In post 318 you said "That was why I stated that all of scripture is important..."
I responded in kind in post 319.
Now you've switched to "believe", so I presume that you agree with post 319.
Thanks for the confirmation.
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I responded in kind in post 319.
Now you've switched to "believe", so I presume that you agree with post 319.
Thanks for the confirmation.
Please note that in the Luke 8:13 verse, the seeds that had initially sprouted, had become "Sons of God," for a season, but when testing came, i.e. tribulation, that came after the Bottomless Pit was unlocked, and the Kings of the Earth, the Beasts of Daniel 7:1-12, the Little Horn and Satan are released during the little while period before they are captured and dispatched into the Lake of Fire, they fell away.
You have only confirmed your lack of understanding.
Only those Saint who have sunk their roots into God's fertile fields will be Blessed By Israel.
We can all believe that Jesus is the Son of God, but if we do not draw our nourishment from God by taking root in God's fertile soil/field, we will not be judged to be righteous and receive our part in the inheritance of the whole earth from God.
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Luke 8 is the parable of sower and seed, and was already reality when Jesus shared it. It has nothing to do with your futurized fantasies.
Antichrist Israel will not be blessing anyone. 1 John 2:22-23; Matthew 23:33; 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16
I do not see any reference to "important" in your post. Why can't you stay on topic?
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Yes, the Parable of the Sower and the seed he spread was already a reality when Jesus shared it and the journey of the Sower over time will span 4000 years from the time that God filled Solomon's Temple until the time of the final judgement. Jesus told the reality of the "salvation" at four locations along the Sower's journey from when He left His Father's House until the final judgement. The parable also tells the story of the ground condition of the people who receive the seed and what happens to them. My futurized fantasies as you call them are applicable for the past, present and the future and whether or not the seed that was planted is able to die to self and realise a full head of seed for the final harvest.
Yes, if we believe on the foundational truth that "Jesus is the Son of God," and put that belief into an action plan of taking root in God's fertile soil of salvation, then we are nothing more than an empty jar without any growth into the renewed personhood that God intends all the seed that He has, is and will scatter within the sea of humanity will come in the fulness of their right relationship with God.
1 John 2:18-27: - Deceptions of the Last Hour
18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things. 21 I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
Let Truth Abide in You
24 Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that He has promised us — eternal life.
26 These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you. 27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.
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Matthew 23:29-36: - 29 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous, 30 and say, 'If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.'
31 "Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers' guilt. 33 Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell? 34 Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city, 35 that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.
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1 Thessalonians 2:13-16: - 13 For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcomed it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which also effectively works in you who believe. 14 For you, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God which are in Judea in Christ Jesus. For you also suffered the same things from your own countrymen, just as they did from the Judeans, 15 who killed both the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they do not please God and are contrary to all men, 16 forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they may be saved, so as always to fill up the measure of their sins; but wrath has come upon them to the uttermost.
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It seems that I am not meeting your agenda for this thread.
Please continue to cheery pick the scriptural verse that you believe are only applicable to you.
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John 1:12 is applicable only to those who receive Christ.
That includes me.
How about you?
Matthew 23
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Explain how that Scripture is applicable to everybody.
Begin with yourself.
Spiritual Israelite
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Was his question too difficult for you? You said all scripture is applicable to everybody. Does that include John 1:12 and Matthew 23:33? Is Matthew 23:33 applicable to you?
Many years ago, someone thought that I was Jewish because I signed off my posts with "Shalom" when commenting on a church's weekly blog. An "older" gentleman on that forum thought that I needed to say John 3:16 to "save" me because he thought that I was a Jew and therefore would not have a Christian background. When I eventually replied to his persistent demands that I should speak out the John 3:16 verse, I replied with a different verse that was basically stating the same thing as John 3:16 but the verse I had chosen did not satisfy this "older" gentleman.
With respect to the demands of @covenantee that I agree with his understanding of how I can be "saved," I draw the line as I can believe that Jesus is the Son of God as is a condition of John 1:12 and yet still remain in an unsaved state of being.
With respect to the demands of @covenantee that I agree with his understanding of how I can be "saved," I draw the line as I can believe that Jesus is the Son of God as is a condition of John 1:12 and yet still remain in an unsaved state of being.
The context of John 1:12 is found in this passage: -
John 1:10-13: - 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Notice the highlighted "He gave the right to become children of God." In other words, we can believe in Jesus' name, but it is still up to us to choose whether or not we want to become children of God.
As such John 1:12 is applicable for everybody, not just only to those who receive Christ as Covenantee claims.
Also, Matthew 23:33 is applicable to you and Covenantee, me and everybody else as well.
So, you joining Covenantee's bandwagon, does that mean that you are also being a troll?
By posting as you have, you have removed all doubt. You are being a troll as well as a stooge.
Typical cultism.
Provide any Scriptural example of anyone who received Christ but refused to become a child of God.
In typical cultic fashion, you ignore verse 13 which declares that their birth is "not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."
Your claim is a risible impossibility, except for those who have never genuinely received Christ.
Which are you?
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Typical cultism.
Provide any Scriptural example of anyone who received Christ but refused to become a child of God.
In typical cultic fashion, you ignore verse 13 which declares that their birth is "not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."
I do not belong to any particular cult like some of this forum.
You are trying to state something which I did not. You are missing the implication that I pointed too. We can renew our mind but unless we put on the renewed personhood that God intended us to become, we are not children of God. We can have all of the head knowledge, but unless we put into Practice God's requirements as to how we should act and be, then we are not Children of God.
Oh well, let us see how you will respond, troll.
So you're claiming that an individual who receives Christ does not immediately become a child of God, but instead must "put into practice God's requirements" to earn his childhood.
For how long must he "put into practice God's requirements" to earn his childhood?
You're espousing quintessential salvation by works, contrary to Ephesians 2:8-9.
Ephesians 2
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
So you're claiming that an individual who receives Christ does not immediately become a child of God, but instead must "put into practice God's requirements" to earn his childhood.
For how long must he "put into practice God's requirements" to earn his childhood?
You're espousing quintessential salvation by works, contrary to Ephesians 2:8-9.
Ephesians 2
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Just because you have a right does not mean that you exercise that right. This is the flaw in your logic.
Answer the question.
For how long must he "put into practice God's requirements" to earn his salvation by works?
Romans 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Answer the question.
Are those who receive Christ led by the Spirit of God, and are thus the sons of God?
1 John 3
1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Answer the question.
Are those who receive Christ those on whom the Father bestows His Love, and are thus the sons of God?
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Spiritual Israelite
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What you call "being a troll" is just a case of calling out your nonsense. No, Matthew 23:33 is not applicable to us believers because it's talking about those who are vipers and hypocrites who are heading to hell in their current condition. Stop saying ridiculous things and then we won't have to call you out on your nonsense anymore. Very simple.
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