You don’t know; we Jews know
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Triumph1300
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That means that Jesus Christ would come from a line of Jewish people. That's all.
The context of Jesus’ words indicates something else, something in addition, to me.
Rockerduck
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Context is always key and the passage is:-
19 “Sir,” the woman said, “I can see that you are a prophet. 20 Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem.”
21 “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
Jesus is pointing to the coming time following his resurrection and ascension when we will worship him directly with out the need for ritual, ceremony or animal sacrifice.
19 “Sir,” the woman said, “I can see that you are a prophet. 20 Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem.”
21 “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
Jesus is pointing to the coming time following his resurrection and ascension when we will worship him directly with out the need for ritual, ceremony or animal sacrifice.
I agree, but there is more. Jesus is including himself in ”we Jews know what we are worshipping.”
What are Jesus and his fellow Jews - “true worshipers” - worshipping?
Rockerduck
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Do you understand what John 4:22 says. It is salvation is of the Jews, not from the Jews. Without Jews you would not have bible. All knowledge comes from the bible, which was compiled by Jews. It is of the Jews Christ came to us. Nothing came from the Jews, Jesus got rid of the Mosaic law. Salvation is of the Jews.
Behold
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A.) God.
However, where this falls apart is regarding how to be accepted by God, as this is only through CHRIST, and most Jews, don't believe it, especially the most religious.
Dash RipRock
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Excluding the pharisees and the sadducees of course since Jesus said they were children of the devil who did not know the Lord.
Behold
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All sinners are a spiritual child of the devil, under God's wrath. John 3:36
To stop being a spiritual child of the devil, you must be BORN AGAIN by a DIFFERENT Spiritual Father. = GOD
Dash RipRock
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More games - if you have a statement to make about that, just say it.
That’s the devil’s sneer. Every righteous person has heard it or will.
I have said it. Now I’m waiting for him, if he has anything he wants to say about it.
Are you not aware that God the Father is worshipped by ALL in heaven, that Jesus while on earth worshipped his Father, that he prayed regularly to him, that he described him as ' My God and your God'.
I’m aware. Jesus is a Jewish monotheist.
Are you aware that Jewish monotheists are unitarians?
Jesus is a unitarian. His God is Yahweh, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. That is why Jesus worships him. There is no other God for a Jewish monotheist to worship.
“1. The one God. (a) theos is the most frequent designation of God in the NT. Belief in the one, only, and unique God (Matt. 23:9; Rom. 3:30; 1 Cor. 8:4-6; Gal. 3:20; 1 Tim. 2:5; Jas. 2:19) is an established part of Christian tradition. Jesus himself made the fundamental confession of Jud. his own and expressly quoted the Shema (Deut. 6:4-5; see Mk. 12:29-30; cf. Matt. 22:37; Lk. 10:27). This guaranteed continuity between the old and the new covenants. The God whom Christians worship is the God of the fathers (Acts 3:13; 5:30; 22:14), the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Acts 3:13; 7:32; cf. Matt. 22:32; Mk. 12:26; Lk. 20:37), the God of Israel (Matt. 15:31; Lk. 1:68; Acts 13:17), and the God of Jesus Christ (2 Cor. 1:3; Eph. 1:3; 1 Pet. 1:3).”
(New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology, Abridged Edition, p. 244)
That is why Jesus is a Jewish monotheist. That is why Jesus worships his God and Father. That is why I’m a Jewish monotheist. That is why I worship my God and Father.
(New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology, Abridged Edition, p. 244)
That is why Jesus is a Jewish monotheist. That is why Jesus worships his God and Father. That is why I’m a Jewish monotheist. That is why I worship my God and Father.
“The NT rests firmly on the OT foundation in its doctrine of God, but its emphases are new. God is now near, the Father of Jesus Christ, who justifies freely by his grace (cf. Paul’s concept of the righteousness of God). His action in election bursts all claims to exclusiveness. But it is the same God who reveals himself in the OT and whose plan of salvation, there promised, comes to fulfillment.“
(New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology, Abridged Edition, p. 244)
This is Jewish monotheism / primitive Christianity.
(New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology, Abridged Edition, p. 244)
This is Jewish monotheism / primitive Christianity.
Those who affirm the later creeds of the church routinely deny that I’m part of an established Christian tradition but scripture - the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament - attests and affirms that I am.
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