The Four Stages of Mankind's Redemption:

[covenantee]

Yes I do not do well with nonsensical
made up phrases. You 'd be amazed at how much I comprehend when it is formatted in an understandable way!

You like to lecture about your grammatical excellence, but you don't know what adjectives and nouns are.

Keep those lectures coming.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yes I do not do well with nonsensical
made up phrases. You 'd be amazed at how much I comprehend when it is formatted in an understandable way!

Still waiting for you to show from your 1700 years of orthodox scholarship. You have grossly failed to do so now.

I guess that would be you! I know no MUTILATE, DANGLING, SEMI COVENANT- AS YOU MADE UP.

But I would prefer you quote some of your 1700 years of orthodox scholars that the New Covenant is completely fulfilled!

If it was completely fuflilled by Jesus. Then how can you be part of it as it was fulfilled nearly 2000 years ago.

When someone says it was completely fulfilled they are not saying that it ended nearly 2,000 years ago. You're making a strawman argument there. They just mean it was completely established and put into effect by the blood of Christ so that from that point on salvation by way of the new covenant that Christ established was available to all and all who put their faith in Him are then saved and have their sins forgiven under the new covenant.

 

[covenantee]

When someone says it was completely fulfilled they are not saying that it ended nearly 2,000 years ago. You're making a strawman argument there. They just mean it was completely established and put into effect by the blood of Christ so that from that point on salvation by way of the new covenant that Christ established was available to all and all who put their faith in Him are then saved and have their sins forgiven under the new covenant.

Amen bro.

But he doesn't believe it.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Amen bro.

But he doesn't believe it.

Bro, it's shocking to me for any Christian to deny that Jesus fully established the new covenant and put it into effect by way of His shed blood almost 2,000 years ago. I can't even wrap my mind around that at all. That's a fundamental Christian concept that is being flat out denied. I don't get it.

 

[covenantee]

Bro, it's shocking to me for any Christian to deny that Jesus fully established the new covenant and put it into effect by way of His shed blood almost 2,000 years ago. I can't even wrap my mind around that at all. That's a fundamental Christian concept that is being flat out denied. I don't get it.

Couldn't agree more. It's a deplorable indication of the extent to which Darby/Scofield dispenism has apostasized and defiled the Church from within.

Don't know about you, but I'm of at least some persuasion that the glorious Church without spot, wrinkle, blemish, or stain of Ephesians 5:27 is still some considerable time and distance away.

Christ must cleanse it before He returns for it.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Couldn't agree more. It's a deplorable indication of the extent to which Darby/Scofield dispenism has apostasized and defiled the Church from within.

Agree.

Don't know about you, but I'm of at least some persuasion that the glorious Church without spot, wrinkle, blemish, or stain of Ephesians 5:27 is still some considerable time and distance away.

Christ must cleanse it before He returns for it.

Are you talking about those who are in the church becoming more mature in the faith and growing towards sanctification before Jesus returns?

If we're talking about the whole church right now then, yes, it would seem like we're nowhere near being at that point. But, I think what can happen to speed up the process, and what I actually believe has already started to happen, is that those who are mature and growing in the faith can continue to grow and become more Christ-like while others who are not growing, and instead are regressing, end up falling away. And their falling away actually removes some of the spots, wrinkles, blemishes and stains from the church that Ephesians 5:27 is talking about and actually makes the church as a whole closer to the glorious church without spot or wrinkle that Jesus wants to be able to present to the Father.

 

[covenantee]

Agree.


Are you talking about those who are in the church becoming more mature in the faith and growing towards sanctification before Jesus returns?

If we're talking about the whole church right now then, yes, it would seem like we're nowhere near being at that point. But, I think what can happen to speed up the process, and what I actually believe has already started to happen, is that those who are mature and growing in the faith can continue to grow and become more Christ-like while others who are not growing, and instead are regressing, end up falling away. And their falling away actually removes some of the spots, wrinkles, blemishes and stains from the church that Ephesians 5:27 is talking about and actually makes the church as a whole closer to the glorious church without spot or wrinkle that Jesus wants to be able to present to the Father.

Agree.