The Rapture and the Tribulation - Short

[The Light]

Nope nope nope.

You just took 3.5 years out of the 70th week by inserting it. I would think SI will applaud those historicist "discoveries"
There is ZERO of tge 70th week transpired.
THAT IS THE MYSTERY.
WE are in the "pause"
If you are gonna remove 3.5 years out of Jacob's trouble, then what about the other 2000 years?
What do you do with that?

I know this is not what you have been taught or understand, I'm talking about what the scripture says.

There are only 3.5 years left in the 70th week of Daniel.

Scripture is very clear. From the time of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem to Messiah the prince there are 69 weeks. After 69 weeks the Messiah is cut off. That is when He is crucified. That is 3.5 years after the 69 weeks.

I don't care what everyone has been taught. I don't care if every prophecy expert in the world disagrees, All I care about is what the scripture says.

There is a final week that will begin when a covenant with many is made. The AC will set up the AOD in the midst of the week.

Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The Church will be on earth when the covenant with many is made as Noah was not sealed in ark 7 days before the flood. The first day was spent loading the animals and we don't know what day the Lord shut the door on the ark.

What we also know is that the Church will be raptured before the final 3.5 years as the 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel. God will turn His attention to the people of Daniel after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.

The 70th week BEGINS WITH JACOBS TROUBLE.

The 70th week began when Messiah the prince showed up 69 weeks after the decree to rebuild Jerusalem.

After 69 weeks the Messiah is cut off............3.5 years later.

The 70th week begins at the rapture

Absolutely not. There is no scripture that says this. The 70th week of Daniel began when Messiah the prince showed up 69 weeks after the decree to rebuild Jerusalem. When Messiah was cut off, so was the 70th week.

Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The 70th week begins at the white horse rider.

There is only 3.5 year remaining in the 70th week. Those 3.5 years will year will begin when the AOD is set up.

The Church will be raptured after the covenant with many is made. When exactly we don't know. After the rapture the first seal is opened beginning with the rider on the white horse. Then the seals for the other three riders are opened in order. The fifth seal is the great tribulation. That is when the AOD is set up. At the 6th seal, Jesus returns for the second harvest as the great tribulation is over. Then the 7th seal is opened and the wrath of God begins.

7 yr trib.

There is no 7 yr tribulation.

You are simply getting clever with all your additives.

I go by what the scripture says, not by what has been taught that is wrong.

 

[The Light]

The ac WITH a BOW.
THE AC IS YOUR "COVENANT WITH MANY "
GOD said I will hang my bow in the sky.
Bow is covenant.

The rainbow in the sky has nothing to do with Antichrist that carries a bow. He carries a bow because he is the false savior. It is the religion out of Babylon that has fooled the world. You should probably understand that Shintoism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, etc., etc., etc., etc., are all based on the religion of Babylon. All are looking for their false savior.

That false savior that has a bow in his hand will be the 7th king..........who will cause the world to worship the eighth king, Nimrod.

 

[Douggg]

Scripture is very clear. From the time of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem to Messiah the prince there are 69 weeks. After 69 weeks the Messiah is cut off. That is when He is crucified. That is 3.5 years after the 69 weeks.

The scripture does not say that the messiah would be cutoff at 69 1/2 weeks.

Here is what the scriptures say...

verse 25 - 7 weeks + 62 weeks unto messiah.
verse 26 -after the 62 weeks, the messiah would be cutoff. Not 1/2 week after 62 weeks.

For the passover week that Jesus would be crucified (John 11:55, John 12:12), Jesus arrived in Jerusalem, riding a donkey, hailed as the king of Israel that comes in the name of the Lord. John 12:12-15. Four days later Jesus was crucified - cutoff - as God's passover Lamb.

So Jesus arrived at 7weeks +62 weeks. And was cutoff essentially the same time he arrived. 4 days difference between his arrival and his being cutoff. The 70th week is still future.

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

 

[WitnessX]

Strong's Greek: 1238. διάδημα (diadéma) -- Diadem, Crown diadéma crown worn Rev 12:3, 13:1, 19:12

Strong's Greek: 4735. στέφανος (stephanos) -- Crown stephanos found 18 times, all referring to the crown of life.

In 1 Corinthians 9:25, Paul uses the imagery of a στέφανος to describe the imperishable crown that believers strive for, contrasting it with the perishable wreaths awarded in athletic games: "Everyone who competes in the games trains with strict discipline. They do it for a crown that is perishable, but we do it for a crown that is imperishable."

you’re simply wrong or purposefully trying to mislead others.

Revelation 6:2 - The First Seal: The White Horse you need to look at those cross references.

specifically the lack of mention in that text about arrows or a quiver and its connection to Isaiah 49:2

Isaiah 49:2
He made My mouth like a sharp sword; He hid Me in the shadow of His hand. He made Me like a polished arrow; He hid Me in His quiver.

 

[Douggg]

Strong's Greek: 1238. διάδημα (diadéma) -- Diadem, Crown diadéma crown worn Rev 12:3, 13:1, 19:12

The word is for crowns (plural).

 

[WitnessX]

The word is for crowns (plural).

Cleary they are different types of crowns. Rev 6:2 isn’t the antichrist, he is the forerunner to Jesus Christs second coming, making the way straight, just as John the Baptist was there to make the way straight. In the spirit of Elijah. Nothing new under the sun, the Bible repeats itself both in typologies and events.

40 days flood, supposed to be 40 days in the wilderness, but turned into 40 years because the Israelites couldn’t leave Egypt behind. Jonah 3 days in the belly, Jesus 3 days in the heart of the earth. Jonah, preceding Peter in bringing the message to the heathens, both going through Joppa etc.

White is never associated with evil or the antichrist(s). It is a foreshadowing of Jesus Christs return on a white horse, with a sword. The rider on the whitehorse with a bow will will straighten the way.

now who is the arrow. Isaiah 49 tells us.

keep watch, don’t fall asleep, Jesus Christ warned us in the Garden….three times.

 

[Douggg]

Cleary they are different types of crowns. Rev 6:2 isn’t the antichrist, he is the forerunner to Jesus Christs second coming, making the way straight, just as John the Baptist was there to make the way straight. In the spirit of Elijah. Nothing new under the sun, the Bible repeats itself both in typologies and events.

Revelation 6:2, the rider on the white horse is a messianic figure (white horse). The rider is the Antichrist person who the Jews will mistakenly think is their long awaited king of Israel messiah.

The crown that the person will be given is that of being the king of Israel.

He will be anointed the king of Israel by the false prophet, who the Jews will initially will think is Elijah. The Jews (Judaism) have a custom of setting a plate at their Passover meal to symbolize their expectation of Elijah to come and be a part of the beginning of the messianic age.

 

[WitnessX]

Revelation 6:2, the rider on the white horse is a messianic figure (white horse). The rider is the Antichrist person who the Jews will mistakenly think is the long awaited king of Israel messiah.

The crown that the person will be given is that of being the king of Israel.

He will be anointed the king of Israel by the false prophet, who the Jews will initially will think is Elijah. The Jews (Judaism) have a custom of setting a plate at their Passover meal to symbolize their expectation of Elijah to come and be a part of the beginning of the messianic age.



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I agree to disagree, God Bless.

 

[Douggg]

I agree to disagree, God Bless.

Okay. God Bless.

 

[The Light]

The scripture does not say that the messiah would be cutoff at 69 1/2 weeks.

Here is what the scriptures say...

verse 25 - 7 weeks + 62 weeks unto messiah.
verse 26 -after the 62 weeks, the messiah would be cutoff. Not 1/2 week after 62 weeks.

For the passover week that Jesus would be crucified (John 11:55, John 12:12), Jesus arrived in Jerusalem, riding a donkey, hailed as the king of Israel that comes in the name of the Lord. John 12:12-15. Four days later Jesus was crucified - cutoff - as God's passover Lamb.

So Jesus arrived at 7weeks +62 weeks. And was cutoff essentially the same time he arrived. 4 days difference between his arrival and his being cutoff. The 70th week is still future.

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

I believe the calculation you are using has Jesus dying in the year 33AD. However, Jesus did not die in the year 33AD, He died in 30AD.

Jesus is baptized by John the Baptist in the year 27AD and is identified as the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. He is cut off in the year 30AD.

 

[WitnessX]

I believe the calculation you are using has Jesus dying in the year 33AD. However, Jesus did not die in the year 33AD, He died in 30AD.

Jesus is baptized by John the Baptist in the year 27AD and is identified as the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. He is cut off in the year 30AD.

False, Dead Sea scroll records precisely point to 28/29AD as John’s baptismal of Jesus Christ. As does Luke 3:1. Your math and understanding is plain false Or deliberate.

John the Baptist knew Jesus was coming, he wasn’t just baptizing in the Jordan river for no reason. He was from Qumran/Damascus (not Syria either), ate locusts and honey. Your history is flawed.

 

[Douggg]

I believe the calculation you are using has Jesus dying in the year 33AD. However, Jesus did not die in the year 33AD, He died in 30AD.

Jesus is baptized by John the Baptist in the year 27AD and is identified as the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. He is cut off in the year 30AD.

No, I did not base anything in my post on calendar years.

Jesus was cutoff 4 days after arriving in Jerusalem, riding a donkey, hailed as the king of Israel who comes in the name of the Lord in John 12:9-15.

One of the reasons so many people believed him to be the king of Israel messiah was that Jesus had resurrected Lazarus. They came to Jerusalem not only to see Jesus, but to see for themself that Lazarus had indeed been raised from being dead.

The feast in verse 12 is referring to the Passover week. Also, in John 11:55.

9 Much people of the Jews therefore knew that he was there: and they came not for Jesus' sake only, but that they might see Lazarus also, whom he had raised from the dead.

10 But the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death;

11 Because that by reason of him many of the Jews went away, and believed on Jesus.

12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,

13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

14 And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written,

15 Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt.

If you would read through John 11 again, you will see that the religious leaders started plotting Jesus death because he had brought Lazarus back to life from the grave. Read John 11:45-55.

The arrival of the messiah in Daniel 9 and his being cutoff is packed into the Passover week.

 

[The Light]

False, Dead Sea scroll records precisely point to 29AD as John’s baptismal of Jesus Christ. As does Luke 3:1. Your math and understanding is plain false Or deliberate.

I've been on the other side of this argument and made the same accusation to someone. Needless to say, I found out I was wrong.

I don't know anything about the dead sea scrolls.

So what year did Herod the Great die?

 

[The Light]

No, I did not base anything in my post on calendar years.

Jesus was cutoff 4 days after arriving in Jerusalem, riding a donkey, hailed as the king of Israel who comes in the name of the Lord in John 12:9-15.

One of the reasons so many people believed him to be the king of Israel messiah was that Jesus had resurrected Lazarus. They came to Jerusalem not only to see Jesus, but to see for themself that Lazarus had indeed been raised from being dead.

The feast in verse 12 is referring to the Passover week. Also, in John 11:55.

9 Much people of the Jews therefore knew that he was there: and they came not for Jesus' sake only, but that they might see Lazarus also, whom he had raised from the dead.

10 But the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death;

11 Because that by reason of him many of the Jews went away, and believed on Jesus.

12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,

13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

14 And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written,

15 Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt.

If you would read through John 11 again, you will see that the religious leaders started plotting Jesus death because he had brought Lazarus back to life from the grave. Read John 11:45-55.

The arrival of the messiah in Daniel 9 and his being cutoff is packed into the Passover week.

As I said, that calculation has Jesus arriving and dying in the year 33AD.