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Reggie Belafonte

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Exactly.
Babies don't sin.

But babies are born in a sinful world.
As they grow up how will sin define the baby's future.....

There comes a time in that person's life to become born again.
They are not Saved. and not condemed ?
young They are carnal, that's the nature.
They can not be covicted for Sin, for they know not. untill of some age ?

Look at school kids, they can be real nasty for sure or even big brothers outright evil intent on younger brothers, same deal can be regarding with sisters and sisters. etc.

I think a lot of such is brought on by inferiority complex. and school teachers and the education department is clearly full of people who are full of inferiority complex ! that's clearly why they promote Socialist domanating intent over the People ! because they have not matured because all Socialist are in fact are clearly Lost ! they are all about band aids ? cover up the real issues, for they can not deal with the reality of truth at all in fact.
 

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Sorry, i don't know what you believe exactly aside from that babies are not born sinners and that's great I agree.
I've known people who believe if a baby,unborn or born,dies, they go to Hell. Because they were unredeemed.

That's sick doctrine. Not Christ Truth.
 

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The Gentiles didn’t asked Paul to come preach us something different next Sunday. They wanted Paul to preach to them the same thing that he taught the Jews, the next sabbath.

And this STILL does not mean Saturday Sabbath s for New Testament believers.
 

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And this STILL does not mean Saturday Sabbath s for New Testament believers.
The Biblical Sabbath, however, is and has always been on the seventh day of the week, or Saturday. Despite the prevalence of Sunday worship in Christendom, we must look to the Bible as our authority and keep the seventh day Sabbath ordained by God.

Remember Paul said; (Acts 24:14) “But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:” And it says clearly in the law (Ex:20) to remember the sabbath, to keep it holy.
 

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The Biblical Sabbath, however, is and has always been on the seventh day of the week, or Saturday. Despite the prevalence of Sunday worship in Christendom, we must look to the Bible as our authority and keep the seventh day Sabbath ordained by God.

Remember Paul said; (Acts 24:14) “But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:” And it says clearly in the law (Ex:20) to remember the sabbath, to keep it holy.

And yet, the Apostles were having meetings on the first day of the week which is Sunday... weird!

We see in Acts chapter 2 that the first church service was on Sunday (the day of Pentecost they were all with one accord in one place and received the outpouring of the Holy Ghost). And, the first public evangelism meeting was also held on Sunday out in the street after the Holy Ghost was poured out in the upper room (Acts 2:14-36)

Acts 20:7
The first day of the week, the Apostles came together to break bread

1 Corinthians 16:2
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him

Colossians 2:16,17

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Why follow the shadow of things that were to come after Jesus has arrived where we can join Him in The feast of First Fruits? Let no man therefore judge you concerning not observing Saturday sabbath seeing it's not a requirement given in the New Testament for salvation!

The Lord instructed the Israelites, “You shall count seven weeks for yourself; begin to count the seven weeks from the time you begin to put the sickle to the grain” (Deuteronomy 16:9). The word Pentecost means fifty, and it comes fifty days from the feast of First Fruits (Leviticus 23:10–11, 15–17). The feast of First Fruits was to occur on the day after the Sabbath (verse 11), which was always the Sunday of Passover week. Pentecost, then, was the day after the seventh following Sabbath (verses 15–16), which would be the fiftieth day after First Fruits and also falls on a Sunday.

Jesus died on the Friday of Passover week and had to be buried hastily before sunset, which was when the Sabbath began. His body remained in the sepulcher throughout the Sabbath day, but on that Sunday morning, when the priest was to offer the First Fruits offering in the Temple, Christ arose from the dead as the first fruits of them that slept (I Corinthians 15:20).

For forty days, Jesus appeared to His disciples and then ascended into Heaven. Ten days later, the Sunday of the Feast of Pentecost, the Holy Spirit descended upon the believers in Jerusalem. The only biblical reference to the events of Pentecost is Acts 2:1-3. At Pentecost, the disciples witnessed the birth of the New Testament church in the coming of the Holy Spirit.

The evidence shows that the First Fruits and Pentecost were always intended to fall on Sundays, without regard to the day of the month they occurred. As for the New Testament record, it is clear that Jesus arose from the dead on Sunday, the First Day of the Week, the day after the Sabbath, as the fulfillment of the feast of First Fruits. These dates were the literal fulfillment of the Old Testament feasts verifying the powerful meaning of the death and resurrection of Christ.

Jesus is the first fruits, or first born among many brethren

Romans 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

God's Word teaches the old covenant has been done away with because we now have a NEW covenant

Hebrews 10:9
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

God's Word teaches that Christians are NOT following Moses as their high priest because now we have a NEW High Priest Who is Jesus Christ?

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

God did away with the old covenant where Moses was the high priest and made a new Covenant where Jesus Christ is the High Priest and since the priesthood has been changed, there has been a change of the law from the law of Moses to the Law of Christ..

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Those who try to keep the law of Moses are responsible for keeping ALL of the law of Moses and if they don’t keep all of the law, they are guilty of failing to keep the law. Christians are NOT called to keep the law of Moses... we are under the law of Christ now. (see - Galatians 6:2, 1 Corinthians 9:21, James 2:12, James 1:25, Romans 8:2, 2 Peter 1:4-10)

James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Hebrews 3:1-6
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.
For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.
For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.
And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after;
But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

You can have church on Saturday if you want to... but it's crossing the line to tell others they are in sin if they don't observe Saturday sabbath seeing there is no such command or teaching from Jesus or His Apostles saying Christians are required to observe Saturday sabbath under the New Covenant.
 
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And BELIEVING in Him involved a great deal...

Yes, It involved giving God His Faith, and God accepted it.

See, Real Faith, continues as deeds that support it.

However, God didn't not need the Deed to accept Abram, as God had already charged Righteousness to Abram, once Abram "Believed".

And in the Case of a Forgiven, Born Again Christaian......... the works we do, are always the RESULT of the Faith that is Real.

Notice..

If God accepted our Works to save us or keep us saved...., then He is denying Jesus the Credit do Christ alone...for His Sacrifice on The Cross... that saves us.

Heretics do that, but God never will.

Listen..
Salvation is "the GIFT of Salvation" and you dont work for a Gift.......you only receive it based on it being GIVEN Freely... or its not a Gift.
 

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Faith leads to hearing and responding to the gospel message about Jesus Christ. Belief in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins makes us right with God. Through this acceptance we are sanctified to invite our temple to be filled with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit abides within us to lead us into the will of God. We must choose to follow the Spirit rather than our flesh or anything else. Those who follow the Spirit do the work of God, which can be called good, because God is good.

As for those who say they follow Christ, but do not obey him are liars. They follow other things. I believe God will work to correct us, where we are lacking until we are obedient. Yet it is also possible to abandon the faith entirely, as we still are creatures with free will.
 

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Do you know how the Bible describes FAITH?

"the substance of things hoped for, .. the evidence of things not seen"..

Like this...

Galatians 3:26...
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New Living Translation
For you are all children of God THROUGH FAITH in Christ Jesus.

English Standard Version
for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, THROUGH FAITH.

Berean Standard Bible
You are all sons of God THROUGH FAITH in Christ Jesus.

Berean Literal Bible
For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

King James Bible
For ye are all the children of God BY FAITH in Christ Jesus.

New King James Version
For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

New American Standard Bible
For you are all sons and daughters of God through Faith in Christ Jesus.

NASB 1995
For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

NASB 1977
For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

Legacy Standard Bible
For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

Amplified Bible
For you [who are born-again have been reborn from above—spiritually transformed, renewed, sanctified and] are all children of God [set apart for His purpose with full rights and privileges] through faith in Christ Jesus.

Christian Standard Bible
for through faith you are all sons of God in Christ Jesus.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
for you are all sons of God through Faith in Christ Jesus.

American Standard Version
For ye are all sons of God, through faith, in Christ Jesus.

Contemporary English Version
All of you are God's children because of your faith in Christ Jesus.

English Revised Version
For ye are all sons of God, through faith, in Christ Jesus.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
You are all God's children by BY BELIEVING in Christ Jesus.


International Standard Version
For all of you are God's children through faith in the Messiah Jesus.

NET Bible
For in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God through faith.

New Heart English Bible
For you are all sons of God, through faith in Christ Jesus.

Webster's Bible Translation
For ye are all children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Weymouth New Testament
You are all sons of God THROUGH FAITH in Christ Jesus;
 
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@Behold Salvation has nothing to do with how we behave after we are saved by God.
This sounds as if you are teaching that "Paul" taught that once a person is saved by grace that he can live a life virtually unchanged & live a life of sinning~~~ because they have been forgiven...
Is that what you are saying Behold? Is that not what you have written?
Should you be more careful in how you represent PAUL? Or do you teach that licentiousness ifs fine for the saved- Is licentiousness BEHAVIOR?

It is not what Paul taught at all. Would you care to clarify this careless statement? The Spirit of God in the believer transforms that person. It is God working in us. Our behavior matters to GOD- that is why His Spirit works in us. We are being made new. We come to Christ filthy, but are made to be holy by the Spirit. Does behavior matter for the saved according to Paul?

Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. --Colossians 3:5

For you know what commandments we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus. 3For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality; 4that each of you know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, 5not in lustful passion, like the Gentiles who do not know God; 6and that no man transgress and defraud his brother in the matter because the Lord is the avenger in all these things, just as we also told you before and solemnly warned you. 7For God has not called us for the purpose of impurity, but in sanctification. 8So, he who rejects this is not rejecting man but the God who gives His Holy Spirit to you. 1 Thes 4:2-8

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts, / nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. --1 Cor 6


For it is God’s will that you should be holy: You must abstain from sexual immorality; / each of you must know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, / not in lustful passion like the Gentiles who do not know God; 1 Thes 4:3-5

Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its desires. / Do not present the parts of your body to sin as instruments of wickedness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and present the parts of your body to Him as instruments of righteousness. Ro 6:12-13

The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery; / idolatry and sorcery; hatred, discord, jealousy, and rage; rivalries, divisions, factions, / and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. --Galatians 5:19-21

But among you, as is proper among the saints, there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed. / Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk, or crude joking, which are out of character, but rather thanksgiving. / For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure, or greedy person (that is, an idolater) has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Eph 5:3-5

For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. Ro 8:13

Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. / Instead, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the desires of the flesh. Ro 13

Flee from youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, together with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 2 Tim 2:22

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Ro 6:6

Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. Ro 6:13

Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? Ro 6:16


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This sounds as if you are teaching that "Paul" taught that once a person is saved by grace



Let me explain why our behaivor is not related to SALVATION.

Its like this.....our SALVATION is Jesus on the Cross..........not our behavior.

Understand?

So, that is why A Christian's behavior is not related to : SALVATION.
Its only a Christian's Faith in Christ that is related to God's Salvation.

Now, your DISCIPLESHIP.......that is your life given to God because you are saved, is all about your behavior, as this is where you "present your body as a living sacrifice to God".
But that is not your Salvation, that is your Discipleship.
 
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Let me explain why our behaivor is not related to SALVATION.

Its like this.....our SALVATION is Jesus on the Cross..........not our behavior.

Understand?

So, that is why A Christian's behavior is not related to : SALVATION.
Its only a Christian's Faith in Christ that is related to God's Salvation.

Now, your DISCIPLESHIP.......that is your life given to God because you are saved, is all about your behavior, as this is where you "present your body as a living sacrifice to God".
But that is not your Salvation, that is your Discipleship.
Behold, why do you always change the subject instead of addressing the problem?
You said this--

@Behold said- Salvation has nothing to do with how we behave after we are saved by God.
Our behavior after salvation does matter. I have given you the scriptures that prove it certainly does matter. You constantly post those CARELESS words and others above.
You said AFTER salvation behavior doesn't matter. That is absolute poison and the teaching of licentiousness.

If you were not speaking about discipleship, then you could have fooled me- discipleship IS what comes AFTER SALVATION.
I hope I have gotten through to you this time. We need to be careful of our word choices. It sounds as though you are a false teacher and I don't believe that you are, personally.. but the way you words things is just terrible! Words matter. Peace to you.
 
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Behold, why do you always change the subject instead of addressing the problem?
You said this--

Jesus is Salvation.

So, our behavior, does not affect this, at all.

Where our behavior comes into play, is regarding how we behave, after we have received God's Salvation.
So, this is our discipleship, not our Salvation.
 
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I think faith is the beginning. When we have faith in the words that leads us to God's grace we then know repentance is part of that.
Being God's spirit led us to understanding his good news , we trust and believe his word.
 

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This sounds as if you are teaching that "Paul" taught that once a person is saved by grace that he can live a life virtually unchanged & live a life of sinning~~~ because they have been forgiven...
Is that what you are saying Behold? Is that not what you have written?
Should you be more careful in how you represent PAUL? Or do you teach that licentiousness ifs fine for the saved- Is licentiousness BEHAVIOR?

It is not what Paul taught at all. Would you care to clarify this careless statement? The Spirit of God in the believer transforms that person. It is God working in us. Our behavior matters to GOD- that is why His Spirit works in us. We are being made new. We come to Christ filthy, but are made to be holy by the Spirit. Does behavior matter for the saved according to Paul?

Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. --Colossians 3:5

For you know what commandments we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus. 3For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality; 4that each of you know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, 5not in lustful passion, like the Gentiles who do not know God; 6and that no man transgress and defraud his brother in the matter because the Lord is the avenger in all these things, just as we also told you before and solemnly warned you. 7For God has not called us for the purpose of impurity, but in sanctification. 8So, he who rejects this is not rejecting man but the God who gives His Holy Spirit to you. 1 Thes 4:2-8

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts, / nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. --1 Cor 6


For it is God’s will that you should be holy: You must abstain from sexual immorality; / each of you must know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, / not in lustful passion like the Gentiles who do not know God; 1 Thes 4:3-5

Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its desires. / Do not present the parts of your body to sin as instruments of wickedness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and present the parts of your body to Him as instruments of righteousness. Ro 6:12-13

The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery; / idolatry and sorcery; hatred, discord, jealousy, and rage; rivalries, divisions, factions, / and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. --Galatians 5:19-21

But among you, as is proper among the saints, there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed. / Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk, or crude joking, which are out of character, but rather thanksgiving. / For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure, or greedy person (that is, an idolater) has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Eph 5:3-5

For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. Ro 8:13

Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. / Instead, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the desires of the flesh. Ro 13

Flee from youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, together with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 2 Tim 2:22

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Ro 6:6

Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. Ro 6:13

Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? Ro 6:16


Do you need more? Just ask.
"Salvation has nothing to do with how we behave after we are saved by God."

Jesus taught the opposite.

Go with God. Heretics won't hear you.
 

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Jesus is Salvation.

So, our behavior, does not affect this, at all.

Where our behavior comes into play, is regarding how we behave, after we have received God's Salvation.
So, this is our discipleship, not our Salvation.
Two things- and I am done with this ok?
First is--
ONLY a repentant heart goes to Jesus for salvation. A person who does not have a repentant heart sees no need for Him. Think about it.. a person who has no problem with their sins does not go to Christ. ONLY A person who SEES a problem in themselves does. That initial heart repentance is from GOD. It IS NOT A WORK by us. It is due to His kindness that leads us to repentance. The Father leads us to His Son for salvation.-“For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father. "John 6:44

ROMANS 2:4
Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?


Second is this--
Now you have stated these two polar opposites. I had to PULL the 2nd out of you. I knew it was IN THERE somewhere! Can you see the problem yet? I agree with your second statement-ONLY I really hope you will take notice of how we are to be careful with words.

"Salvation has nothing to do with how we behave after we are saved by God."
and now it is this--

Where our behavior comes into play, is regarding how we behave, after we have received God's Salvation.

Please be more careful of who you call a cult member and a liar..
I am a born again child of God. Saved by the grace of my Lord Jesus Christ not by works. I walk in the Spirit and put to death the sins of the flesh by the Spirit. I take no credit- it is God working in me- a sinner saved by grace.
Peace.
 
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Two things- and I am done with this ok?
First is--
ONLY a repentant heart goes to Jesus for salvation.


And that repentance you are posting about..... is to Trust in Christ. = Its to turn from unbelief to FAITH.

That's Real Repentance, that God is looking for, all over the earth, constantly.

Listen, Real Preachers like me dont "brow beat" sinners by telling them that they must sorry for their filthy sinful lives.........but instead we show them The Cross of Christ, we "preach the Cross"..... where eternal Forgiveness is found, and then the Holy Spirit opens the sinner's heart to this (Paul's Gospel) revelation, and some will put their faith in Christ, and others who have "come to the knowledge of the Truth"....will not......even tho they know its true.

One of the strangest Salvation stories ive personally known, is regarding a Famous Person who, wanted to be saved, but told God..

"im not coming to you, when im down and out, like most people do........i'll come to you once i get myself together and have my success back".......and that is what He did.

This is : Papa Don Schroeder.

How do i know this story, personally?
Its because i use to be the Station Operator at His "Christian Music" Radio Station for a couple of Years., when i was in the States in the late '80's , and was a young Preacher.



A person who does not have a repentant heart sees no need for Him.

Only the Holy Spirit can open the heart of a Sinner, so that they SEE their need for forgiveness, and Salvation that God offers through The Cross of Christ.
And from that "enlightenment", they have the choice to put their faith in Christ or to wait, or refuse.