they can get their ears tickled.

Those believing the lie that Jesus was siting around desiring to do evil and desiring to engage in sinful behavior.... seek to use this lie to justify their own desires to do evil so they can go from just having the desire to actually enjoy them some sinful behavior and claim they are still Christians.




Despite the fact that you quote a few Scriptures, actually it appears that you rely very heavily upon your own thoughts and you come across with a nasty streak

Those being led by the devil think they are being persecuted when others reject their demonic "revelations" and call them out for the false teachers and deceivers that they are. They are the nasty ones.

Just like when Jesus called out the pharisees and sadducees for being of their father the devil, these people get all upset just like the pharisees and sadducees

No accepting the whole counsel of God is one of the earmarks of someone being led by the devil... and that ends badly. A word to the wise should be sufficient but rarely is.

1 Thessalonians 4:4
That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honor

2 Corinthians 10:5

Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

Jesus knew how to do this and did it with perfection! thumbsup2.gif
 
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