IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

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David in NJ

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Dear readers, this is apparently Christ's first coming, to resurrect and bring home His bride the church.

Acts 1:
11. Which also said, Ye men of Galilee. why stand ye gazing up into Heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into Heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen Him go into Heaven.

1 Thessalonians 4:
16. For the Lord Himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Revelation 6:
9. And when He had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of GOD, and for the testimony which they held:
10. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11. And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Revelation 20:
4. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgement was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that
were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of GOD, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reign with Christ a thousand years.
5. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.



Then, this is His second coming to wage war with the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies on earth.

Revelation 16:
13. And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to battle of that great day of GOD Almighty.
16. And he gathered them together into a place called in Hebrew tongue Armageddon.


Revelation 19:
11. And I saw Heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and He(Christ) that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He doth judge and make war.
14. And the armies which were in Heaven followed Him(Christ) upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
19. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him(Christ) that sat on the horse, and against His army.


Ironically our opposition see and see but unable to see the truth, and moreover hostile.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ
Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

His First Coming has been FULFILLED = Dies on the Cross and Rise on the 3rd Day

His Second Coming is to gather His Elect, which is the Bride of Christ = Matt ch24 , 1 & 2nd Thess , 1 Cor ch15 , Revelation

After the Elect are gathered, then Christ pours down His Wrath = Revelation 6:10-16

I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!
For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
 

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Ahem...Rev 14:14 is not the rapture of 1 thes4, nor can it possibly be the second coming of Rev 19.
( make you a file named " the impossibility and goofiness of the " one coming" lie)
Subtitle it ...(the verses those teachers failed to mention)
So not only are you wrong, you have a doctrine that is impossible.

Your biggest mistake is your starting place.
A hatred of the Jews, and total displacement of God's plan, and a hatred and contempt of pretribbers.
So that is why you can not make a post without name calling, lying B g about my sources, and uncontrolled mocking.

You followed the wrong people, they mislead you, and left you in a sour nasty state.

Oh, I see how this works:
You take a verse from Revelation — chapter 14 — rip it from context, assign it a meaning Paul never gave it, claim it's not the Second Coming or the rapture, and then scream "gotcha" like a playground prophet?

No. We're done playing your Scofield shell game.

You’re not right.
You’re not deep.
You’re not biblical.
You're just parroting a jigsaw puzzle theology taped together with prophecy charts and fear-mongering fiction.

Let’s set the record straight:

Your Scofield Starting Point Is the Real Problem.

Your theology doesn’t start with Jesus.
It starts with Zionism, timelines, and a fantasy about two peoples of God.
You read the Bible like a conspiracy theorist with a red string board labeled “God’s Plan for Israel” — and Jesus is just a footnote.

But Paul doesn’t start there.
Jesus doesn’t start there.
The Gospel doesn’t start there.
It starts with the Cross.
And everything — and I mean everything — must pass through it. Bloodlines, covenants, temples, promises — all bow to the King who bled and rose.

Hebrews 9:28 still says what you pretend it doesn’t:

“Christ… will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him.”

Second time.
Not second-a and second-b.
Not “rapture-lite” followed by “actual coming.”
Just one return — and it’s not divided between “Bride” and “Elect.”
There is one people of God: those in Christ.

Let’s talk about your biggest mistake:

“You start with hatred of the Jews.”

Wrong.

How could I hate Jews…
…when I follow the King of the Jews?
When I’m grafted into the true olive tree by His blood?
When I know what the Bible says — that followers of Christ ARE the real Jews?

“He is not a Jew who is one outwardly… but he is a Jew who is one inwardly.” — Romans 2:28–29

You want to talk about “hatred of Jews”?

Then let’s talk about who Paul says the real Jews are:

Not those with the bloodline.
Not those waving a flag.
Not those quoting the Talmud.
But those whose hearts have been circumcised by the Spirit — those who belong to Jesus Christ.

“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed.” — Galatians 3:29

So let’s be brutally honest:

You’re defending false Jews.

You’re glorifying a nation in unbelief.
You’re lifting up a people who reject the King of the Jews and despise His Cross.

That’s not honoring Israel.
That’s siding with the synagogue of Satan.

“They say they are Jews and are not, but lie — and are a synagogue of Satan.” — Revelation 2:9

What we hate is not Israel.
We hate a lie that dares hand out covenant status to those who have rejected the Covenant-Maker.

We hate a theology that tramples the Cross, bypasses Jesus, and turns unbelief into a prophetic virtue.

We hate the Scofield scam that teaches there are two peoples of God — one saved by blood, the other by faith — when Scripture says there’s only one name under Heaven by which we must be saved.

We don’t hate "Jews".

We hate false doctrine.

We hate the spiritual apartheid that says Gentile believers are second-class citizens while a Christ-rejecting nation is supposedly “chosen.”

We hate that the very people of God — the Body of Christ — are slandered while unbelieving Israel is exalted as if Jesus never came.

No — we don’t hate Jews.

We are the Jews.
The true, spiritual seed.
The remnant called out by grace.
The New Covenant sons and daughters of Abraham.
The ones washed in the blood of the Lamb.

“They are not all Israel who are of Israel.” — Romans 9:6
“The children of the promise are counted as the seed.” — Romans 9:8

You’re not defending Israel.
You’re defending unbelief in a yarmulke and calling it “God’s plan.”

Repent.
And stop trying to resurrect a covenant God already fulfilled in Christ 2,000 years ago.


Not to even mention...


The false Jews you protect are Ashkenazi impostors
White Russians, white Khazars, white Slavs and other Eastern Europeans
pale-skinned, descendants of a warlord king named Bulan,
who forcibly converted his entire empire to Judaism in the 8th century at the tip of a spear.

These people were nowhere near the Holy Land.
Their ancestors were not under Moses.
They never saw Sinai.
They never heard the prophets.
They were worshiping pagan idols in the Caucasus mountains while Christ was being crucified.

And yet today — through a millennia of lies,
Rothschild blood-money,
U.N. tanks,
Scofield Bible delusion (since 1909),
and Talmudic manipulation
they march around the globe declaring:

“We are God’s chosen.”

Are you out of your mind?

They are not ethnic Jews.
They are not Biblical Israelites.
They have zero genealogical link to Abraham, Moses, or David.
They are Khazarian converts
spiritual squatters in stolen robes.

They are the FALSE JEWS of Revelations..
They don't follow Christ so according to Paul, they're not Jews..
They didn't convert to Judaism until 740AD so obviously they're NOT "ethnic, Biblical Jews" either.

Wake up.

Netanyahu, Jerry Seinfeld, Barbra Streisand, and Rob “Meathead” Reiner are about as related to King David and Abraham
as Mao Zedong is to the twelve tribes of Israel.

They don’t carry the faith of Abraham.
They don’t follow the Son of David.
And they don’t belong to the covenant cut by Christ’s blood.

So stop calling them “God’s chosen”
when they reject the very God who chose.

There’s ignorance.
There’s confusion.
There’s cult-level brainwashing.
And then...
There’s Scofield Dispensationalism —
the theological black hole where truth goes to die.

Beyond lost doesn't even begin to explain them..