So you never sin?The Christian's “forgiveness” is “once for all,” meaning that God’s forgiveness needs applied only “once” (Heb 10:10, 14), and which is never withdrawn, so it is continually unending and needs not to forgive over and over (unlike the Popish mass supports Christ sacrificing again during communion) but just once, which is eternal.
Christians always “please” God (Phl 2:13) because He “works” this in them to maintain obedience, which has no relation concerning His forgiveness because this is related only to His Son’s Cross work. This doesn’t mean sinlessness, but a “hatred” (Rom 7:15) and (“unwilling” desire to ever sin (verse 16).
This means Christians are never without God’s “forgiveness,” and this is what Christ’s sacrifice primarily secured for the saints. They may often not feel forgiven but He is “faithful and just to forgive us our sins,” which among many other reasons God loves the saint; of course this is considering the “confession” of those who love God and are secured by His Holy Spirit using the Life of Jesus in them (Col 3:4).
The “confession of our sin” is what the Christian performs and is repetitious, but not God’s forgiveness. The believer never has to ask for forgiveness, which is always present, but rather thank God for it! Confession just means “to admit,” thus, just tell God you have sinned and thank Him for His ever-present forgiveness!
Blessed be God above all!
MJS daily devotional for April 13
“For in Him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily” (Col. 2:9).
“Reckoning” on the work of the Cross is the only relief from the carnal burden of self. Then comes the spiritual burden of Christ—to be more like Him. “Reckoning” is the answer there, too. “Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through [in] Jesus Christ our Lord” (Rom. 6.11). If we seek to escape the death, we will not experience the life.
“We are not to try to crucify self, but we are to agree (reckon) with what God has said and done. In the lives of most believers self has usurped the place belonging to the Lord Jesus Christ. It is a criminal worthy of death, but the trouble is that they do not realize that this self-life has been crucified on the Cross. They do not believe the facts of the Word, and sin therefore reigns in their lives; they live in bondage to sin, praying for deliverance, praying that they may die to sin, but refusing to believe what God says He has already done.” -L.L.L.
“The constant tendency is to try to improve the manner of one’s life here below by adopting Christian principles, whereas you will never arrive at it unless you start from ‘crucified with Christ.’ Then it is not thinking of what I am, but of what He is, ‘Christ liveth in me.’“ - James Butler Stoney (1814-97)
“Once For All”
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Hi, but don't know what made you asked that question. Yes, all sin, but Christians sins are not intentional, i.e. not "willful" (Heb 10:26). Thanks for your reply and God bless!
Sin requires the consent of the will. So a married Christian man who looks at another woman with lust in his heart hasn't sinned if he didn't intend to look at her lustfully?
That's a interesting point! We know lusting after another women is sin, and a sin like this would involve willfulness.
Dan Clarkston
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You're kidding yourself if you think never once in history did a man lust after a woman after having been born again.
It's called being a backslider, maybe you've heard of it.
Rockerduck
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Dan Clarkston
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Yes and some will claim they were never saved to begin with which is not true.
The OSAS peoples always steer people astray with their false OSAS doctrine
Rockerduck
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Scripture cannot contradict scripture. The bible is the inspired Word of God and God cannot contradict Himself.
John 10:28-29 -And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.
Contradict this verse, I'm ready.
Dan Clarkston
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PS95
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I'm not sure of the point you are trying to make. In my experience a Christian is convicted pretty quickly by the Holy Spirit when he leans towards sinning and there is always a way out through the Spirit!
If he doesn't yield to he Spirit's urgings he is likely a very young Christian who is still learning to yield. We shouldn't be grieving the Spirit but at times we do.
Believers should still confess sins to one another. See James below- We know there is forgiveness. That doesn't make the sin less wrong. When we do sin there is a very heavy heart. We USED to love our sins. It's very different now! We aren't perfect but we wear Christ's righteousness. We are growing. Our sins now are sins that we never even would have noticed before. A brief mean thought, an arrogant look, a lack of contentment, etc. We don't desire to sin. There is a difference between the old man living in sins happily, and a growing Christian who know sees his sinfulness who is convicted by the Spirit, but not condemned! I don't know if you understand this yet. A Christian who says they never sin, or that they have no need to confess sins anymore is being misled IMO. Yet, we trust in His grace!
We know that we all put the Lord on that cross. We all know what He did for us. Each time we sin now we look to that cross. No true believer takes advantage of the love of Jesus' cross and goes out to sin purposefully because he knows there is forgiveness. That is willful sinning. I hope you can see the distinction. If someone does go around and sin willfully just to try to take advantage of grace I would question his mental state, spiritual state.. everything..! That would be a person I would avoid after warning .
James 5
Is anyone among you suffering? Then he must pray. Is anyone cheerful? He is to sing praises. 14 Is anyone among you sick? Then he must call for the elders of the church and they are to pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; 15 and the prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up, and if he has committed sins, they will be forgiven him.
16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much. 17 Elijah was a man with a nature like ours, and he prayed earnestly that it would not rain, and it did not rain on the earth for three years and six months. 18 Then he prayed again, and the sky poured rain and the earth produced its fruit.
19 My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.
I'm not sure about people who say we can't ever sin or that there is no need to confess sins. I think it's a good practice to confess sins daily in prayer even if we don't know of any in particular. Someone here will condemn me saying I lack faith or what if I missed a sin lol please... It's humility- and humility keeps me in praise and the life long daily need and gratefulness of my Saviors' grace.
Rockerduck
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I believe the whole council of God. You contradict yourself.
Dan Clarkston
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The point is, when someone knows what they are thinking about doing is evil and is in opposition to the Lord... and they decide to go ahead and do it anyway, they are willingly turning away from the Lord because they have decided that their sin is more important to them then the Lord is so they have decided to not longer abide in Christ and as such as no longer Christians
Hebrews 10:29
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
This is speaking about those that have been born again
Rockerduck
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That is the fear of God. Without that fear you are not saved, you are of the world. You should be scared to rebel against God. For rebellion is the same sin as witchcraft. 1 Sam. 15:23
PS95
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Walking in the flesh in death... R0 8
5For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. 10If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. 11But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
12So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh— 13for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, “Abba! Father!” 16The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, 17and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him.
Dan Clarkston
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And yet, Hebrews 10:29 is in fact speaking to those that have been born again showing that it's possible forr one to be born again and then turn back to sin.
In fact, you two have willingly committed sin since having become born again.
If you say you have never sinned willingly after getting saved, you just lied and that's a sin!
PS95
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Aren't you reminded by the Spirit when you are about to sin so you catch yourself and thank God for helping you?-- or just after you do sin? So again, do you thank Him for showing you your sin and request forgiveness in Jesus' name? OR Do you PURPOSEFULLY walk in a sinful life? Or do you mess up- not as before in wanton disregard, but without wanting to and then feel remorse ask ask forgiveness in confidence of His love? --THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. It's about the heart. I believe that is the point that is being made.
Sin no longer rules over us as master.
I am not saying that there is no need to confess sins. Others here seem disagree obviously. I don't understand that.
So you want me to tell you that I walk in sins on purpose (willfully) thinking I am forgiven, so why not? - and I am telling you- no.. I have never thought that, nor do the scriptures teach that.
Dan Clarkston
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But you do admit that after having been born again... you have committed at least a few sins where you knew in advance that what you were thinking about doing was sinful, and then you decided to go ahead and do it anyway?
Every one has done a few sins after having been born again where they knew before hand it was wrong and yet they decided to do it anyway.
Personally I did that back when I was a baby Christian numerous times and yet each time I felt really bad and confessed and forsook the sin and made no plans to do it again.
Those claiming they have never once in the past did willful sin at least a few time are lying about it.
mailmandan
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If the word 'sanctified' in Hebrews 10:29 is used to describe saved people who lost their salvation, then we have a contradiction because the writer of Hebrews in verse 10 said "sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all" (Hebrews 10:10) and in verse 14, we read, "perfected for all time those who are sanctified." (Hebrews 10:14) So in Hebrews 10:10, we clearly read - WE have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ ONCE FOR ALL. In Hebrews 10:14, we read - For by one offering He has PERFECTED FOR ALL TIME those who are SANCTIFIED. To go from sanctified back to un-sanctified would be in contradiction here. Context is important.
The reference to "the blood of the covenant that sanctified him" in verse 29 "on the surface" appears to be referring to a Christian, but this overlooks the fact that the word translated "sanctified" (which is the verb form of the adjective "holy") which means "set apart," and doesn't always necessarily refer to salvation.
Strong's Concordance
hagiazó: to make holy, consecrate, sanctify
Original Word: ἁγιάζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: hagiazó
Phonetic Spelling: (hag-ee-ad'-zo)
Definition: to make holy, consecrate, sanctify
Usage: I make holy, treat as holy, set apart as holy, sanctify, hallow, purify.
Strong's Greek: 37. ἁγιάζω (hagiazó) -- To sanctify, to make holy, to consecrate, to set apart
*In 1 Corinthians 7:14, Paul uses it to specifically refer to non-Christians who are "sanctified" or "set apart" by their believing spouse (and by this Paul does not mean that they are saved). A non-Christian can be "set apart" from other non-Christians without experiencing salvation as Paul explained. So, the word "sanctified" means to be "set apart." If the word "sanctified" simply meant saved, then you would have to say that the seventh day was saved (Genesis 2:3), the tabernacle was saved (Exodus 29:43), Moses saved the people after coming down off the mountain (Exodus 19:14), the priests and the Levites saved themselves (1 Chronicles 15:14), the Father saved the Son (John 10:36), the Son saved Himself (John 17:19) and many other things that do not line up with scripture.
In verse 39, the writer of Hebrews sets up the CONTRAST that makes it clear to me that he was referring to those who were not saved: But WE are not of those who draw back to perdition, but OF THOSE who believe to the saving of the soul. Again, those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul and those who believe to the saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition.
So, after considering the CONTEXT, it seems most likely that "he was sanctified" should be understood in the sense of someone who had been "set apart" or identified as a professing believer in the Hebrew Christian community of believers, but later renounces his identification with other believers, by rejecting the "knowledge of the truth" that he had received and trampling underfoot the work and the person of Christ himself. This gives evidence that his identification with the Hebrew Christian community of believers was only superficial and that he was not a genuine believer.
*Hermeneutics. Rightly dividing the word of truth. (2 Timothy 2:15)
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