Seems like you are trying to justify why you can be rude back - ie name calling. It’s not a fruit of the spirit.
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Seems like you are trying to justify why you can be rude back - ie name calling. It’s not a fruit of the spirit.
Spiritual Israelite
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Mind your own business. If I want to show someone what it's like to be talked to the way they were talking to me, I can do that.
Dan Clarkston
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Jesus told the pharisees they were of their father the devil and he called Herod a fox (sissy)
Was Jesus experiencing issues with His walk in the Spirit too?
You believe childish mockery is the same as Jesus, the lamb of God, calling the Pharisees sons of devils and Herod a fox?
It’s a public forum, if you don’t like me calling you out on your rude behavior, ie name calling, report me
Spiritual Israelite
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Was Elijah being childish when he mocked the prophets of Baal after their false god failed to come through for them?
1 Kings 18:25 And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal, Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your gods, but put no fire under. 26 And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped upon the altar which was made. 27 And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.
Spiritual Israelite
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LOL. No, I think I'd prefer to just tell you directly to mind your own business instead of whining to someone and reporting you to them. But, by all means, continue on in your holier than thou act if that's what you want to do.
I hope that if ever lose my temper and partake in childish mockery. Someone calls me out on it.
Spiritual Israelite
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Spiritual Israelite
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Was my question too hard? Was Elijah being childish when he mocked the prophets of Baal?
Was my question about why you called me out instead of calling him out for saying to me: "if you would start actually using your brain, that would be awesome" too hard, also? Is it because you are a Calvinist and are taking his side? Do you think he is offended if someone talks to him the same way he talks to others? That would be rather strange if he is.
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Hm. Well you do it in this very post. Your whole post is saturated with it:
No. <smile>
No. <smile>
No. <smile>
No. <smile>
No. <smile> But He did hate Esau, as He Himself stated. And Esau is representative there of a whole lot of people. So we have to come to grips with that somehow... <smile> Yes, God is love, as you say, but He is also capable of hate. So what does that say about love and hate and their... supposed... opposition to each other? <smile>
No. <smile>
No. <smile>
Ah, so that's why you've spent so much time here arguing... I see... <smile>
The only reason there is a "five points of Calvinism" is that each one of Jacobus Arminius's five "objections," as they were called, were refuted from Calvin's far greater exposition of systematic theology. John Calvin's full body of work goes far, far beyond just those five points. But in answer to your question, the point is that Arminius's chief aim was to refute what Calvin said about those five things. So no, it's not possible that both belief systems contain some truth because they are diametrically opposed on those matters; this was Arminius's intent. To state it logically, 'A' and 'Not A' cannot both be true at the same time. And to you question about your self-contradictive statements, it's generally because you hold to at least a little of both.
I think, from some of the things you've said, Spiritual Israelite, that if you did not have such an aversion to Calvinism, you would realize you're more ~ maybe far more ~ Calvinist than you even now know. <smile>
No. <smile>
Hmmm... I might state that slightly differently, but yes, man is required to do these things, sure. The way I would say it is, God's grace comes to us initially free, but certainly demands that we respond accordingly. But, I would then quickly say that because of the Holy Spirit's continuing work in us, we will respond accordingly. Philippians 2:13 again...
Uh... what? Faith is something we are responsible to do? Let's substitute in the Biblical definition of faith from Hebrews 11:1 and see if that makes any sense... <smile>:
"The assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen, is something we are responsible to do."
When put that way, isn't the implication of that that we assure and convict ourselves? Which is to say that we work this in ourselves, which is to make faith out to be a work of man? No, God gives us this assurance, and the Spirit convicts us of these things, which I think ~ I think ~ you agree with. We are required to act on the faith we've been given, for sure ~ which, again, I think... I think... you agree with. So, maybe that's what you're trying to say...?
So I'm going to cut out a couple of phrases set off by commas in what you said above: So you said here, "I do not see faith as being the type of works that do not save us." I have a hard time making any sense of that comment. Are you saying that Calvinists do see faith as a work that saves us? If so, that's absolutely not true; any Calvinist worth his salt would say ~ as I have many times ~ that faith is not a work at all but the gift of God (Ephesians 2:8)... a gift of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:9). By definition (Hebrews 11:1) it has to be; the assurance and conviction can only be given by God by His Spirit.
Ugh. Sorry. No. I mean here's the thing, Spiritual Israelite. And I have said this many, many times, not only to you but also to others, in this and other threads: No one ~ denies that we choose, and choose freely, one way or the other. No Calvinist, not John Calvin himself... no one. But it's not really about our choosing or our will. At any given time, our will always depends on our heart... who we are at our core, the spirit in us. This is what always drives the will.
Now, that should be enough; if you can accept that, then it might still be hard, but that should start the dominoes falling, so to speak... but I'll continue... <smile>
The incontrovertible fact is that someone... anyone... will choose to repent and believe only if... taking this language from the prophet Ezekiel (11:19-20; 36:26-27) again... only if God first gives him or her a new heart, puts within him or her a new spirit, removes the heart of stone from his or her flesh and gives him or her a heart of flesh, puts His Spirit within him or her. This is what happens when one is born again of the Spirit. And faith, which, again, is God's assurance and conviction by the Spirit, is the vehicle through which this happens (Ephesians 2:8). In this way, we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them, as Paul says in Ephesians 2:10. As a result of that, we are then a new creation, and yes, we choose to repent and believe, because of this newness of life.
Now, back to Acts 16 and John 6, which you cited above. In both cases, do you not see a desire in the... question askers... to be saved (Acts 16:30) and to do the works of God, to have the bread that saves (John 6)? They don't quite get it, obviously, kind of like Nicodemus didn't quite get what Jesus was saying about being born again in John 3). But I way they want to do these things because they have been given this new spirit by God; this is why they know they need these things, why they want to do these things... otherwise they would think it all foolishness,
Grace and peace to you.
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In the sense that God made some for noble use and others for common use, I do, too. Yes, He only chose some to be conformed to the image of His son before the foundation of the world (they are the wheat) and others He did not (they are the tares). It was that way from before the foundation of the world, and it will never change.
However, we are all by nature ~ from birth, even conception ~ children of wrath (Ephesians 2:3). But some are born again of the Spirit... So in that sense, there are some "children of wrath" that, from the point of being born again of the Spirit, are no longer children of wrath but in Christ Jesus and children of the living God.
I'm... pretty sure we're all on the same page, here, Scott. At least I... hope so... <smile>
Grace and peace to you.
Yeah, so I said, "if you would start actually using your brain, that would be awesome"
And somehow that's equivalent to and deserving of being called "incredibly dishonest" (so a liar, Post 581), "holier than thou" (Post 583), "evil" (Post 585), "dummy" (Post 589)... (not an exhaustive list)...?
Hmmmm... <chuckles> I mean, it wasn't the nicest way to put it, admittedly, but actually, what I said was a compliment, really. I mean, to exhort someone to use his or her brain is to obviously have already made the implicit statement/acknowledgment that he or she has one and is capable of using it well, right? <chuckles>
Just having a little fun... <smile>
Grace and peace to you, claninja. Interesting moniker...
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