MATTHEW 28 IS IT OUR COMMISSION?

[Doug]

I didn't say al;l Jesus taught Israel. I said we are to observe all that Jesus commanded in making disciples.

you said "We the church are to go into all nations, teaching and making disiples as well and to obey all that the Lord has taught us. It is all our commission."
You did say making disciples but also to obey all the Lord taught us..........that would include preaching the gospel of the kingdom.....how else could you make disciples but by preaching the gospel........in the four gospels the gospel of the kingdom was the only gospel preached
This is easily resolved by recognizing Matthew 28 commission is only given to the eleven
Our gospel is in Paul's epistles......our commission is .................[2Co 5:20 KJV] 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech [you] by us: we pray [you] in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

 

[Doug]

So your point is, the chosen twelve and Paul, had to become witnesses from the beginning with Christ, before the church became witnesses.

I am saying that in Luke 24:47 Jesus was commanding them to preach his name to the nations and that he said they were witnesses and the church the body of Christ could not be a witness as the disciples and is just another reason not to reckon this commission as being to us

 

[Doug]

Paul was not with Christ since the beginning to be called a witness from the beginning.

I was just saying Paul is called a witness in Acts [Act 22:15 KJV] 15 For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard........I put this verse in the footnotes

 

[DJT_47]

That just is no so, unless by "converting" you mean something different than changing a sinner into a Christian. In Acts we are told specifically:

“So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart, praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.” (Ac 2:46-47 NKJV)

The word of God has the power, and the word of God is that which was and is preached by Christians. The word of God that Philip preached to the Ethiopian eunuch convinced and converted him.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

you said "We the church are to go into all nations, teaching and making disiples as well and to obey all that the Lord has taught us. It is all our commission."
You did say making disciples but also to obey all the Lord taught us..........that would include preaching the gospel of the kingdom.....how else could you make disciples but by preaching the gospel........in the four gospels the gospel of the kingdom was the only gospel preached
This is easily resolved by recognizing Matthew 28 commission is only given to the eleven
Our gospel is in Paul's epistles......our commission is .................[2Co 5:20 KJV] 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech [you] by us: we pray [you] in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

Yes it was until Matt. 12 when Jesus revoked the offer of the kingdom to that generation. We now preach the gospel of salvation which is the gospel Jesus commanded the church to preach! And to teh eleven He told them to preach it to the uttermost parts of the earth! that means whatever He told the eleven meant to go global!

Matthew 28:16-20

King James Version

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16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.

Acts 1:8

King James Version

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8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

What you are st4rongly implying is that the Apostles preached a different gospel and discipleship commission that what Paul taught. That is simply not true. to the Jew they preached Jesus crucified and resurrected for salvation and to the gentile, the same thing!

 

[Doug]

Yes it was until Matt. 12 when Jesus revoked the offer of the kingdom to that generation.

Please give me the verse you are speaking of in Matthew 12 where Jesus revokes the kingdom
I see Jesus giving them time to repent.................[Luk 13:7-9 KJV] 7 Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground? 8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung [it]: 9 And if it bear fruit, [well]: and if not, [then] after that thou shalt cut it down.

 

[Fred J]

I am saying that in Luke 24:47 Jesus was commanding them to preach his name to the nations

Sadly again, you're loosing it with this contending and false spirit you've adopted.

Rather Jesus said to them, preach repentance and remission of sins in HIS name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

and that he said they were witnesses and the church the body of Christ could not be a witness as the disciples and is just another reason not to reckon this commission as being to us

Jesus didn't say nor there's verse, that the church the body of Christ could not be a witness as disciples.

Mark and Luke were witnesses to the Gospel as disciples, before theirs is all written down.

In the book of Acts, Ananias, Apollos, Aquila & Priscilla etc. were witnesses to the Gospel as disciples.

The epistle to the Ephesians church, and is circulated and read in all other churches, even in Jerusalem.

Is written that the full amour that every church believer must put on as soldiers in Christ.

One of them is the shoe amour, the readiness to witness the Good News and Peace as disciples.

Ask yourself, why in the Gospel Jesus Himself commissioned 70 or 72 followers, 2 by 2 to witness ahead of Him, repentance and remission of sins, yet being disciples?