Limited atonement !

[rrv3vbom]

The truth of limited atonement is vital to the Christian Gospel, there's no Gospel without it. See 1 Cor 15:3. It refers specifically to the Death of Christ on the Cross, which death fully satisfied the law and justice of God for not all human beings but only for a certain group, the elect of God, Chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world.

Now let's get one thing understood, when i speak of limited atonement, i don't mean by any means that Christ atoning death is limited in its power, but that its limited in that it doesn't cover or apply to everyone, but only applies to and covers the elect or chosen of God or the Church of God in Christ, or Gods Sheep. Jn 10















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Thanks for sharing your conviction — it's clear you've thought deeply about this. The doctrine of limited atonement (or particular redemption) is indeed a key part of Reformed theology and reflects a specific interpretation of passages like John 10 and 1 Corinthians 15:3.

It emphasizes that Christ’s death was purposeful and fully effective for those it was intended to save — the elect. Many believers find great assurance in this, knowing that Christ’s sacrifice actually accomplished salvation, not just made it possible.

Of course, there are differing views within Christianity, like unlimited atonement, which holds that Christ died for all but only those who believe receive its benefits. These debates have existed for centuries and are often rooted in how we interpret Scripture and God’s sovereignty.

It’s important to keep discussing these doctrines with grace, grounding everything in the authority of Scripture and a love for truth. Would you say this teaching has shaped your understanding of evangelism or assurance of salvation?

 

[brightfame52]

So Jesus didn't need to sacrificed for people to have grace? There's a condition. There is also Paul who said people can fall from grace. How is that a picture of unconditional grace?

Grace that saved a sinner is unconditional towards the sinner it saves. They met no conditions, they were dead in sin and in rebellion towards God

 

[brightfame52]

"Limited Atonement" denies that God's Grace is unconditional, as to Limit the Cross (The Atonement) is to teach that God's Grace is LIMITED, not unconditional.

Contrary Limited atonement shows Grace that saves was unconditional, and effectual

 

[brightfame52]

Thanks for sharing your conviction — it's clear you've thought deeply about this. The doctrine of limited atonement (or particular redemption) is indeed a key part of Reformed theology and reflects a specific interpretation of passages like John 10 and 1 Corinthians 15:3.

It emphasizes that Christ’s death was purposeful and fully effective for those it was intended to save — the elect. Many believers find great assurance in this, knowing that Christ’s sacrifice actually accomplished salvation, not just made it possible.

Of course, there are differing views within Christianity, like unlimited atonement, which holds that Christ died for all but only those who believe receive its benefits. These debates have existed for centuries and are often rooted in how we interpret Scripture and God’s sovereignty.

It’s important to keep discussing these doctrines with grace, grounding everything in the authority of Scripture and a love for truth. Would you say this teaching has shaped your understanding of evangelism or assurance of salvation?

Not here to talk about me, but thanks for your input

 

[Behold]

Contrary Limited atonement shows Grace that saves was unconditional, and effectual

You posted that God's Grace is unlimited.

Now you say its Limited.

You are stuck in a demonic mindset, as that is what Calvinism does to its victims.
You are darkened in your mind by John Calvinism, Hyper Calvinism to such a degree... that you dont even recognize your own contradictions when you post them.

 

[David Lamb]

You posted that God's Grace is unlimited.

But Brightframe52 didn't merely say God's grace is unlimited. "Grace that saved a sinner is unconditional towards the sinner it saves. They met no conditions, they were dead in sin and in rebellion towards God."

Now you say its Limited.

In fact the bible says it's limited to those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Behold]

But Brightframe52 didn't merely say God's grace is unlimited. "Grace that saved a sinner is unconditional towards the sinner it saves. They met no conditions, they were dead in sin and in rebellion towards God."

Here is how to understand The Atonement,

The Cross of Christ, is where God meets the Sinner, with eternal forgiveness.

Now who are these sinners?

John 3:16... "For God so loved the WORLD"

A.) "WORLD">..........is everyone..........because "= ALL have sinned".

In fact the bible says it's limited to those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

Salvation is limited to the Believer........However, God does not choose who believes., and "God would that all believe".....but not all will, because they chose not to......and others believed.

If God was in charge of causing people to believe then God would cause everyone to believe.
If noone had free will then God would cause everyone to believe.
But, God is looking for OUR FAITH.... that we chose to Give Him.

 

[brightfame52]

You posted that God's Grace is unlimited.

Now you say its Limited.

You are stuck in a demonic mindset, as that is what Calvinism does to its victims.
You are darkened in your mind by John Calvinism, Hyper Calvinism to such a degree... that you dont even recognize your own contradictions when you post them.

Limited atonement proves that Christs death was effectual in saving the elect He died for, but unlimited atonement limits the power of the atonement, making its success depend on the will of man, it glorifies man, Limited atonement glorifies Christ !

 

[brightfame52]

@Behold

Now who are these sinners?

John 3:16... "For God so loved the WORLD"

Thats the world of the elect that God loves, the world of Jacobs He loved

 

[Dash RipRock]

Grace is conditional and is a response that each person must give actively. You can start with Romans 5:1-2 that says grace is accessed through faith. Faith is therefore a work that someone performs according to Jesus in John 6:29. So the conclusion is grace is earned and it can be lost as well according to Galatians 5:4, 1 Timothy 1:19-20, and Hebrews 12:15-17.

It's not that grace is earned, it's more like grace is only accessible thru faith

And disobedience disqualifies people from salvation because they have departed from the faith and no faith means no grace.

The greasy grace folks will come along and argue in favor of being able to walk in sin and will claim one is still saved when they do so.

 

[Dash RipRock]

In fact the bible says it's limited to those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

We are saved by grace thru faith.

No faith means no grace

Faith is believing what God says and acting like what God says is true

The greasy grace folks claim we believe and can live in sin and it's all good which is false doctrine

 

[Rockerduck]

We are saved by grace thru faith.

No faith means no grace

Faith is believing what God says and acting like what God says is true

The greasy grace folks claim we believe and can live in sin and it's all good which is false doctrine

For by Grace (of God) you have been saved through Faith (in Jesus Christ), it is a gift of God. The gift is Faith in Jesus Christ.

 

[brightfame52]

For by Grace (of God) you have been saved through Faith (in Jesus Christ), it is a gift of God. The gift is Faith in Jesus Christ.

Yes to Gods elect for whom He exclusively died. Titus 1:1-2

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;