God's Hatred

[Sister-n-Christ]

If that's true then it's literally impossible for anybody to get saved.

A good example of why the Lord does not anoint women to teach!

You ignored where the teaching came from.John 9:31.

So your lame effort to insult women,sympathies to your mother, actually falls on Jesus.

 

[Dash RipRock]

You ignored where the teaching came from.John 9:31.

You are the one saying God cannot hear the prayer of sinners.

If that were actually true, then He cannot hear a sinner who is asking for forgiveness and to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior.

You might want to start believing all the Lord says instead of just bits and pieces.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

You are the one saying God cannot hear the prayer of sinners.

God said he does not hear the prayer of sinners.

I'm pretty sure your bent to insult God by claiming his scripture originates from the errant consciousness of mortals is not only patent blasphemy but is also against the rules of any Christian community forum.

If that were actually true, then He cannot hear a sinner who is asking for forgiveness and to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior.

You might want to start believing all the Lord says instead of just bits and pieces.

John 9:31.

 

[Triumph1300]

God said he does not hear the prayer of sinners.

He does hear it, but does not answer.
He hears and knows everything.

Btw,
He also does not answer many prayers from Christians.
What he DOES answer is a prayer of sincere repentance and forgiveness.

 

[Dash RipRock]

God said he does not hear the prayer of sinners.

He does hear it, but does not answer.

OK so it's not possible for anybody to call upon the Lord to get saved.

You are taking this out of context to claim a sinner trying to get saved cannot get saved because God refuses to hear the prayers of sinners.

If what you are saying out of context is true, then nobody can get born again and we're all going to hell.


John 9:31 - Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

Here's where you went wrong and got in to the ditch you are apparently in:

You forgot to read the rest of verse 31 - but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

It IS actually God's will for sinners to turn from their sin, worship the Lord, and do the Lord's will by getting born again.

Ya gotta read ALL of what the Lord says as reading just little parts here and there leads to false doctrine!

Glad we got that all cleared up and was able to get you back on track!

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

OK so it's not possible for anybody to call upon the Lord to get saved.

You are taking this out of context to claim a sinner trying to get saved cannot get saved because God refuses to hear the prayers of sinners.

If what you are saying out of context is true, then nobody can get born again and we're all going to hell.


John 9:31 - Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

Here's where you went wrong and got in to the ditch you are apparently in:

You forgot to read the rest of verse 31 - but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

It IS actually God's will for sinners to turn from their sin, worship the Lord, and do the Lord's will by getting born again.

Ya gotta read ALL of what the Lord says as reading just little parts here and there leads to false doctrine!

Your error is connection.

God does not hear the prayer of sinners.

"but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth."

Worshippers of God

Are not the sinners whose prayers God does not hear.

 

[Dash RipRock]

Your error is connection.

God does not hear the prayer of sinners.

"but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth."

Worshippers of God

Are not the sinners whose prayers God does not hear.

I see, so your belief is you yourself were unable to get born again because you were a sinner praying to the Lord for salvation and since you were a sinner He refused to hear you.

Too bad to hear of your misfortune.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

I see, so your belief is you yourself were unable to get born again because you were a sinner praying to the Lord for salvation and since you were a sinner He refused to hear you.

Too bad to hear of your misfortune.

How unfortunate mockers like yourself are allowed to persist.

 

[Dash RipRock]

How unfortunate mockers like yourself are allowed to persist.

How unfortunate that some folks don't accept all the Jesus says!

I'd like to hear how you think a SINNER is able to come to the Lord and get born again if the second part of John 9:31 is to be ignored.

Maybe your husband can do a bible study with you and help you understand that a SINNER actually can repent of their sins and call upon the Name of the Lord to get born again and the Lord will actually hear them because they are doing God's will.

 

[Triumph1300]

You are taking this out of context to claim a sinner trying to get saved cannot get saved because God refuses to hear the prayers of sinners.

Nobody here said such a thing.
You need to read everything a person posts, and not pick it apart over one line out of context.

 

[Dash RipRock]

Nobody here said such a thing

We then if God will never ever hear the prayer of a SINNER, how would a SINNER be able to get saved?

 

[Triumph1300]

We then if God will never ever hear the prayer of a SINNER, how would a SINNER be able to get saved?

God knows when a person is sincere and has his heart in the right place.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

We then if God will never ever hear the prayer of a SINNER, how would a SINNER be able to get saved?

Read the Bible. It is very clear in that answer.

 

[Dash RipRock]

God knows when a person is sincere and has his heart in the right place.

Yes but everyone is a SINNER before they got born again and the claim is God never ever hears the prayer of a SINNER.

The point being, the second half of John 9:31 was being ignored.

When someone is sincere and repent of their sin asking to be born again - that's when the second half of John 9:31 kicks in and the Lord actually does hear the prayer of a SINNER as they quit being a SINNER.

Then we have people going around saying Christians are all still SINNERS and if that's true no need to bother praying because as you know, God does not hear the prayer of SINNERS

 

[quietthinker]

I'm not sure why you mentioned Romans 5:6-8 or Ephesians 2:4-5 as neither of these are relevant in any way. Neither of these can be used to support this false heretic doctrine, that God loves a sinner.

Please don't abuse Gods Word, in a vein attempt to make it support your false narrative. You will not find a single verse in the bible, to support this nonsense. If God loved sinners and evil doers, then He would be evil.

Ephesians 2:4-5 is speaking about "Gods great love for us", in the present tense, meaning those who have already been saved and added to the Church. Nowhere does it ever say that God loved anyone, before they were regenerated and made a new creature in Christ.

I guess it's just as Jesus said, 'if they don't believe Moses and the Prophets, they wont believe even if one rose from the dead!

I have never found anything in the bible to support the view that God loved someone before He regenerated them and made them a new creature.
I can't imagine how or why God would love an evil doer, what is it about an evil doer that makes you think that God can love him. My understanding is that unconverted people are an abomination in His sight, so they can't even approach God without being destroyed.

God doesn't tolerate a single speck of anything sinful or unclean in His presence. The only way anyone can be accptable and loved by God, is if they are hid in Christ. So that way God doesn't even see us, He sees His Son and loves Him and we receive His love by default because we are in His Son.

We don't know who God chose to save before He created the world, but we know that every single one of them will be saved and added to the "Church" or "Body of Christ" or "Bride of Christ" or "Elect of God" these are all one and the same.

Superimposing your limitations onto God as if your imagination is greater than God's has the one that presents as an angel of light at its core.

 

[Dash RipRock]

I have never found anything in the bible to support the view that God loved someone before He regenerated them and made them a new creature.

Here's a couple of verses then that you have never seen:

Jon 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life

Romans 5:6 - For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

 

[Scott Downey]

I should have mentioned that the bible does use the word "hate" in different context. So it has man different applications.

Matt 6:24 “No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.

As we see in the above verse, Jesus didn't use the word hate in the same context as He did in Luke 14:26

The world (unbelievers) hates us because we don't agree with anything they believe or do, just as they have everything we believe and do. There are only two types of people in the world, Gods Children and the Devils Children and these are opposed to each other, in every way we can't have any fellowship with them.

Just to clarify fellowship doesn't mean we don't preach the gospel to them or speak with them, it just means we don't agree with them. They have it in their heart to murder us, and they would if they could get away with it. As you say the governments of the world hate us as well, because we don't agree with them.

The other reason the world might hate us is we tell them they need to repent, their works are evil, believe in Christ or they will be going to hellfire.
Another reason is we are not like them, the others, as we are not of the world.

John 7:7
The world cannot hate you, but it hates Me because I testify of it that its works are evil.

John 15:18
“If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you.

John 15:19
If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.

John 15:23
He who hates Me hates My Father also.

John 15:24
If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would have no sin; but now they have seen and also hated both Me and My Father.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Wow. Most Christians I know realized that God has always loved them. The message we given people ( notbknowing which are His sheep) is tha God loves them. When I was saved, it was a realization that God has always loved me, protected me and been there for me. He formed me in my mother's womb and even prior to that, I was His sheep - in His mind and plan.
Jesus claimed the Father sends sheep to Him ( before they are saved) and they hear his voice and are drawn to Him.
Besides that, it can be argued that God loves even the ungodly for a time and gives them ample opportunity to repent, but then, up to a certain point, as stated in Romans 1, He let's them go, gives them over to their debased and wicked life and obviously stops loving them. Rain falls on the ungodly and they experience provisions, grace, good things for a time. All good things come from God; and providing life itself is a form of love. "In Him all things consist" ( are held together by His power).
"because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. > (HIS POWER, CREATION AND LOVE) 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened." Romans 1:19-21


“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:8

God never said He loved anyone before they were added to the body of Christ. I can see why people take verses like Romans 1:19-21 out of their intended context. It sounds like the verse is saying that God loved a sinner before He saved him, but this is not what it is saying at all.

Paul is simply speaking in the present tense, saying "God commendeth His love" towards us is not the same as saying He loved us as sinners. God is omniscient, so He can see the finished product in real time before it is perfected, that's the sense that He loves the sinner in but there is nothing to love about a filthy rags sinner.

Every single one of those people God chose to save, before He created the world shall be saved. Not a single one will be lost. So God sees the whole of time from the beginning to the end as if it had already come to pass, so He is not on our level where we can get our minds around what He is doing and why He is doing it.

When we read about God giving people ample opportunity to repent, and loving the evil doer, it may seem like God loves the evil doer, but then we read passages where we find God fattening up the evil doer with every good thing for the slaughter. At the same time we see God, chastening His children and allowing the evil doers to persecute and kill His children.

Have you ever wondered why Gods prophets and Apostles and born again believers have always been killed and hated by the prosperous unbelievers.

 

[Christian Soldier]

I guess it's just as Jesus said, 'if they don't believe Moses and the Prophets, they wont believe even if one rose from the dead!

Superimposing your limitations onto God as if your imagination is greater than God's has the one that presents as an angel of light at its core.

You are the one who is presuming that God will act in accordance with your rules and expectations. I wouldn't dare make foolish assumptions as you have about "Gods imagination".

You think that God can change His mind and wink at sin, well I'm here to tell you that it's not possible for God to change anything about Himself. He has always been the same in eternity past and He will continue to remain exactly the same as He ever has been for all eternity.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Here's a couple of verses then that you have never seen:

Jon 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life

Romans 5:6 - For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

Both of your theories have gaping holes in them.

If God loved everyone in the world, why did he kill billions of men, women, children and unborn babies in their mothers womb, with the flood if He loved them. And why did He rain down fire from the sky to wipe out entire cities, if He loved them.

You make God sound like a sick psychopath, by claiming that He casts those He loves to burn forever in the lake of fire. Well I'm here to remind you that the true God is not the monster you make Him out to be. He would never torment His children in fire forever. That sounds more like what the Devil would do.