MATTHEW 28 IS IT OUR COMMISSION?

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I didn't say al;l Jesus taught Israel. I said we are to observe all that Jesus commanded in making disciples.
you said "We the church are to go into all nations, teaching and making disiples as well and to obey all that the Lord has taught us. It is all our commission."
You did say making disciples but also to obey all the Lord taught us..........that would include preaching the gospel of the kingdom.....how else could you make disciples but by preaching the gospel........in the four gospels the gospel of the kingdom was the only gospel preached
This is easily resolved by recognizing Matthew 28 commission is only given to the eleven
Our gospel is in Paul's epistles......our commission is .................[2Co 5:20 KJV] 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech [you] by us: we pray [you] in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
 
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So your point is, the chosen twelve and Paul, had to become witnesses from the beginning with Christ, before the church became witnesses.
I am saying that in Luke 24:47 Jesus was commanding them to preach his name to the nations and that he said they were witnesses and the church the body of Christ could not be a witness as the disciples and is just another reason not to reckon this commission as being to us
 

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Paul was not with Christ since the beginning to be called a witness from the beginning.
I was just saying Paul is called a witness in Acts [Act 22:15 KJV] 15 For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard........I put this verse in the footnotes
 

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That just is no so, unless by "converting" you mean something different than changing a sinner into a Christian. In Acts we are told specifically:

“So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart, praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.” (Ac 2:46-47 NKJV)
The word of God has the power, and the word of God is that which was and is preached by Christians. The word of God that Philip preached to the Ethiopian eunuch convinced and converted him.
 

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you said "We the church are to go into all nations, teaching and making disiples as well and to obey all that the Lord has taught us. It is all our commission."
You did say making disciples but also to obey all the Lord taught us..........that would include preaching the gospel of the kingdom.....how else could you make disciples but by preaching the gospel........in the four gospels the gospel of the kingdom was the only gospel preached
This is easily resolved by recognizing Matthew 28 commission is only given to the eleven
Our gospel is in Paul's epistles......our commission is .................[2Co 5:20 KJV] 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech [you] by us: we pray [you] in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
Yes it was until Matt. 12 when Jesus revoked the offer of the kingdom to that generation. We now preach the gospel of salvation which is the gospel Jesus commanded the church to preach! And to teh eleven He told them to preach it to the uttermost parts of the earth! that means whatever He told the eleven meant to go global!

Matthew 28:16-20

King James Version

16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.

Acts 1:8

King James Version

8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

What you are st4rongly implying is that the Apostles preached a different gospel and discipleship commission that what Paul taught. That is simply not true. to the Jew they preached Jesus crucified and resurrected for salvation and to the gentile, the same thing!
 

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Yes it was until Matt. 12 when Jesus revoked the offer of the kingdom to that generation.
Please give me the verse you are speaking of in Matthew 12 where Jesus revokes the kingdom
I see Jesus giving them time to repent.................[Luk 13:7-9 KJV] 7 Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground? 8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung [it]: 9 And if it bear fruit, [well]: and if not, [then] after that thou shalt cut it down.
 

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I am saying that in Luke 24:47 Jesus was commanding them to preach his name to the nations
Sadly again, you're loosing it with this contending and false spirit you've adopted.

Rather Jesus said to them, preach repentance and remission of sins in HIS name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
and that he said they were witnesses and the church the body of Christ could not be a witness as the disciples and is just another reason not to reckon this commission as being to us
Jesus didn't say nor there's verse, that the church the body of Christ could not be a witness as disciples.

Mark and Luke were witnesses to the Gospel as disciples, before theirs is all written down.

In the book of Acts, Ananias, Apollos, Aquila & Priscilla etc. were witnesses to the Gospel as disciples.

The epistle to the Ephesians church, and is circulated and read in all other churches, even in Jerusalem.

Is written that the full amour that every church believer must put on as soldiers in Christ.

One of them is the shoe amour, the readiness to witness the Good News and Peace as disciples.

Ask yourself, why in the Gospel Jesus Himself commissioned 70 or 72 followers, 2 by 2 to witness ahead of Him, repentance and remission of sins, yet being disciples?
 

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Matthew 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Jesus was commanding the eleven disciples. Jesus commanded them to teach all the nations to obey his commandments. This was preparation for the coming Davidic kingdom on earth. Israel was to be a blessing to the Gentile nations in the kingdom. They were commanded to baptize in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost, where as before it was in the name of Jesus only because the Holy Ghost was not fallen on them (Isaiah 2:2-3 Zechariah 8:23 Acts 2:38 Acts 8:16).

Mark 16:14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

The eleven disciples, were once again, the only ones who were given this commandment. They were to go and preach the gospel of the kingdom. The gospel of the coming kingdom on earth, in which Christ will reign along with the disciples. They were not preaching Paul's gospel (Matthew 24:14).

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

The gospel of the kingdom required baptism. The salvation spoken of here is a physical salvation that would deliver Israel from the tribulation and the Antichrist. This salvation is Israel being saved to enter the kingdom on earth.

Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

These were signs that would only follow the disciples at the time the gospel of the kingdom was being preached. This gospel is not being preached today, nor does the church, the body of Christ have any basis to warrant any expectation that these signs have any application today.

Mark 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

The signs that would follow belief were only to confirm the authenticity of the word spoken of the coming kingdom.

Luke 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

The nations are Gentiles. Starting first at Jerusalem, the gospel of the kingdom would be preached. It is to the Jew first (Acts 15:7 Romans 1:16).

The nations were to be given the same gospel of the kingdom the Apostles preached to Israel (Mark 13:10 Luke 9:6).

The nations, as did Israel, were to repent and believe on the name of Jesus for remission of sins. This is the same remission of sins that John and Peter preached (Mark 1:4 Acts 2:38 Acts 10:43).

Luke 24:48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

John and the eleven remaining disciples were witnesses. The church, the body of Christ can not be witnesses. Paul only was witness (John 1:7 John 15:27 Acts 1:22 Acts 22:15).

Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

The disciples were to remain in Jerusalem and wait for the Holy Ghost. This was fulfilled at Pentecost. Acts 2:1

John 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

Jesus gave the authority to remit sins. This commandment will be carried out in the kingdom on earth. The body of Christ has no such authority.

The commissions were given to the disciples only. They were to go unto the nations, the Gentiles. The body of Christ are to go to all men, to exhort that all be reconciled to God, through The Lord Jesus Christ. The body of Christ, the church, in this dispensation, are ambassadors of Christ to all (2 Corinthians 5:20 Colossians 1:18).
Why would you ask? don't you know there are missionaries all over the globe as we speak? As for us who have not been called for specifically- we speak with people whenever given the opportunity to share our faith. It's hard because so many reject it. But we do it anyway, and hope it's at least a seed, someone else waters and God gives the increase. I've even been in a grocery store and felt led to share! I've met some people who were really seeking there. They are everywhere!
I do know of some who only present the gospel by way of showing it by good works toward others. For many that does seem to work.
 

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Why would you ask? don't you know there are missionaries all over the globe as we speak? As for us who have not been called for specifically- we speak with people whenever given the opportunity to share our faith. It's hard because so many reject it. But we do it anyway, and hope it's at least a seed, someone else waters and God gives the increase. I've even been in a grocery store and felt led to share! I've met some people who were really seeking there. They are everywhere!
I do know of some who only present the gospel by way of showing it by good works toward others. For many that does seem to work.
Of course we are to share the gospel, but we have to be sure which gospel. Jesus and the twelve preached the gospel of the kingdom (the Davidic kingdom on earth). Jesus commanded the disciples to preach the gospel of the kingdom. We preach Paul's gospel
 

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Of course we are to share the gospel, but we have to be sure which gospel. Jesus and the twelve preached the gospel of the kingdom (the Davidic kingdom on earth). Jesus commanded the disciples to preach the gospel of the kingdom. We preach Paul's gospel
Are you a JW? Bringing a new different gospel?
 

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Please give me the verse you are speaking of in Matthew 12 where Jesus revokes the kingdom
I see Jesus giving them time to repent.................[Luk 13:7-9 KJV] 7 Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground? 8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung [it]: 9 And if it bear fruit, [well]: and if not, [then] after that thou shalt cut it down.
Sorry I gave teh wrong chapter. It is found in Matt. 21:43. I apologize for the error.

It is this future nation (ethnos) of Israel that the Kingdom will be given to. If you like, I can list all the unfulfilled prophesies about teh kingdom on earth belongin to Israel.
 

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Are you a JW? Bringing a new different gospel?
No I am a grace believer..... dispensationalist mid acts right division believer

I am not bringing in a different gospel I am saying we have to rightly divide the Bible and realize that Jesus was preaching that the prophetic kingdom on earth was at hand.........he was preaching the gospel of the kingdom

Our gospel is in Paul's epistles
 
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No I am a grace believer..... dispensationalist mid acts right division believer

I am not bringing in a different gospel I am saying we have to rightly divide the Bible and realize that Jesus was preaching that the prophetic kingdom on earth was at hand.........he was preaching the gospel of the kingdom

Our gospel is in Paul's epistles
In the sense that Peter first preached Jesus crucified and resurrected for our sins, yes it is in Pauls gospel, but He was not the first to preach it, Peter and the other 11 and Stephen and Philip and many others also preached this.

Now if you are talking about how gentiles are to live, well that is not the gospel but our code of cunduct. And this is vastly different in many areas than the Jews.
 

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Sorry I gave teh wrong chapter. It is found in Matt. 21:43. I apologize for the error.

It is this future nation (ethnos) of Israel that the Kingdom will be given to. If you like, I can list all the unfulfilled prophesies about teh kingdom on earth belongin to Israel.
[Mat 21:43 KJV] 43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
If what you are saying is the kingdom on earth will be taken from unbelieving Israel and will be given to true Israel, the little flock then I agree
I would like to see the verses you have about the kingdom if its not too much trouble
 
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n the sense that Peter first preached Jesus crucified and resurrected for our sins, yes it is in Pauls gospel, but He was not the first to preach it, Peter and the other 11 and Stephen and Philip and many others also preached this.
Peter's preaching varies

Peter preached the gospel of the kingdom...............[Mar 1:14 KJV] 14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,.........Jesus sent him to preach the gospel of the kingdom...............[Mar 16:15 KJV] 15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Peter preached faith in the name of Jesus that he is the Son of God the Christ....................[Act 4:12 KJV] 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Peter preached that Jesus was raised to sit on the throne....................[Act 2:30 KJV] 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

Peter did not preach redemption by the cross in the 4 gospels or Acts

Peter did preach Christ died for sins but it was for Israel only..................[1Pe 2:24 KJV] 24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
 
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Matthew 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Jesus was commanding the eleven disciples. Jesus commanded them to teach all the nations to obey his commandments. This was preparation for the coming Davidic kingdom on earth. Israel was to be a blessing to the Gentile nations in the kingdom. They were commanded to baptize in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost, where as before it was in the name of Jesus only because the Holy Ghost was not fallen on them (Isaiah 2:2-3 Zechariah 8:23 Acts 2:38 Acts 8:16).

Mark 16:14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

The eleven disciples, were once again, the only ones who were given this commandment. They were to go and preach the gospel of the kingdom. The gospel of the coming kingdom on earth, in which Christ will reign along with the disciples. They were not preaching Paul's gospel (Matthew 24:14).

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

The gospel of the kingdom required baptism. The salvation spoken of here is a physical salvation that would deliver Israel from the tribulation and the Antichrist. This salvation is Israel being saved to enter the kingdom on earth.

Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

These were signs that would only follow the disciples at the time the gospel of the kingdom was being preached. This gospel is not being preached today, nor does the church, the body of Christ have any basis to warrant any expectation that these signs have any application today.

Mark 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

The signs that would follow belief were only to confirm the authenticity of the word spoken of the coming kingdom.

Luke 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

The nations are Gentiles. Starting first at Jerusalem, the gospel of the kingdom would be preached. It is to the Jew first (Acts 15:7 Romans 1:16).

The nations were to be given the same gospel of the kingdom the Apostles preached to Israel (Mark 13:10 Luke 9:6).

The nations, as did Israel, were to repent and believe on the name of Jesus for remission of sins. This is the same remission of sins that John and Peter preached (Mark 1:4 Acts 2:38 Acts 10:43).

Luke 24:48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

John and the eleven remaining disciples were witnesses. The church, the body of Christ can not be witnesses. Paul only was witness (John 1:7 John 15:27 Acts 1:22 Acts 22:15).

Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

The disciples were to remain in Jerusalem and wait for the Holy Ghost. This was fulfilled at Pentecost. Acts 2:1

John 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

Jesus gave the authority to remit sins. This commandment will be carried out in the kingdom on earth. The body of Christ has no such authority.

The commissions were given to the disciples only. They were to go unto the nations, the Gentiles. The body of Christ is to go to all men, to exhort that all be reconciled to God, through the Lord Jesus Christ. The body of Christ, the church, in this dispensation, are ambassadors of Christ to all (2 Corinthians 5:20 Colossians 1:18).
The "Great Commission" refers to the task that Jesus entrusted to his apostles: to make disciples of Him, rather than creating followers for themselves. While some may argue that this directive applies to all followers of Jesus, I have a different perspective. Paul teaches that God assigns a unique calling to each believer, and not everyone has the same role. If some individuals are specifically called to make disciples, then Jesus is addressing them. It’s important for these disciples to remember that the individuals they baptize are followers of Jesus Christ, not their own followers. If that is not our role, then we should also be clear that if we bring someone to the Lord, they are to be followers of Jesus, not our followers.
 

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All of Jesus' followers have been given certain giftings, some to be evangelists, others pastoral gifts, while others have gifts of discernment and visions. Each of these followers have a duty to discipline those with whom they communion with as to how they can use their giftings to bring Glory to God and to Bless others with their giftings. The Body of Christ is made up of many parts and each part is responsible for sharing the gospel with others within the umbrella of discipleship such that they too learn how to disciple others to keep expanding God's Kingdom here on the earth.

The end of this commission to disciples others end when we stand before Christ to be judged at the end of time.