The Four Stages of Mankind's Redemption:

[covenantee]

Yes I do not do well with nonsensical
made up phrases. You 'd be amazed at how much I comprehend when it is formatted in an understandable way!

You like to lecture about your grammatical excellence, but you don't know what adjectives and nouns are.

Keep those lectures coming.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yes I do not do well with nonsensical
made up phrases. You 'd be amazed at how much I comprehend when it is formatted in an understandable way!

Still waiting for you to show from your 1700 years of orthodox scholarship. You have grossly failed to do so now.

I guess that would be you! I know no MUTILATE, DANGLING, SEMI COVENANT- AS YOU MADE UP.

But I would prefer you quote some of your 1700 years of orthodox scholars that the New Covenant is completely fulfilled!

If it was completely fuflilled by Jesus. Then how can you be part of it as it was fulfilled nearly 2000 years ago.

When someone says it was completely fulfilled they are not saying that it ended nearly 2,000 years ago. You're making a strawman argument there. They just mean it was completely established and put into effect by the blood of Christ so that from that point on salvation by way of the new covenant that Christ established was available to all and all who put their faith in Him are then saved and have their sins forgiven under the new covenant.

 

[covenantee]

When someone says it was completely fulfilled they are not saying that it ended nearly 2,000 years ago. You're making a strawman argument there. They just mean it was completely established and put into effect by the blood of Christ so that from that point on salvation by way of the new covenant that Christ established was available to all and all who put their faith in Him are then saved and have their sins forgiven under the new covenant.

Amen bro.

But he doesn't believe it.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Amen bro.

But he doesn't believe it.

Bro, it's shocking to me for any Christian to deny that Jesus fully established the new covenant and put it into effect by way of His shed blood almost 2,000 years ago. I can't even wrap my mind around that at all. That's a fundamental Christian concept that is being flat out denied. I don't get it.

 

[covenantee]

Bro, it's shocking to me for any Christian to deny that Jesus fully established the new covenant and put it into effect by way of His shed blood almost 2,000 years ago. I can't even wrap my mind around that at all. That's a fundamental Christian concept that is being flat out denied. I don't get it.

Couldn't agree more. It's a deplorable indication of the extent to which Darby/Scofield dispenism has apostasized and defiled the Church from within.

Don't know about you, but I'm of at least some persuasion that the glorious Church without spot, wrinkle, blemish, or stain of Ephesians 5:27 is still some considerable time and distance away.

Christ must cleanse it before He returns for it.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Couldn't agree more. It's a deplorable indication of the extent to which Darby/Scofield dispenism has apostasized and defiled the Church from within.

Agree.

Don't know about you, but I'm of at least some persuasion that the glorious Church without spot, wrinkle, blemish, or stain of Ephesians 5:27 is still some considerable time and distance away.

Christ must cleanse it before He returns for it.

Are you talking about those who are in the church becoming more mature in the faith and growing towards sanctification before Jesus returns?

If we're talking about the whole church right now then, yes, it would seem like we're nowhere near being at that point. But, I think what can happen to speed up the process, and what I actually believe has already started to happen, is that those who are mature and growing in the faith can continue to grow and become more Christ-like while others who are not growing, and instead are regressing, end up falling away. And their falling away actually removes some of the spots, wrinkles, blemishes and stains from the church that Ephesians 5:27 is talking about and actually makes the church as a whole closer to the glorious church without spot or wrinkle that Jesus wants to be able to present to the Father.

 

[covenantee]

Agree.


Are you talking about those who are in the church becoming more mature in the faith and growing towards sanctification before Jesus returns?

If we're talking about the whole church right now then, yes, it would seem like we're nowhere near being at that point. But, I think what can happen to speed up the process, and what I actually believe has already started to happen, is that those who are mature and growing in the faith can continue to grow and become more Christ-like while others who are not growing, and instead are regressing, end up falling away. And their falling away actually removes some of the spots, wrinkles, blemishes and stains from the church that Ephesians 5:27 is talking about and actually makes the church as a whole closer to the glorious church without spot or wrinkle that Jesus wants to be able to present to the Father.

Agree.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You like to lecture about your grammatical excellence, but you don't know what adjectives and nouns are.

Keep those lectures coming.

Still waiting for you to cite 1700 years of orthodox scholarship.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Still waiting for you to cite 1700 years of orthodox scholarship.

We're still waiting for the scales to fall off your eyes so that you can join us in the new covenant church that has been saved by Christ's blood of the new covenant.

 

[covenantee]

Still waiting for you to cite 1700 years of orthodox scholarship.

Where does Bro. Arnold Fruchtenbaum say that the New Covenant is unfulfilled?

Verbatim quote, source, date.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Where does Bro. Arnold Fruchtenbaum say that the New Covenant is unfulfilled?

Verbatim quote, source, date.

Still waiting for you to cite your 1700 years of "orthodox scholarship" that shows the New covenant is completely fulfilled.

 

[covenantee]

Still waiting for you to cite your 1700 years of "orthodox scholarship" that shows the New covenant is completely fulfilled.

Bro. Arnold agrees.
"At this point some confusion has arisen as to the relationship of the Church to the New Covenant, because, according to Jeremiah, the covenant is made, not with the Church, but with Israel. Nevertheless, a number of Scriptures connect the New Covenant with the Church (Mat. 26:28; Mk. 14:24; Lk. 22:14-20; I Cor. 11:25; II Cor. 3:6; Heb. 7:22; 8:6-13; 9:15; 10:16, 29; 12:24; 13:20)."

That is an indeed impressive list of Scriptures demonstrating the connection of the New Covenant with the Church.

In obdurate denial, you continue to claim that the New Covenant is connected only with Israel.

Bro. Arnold calls you out.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Bro. Arnold agrees.
"At this point some confusion has arisen as to the relationship of the Church to the New Covenant, because, according to Jeremiah, the covenant is made, not with the Church, but with Israel. Nevertheless, a number of Scriptures connect the New Covenant with the Church (Mat. 26:28; Mk. 14:24; Lk. 22:14-20; I Cor. 11:25; II Cor. 3:6; Heb. 7:22; 8:6-13; 9:15; 10:16, 29; 12:24; 13:20)."

That is an indeed impressive list of Scriptures demonstrating the connection of the New Covenant with the Church.

In obdurate denial, you continue to claim that the New Covenant is connected only with Israel.

Bro. Arnold calls you out.

Will reply to this when you cite some of your 1700 years of "orthodox scholars" declaring the New Covenant has been completely fulfilled in Jesus.

Dodging this is a fail on your part!

 

[covenantee]

Will reply to this when you cite some of your 1700 years of "orthodox scholars" declaring the New Covenant has been completely fulfilled in Jesus.

Dodging this is a fail on your part!

Jesus Himself could cite them and you wouldn't believe Him.

He has cited Himself and you don't believe Him.

Bro. Arnold, your mentor, calls you out.

Why don't you believe him?

Additionally, please provide a link to the source of your covenantless claptrap.

I want to identify the cult.

Is it you?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Jesus Himself could cite them and you wouldn't believe Him.

He has cited Himself and you don't believe Him.

Bro. Arnold, your mentor, calls you out.

Why don't you believe him?

Additionally, please provide a link to the source of your covenantless claptrap.

I want to identify the cult.

Is it you?

Do you need crutches for that lame excuse as to why you will not defend your position?

Once you show me your 1700 years of orthodox scholars who say the new covenant was completely fuflilled by Jesus as you have so proudly declared, I will answer about Arnold.

As I do not have any covnenant claptrap I need no cite for something I do not hold to.

 

[covenantee]

Do you need crutches for that lame excuse as to why you will not defend your position?

Once you show me your 1700 years of orthodox scholars who say the new covenant was completely fuflilled by Jesus as you have so proudly declared, I will answer about Arnold.

As I do not have any covnenant claptrap I need no cite for something I do not hold to.

I'm unable to defend my position to your satisfaction, and you're unable to defend your position to my satisfaction.

So what is your answer about Arnold?

And why are you unable to provide a link to anything supporting your position?

So far, you're a confirmed one man cult.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I'm unable to defend my position to your satisfaction, and you're unable to defend your position to my satisfaction.

So what is your answer about Arnold?

And why are you unable to provide a link to anything supporting your position?

So far, you're a confirmed one man cult.

Well as you have yet to try to defend your assertion that Jesus completely fulfilled the New covenant and that is backed by 1700 years of orthodox scholarship, How can I know if will satisy or not. You just keep refusing to defend it.

Once you answer your claim for the above assertion we will talk about my proofs. Even from Fruchtenbaum.

 

[covenantee]

Well as you have yet to try to defend your assertion that Jesus completely fulfilled the New covenant and that is backed by 1700 years of orthodox scholarship, How can I know if will satisy or not. You just keep refusing to defend it.

Once you answer your claim for the above assertion we will talk about my proofs. Even from Fruchtenbaum.

Yup, one-man cult.

Thanks for the confirmation.

You have no proofs, especially from Bro. Arnold.

He's repudiated and humiliated you.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Yup, one-man cult.

Thanks for the confirmation.

You have no proofs, especially from Bro. Arnold.

He's repudiated and humiliated you.

YOu 'll never know cuz you are dishonest. You make claims and refuse to defend them.

 

[covenantee]

YOu 'll never know cuz you are dishonest. You make claims and refuse to defend them.

More confirmation.

So defend your claims about Bro. Arnold.